SSBKK Goku runs a Gauntlet

1 Gotei 13 + Ichibei + Aizen

2 EOS Naruto DMS Kakashi Eos Sakuke Peak Madara

3 EOS Toriko and Midora

4 Jin O Mori and 666 Satan

5 Darsh ( Bastard )

6 Hades and God Cloth Seiya

7 Sinbad and Ugo

8 White Wings LN Accel

9 creator Nanashi

10 Yato ( Dies irae )

Bloodlusted

Stops at 5

Stops at 0

Goku clears

Probably stops at 5 due to hax

Stop at 5.

stops at 5

Clears.

@chad_douglas:

No he doesn't

He stops at Darsh

What this version of goku can do ?

It's basically the strongest version of Goku outside of ultra instinct. With this form he and royal blue Vegeta were able to put pressure on Jiren until their energies were running out. This is also the form he used to match Hit in their first fight in the anime. Goku burned through his energy then gave up despite matching Hit's time stop and raw power.

@chasekilleen: Yes he clears.

Bump

@chad_douglas: legit wanna know how you think Goku will clear ?

@huko: He is infinitely multiversal in power because this is his most powerful version from Xenoverse. Even without that I can still see him clearly with multi-universal potency.

No idea about most of these, but he hard stops at 8

If he somehow reaches round 10 (something I doubt) he gets hardstomped

@chad_douglas: That shit is nowhere near enough to compare to Yato, who just negates change and just spends the rest of eternity chilling while Goku's frozen form sits there

@mrballins: Lmfao Goku fought and kept up with Jiren who transcends time itself. He stomps.

@chad_douglas: Lol, no

Jiren broke out of Hit's timeskip which has very specific mechanics, Yato meanwhile controls the concept of change, even if Goku had resistance to timestop (he does not) he would get shitstomped here since it does not apply on change manip

Also, infinite multiversal is way below Hadou Gods any way you cut it, so he would get stomped in AP as well

@mrballins: Yes he does. Goku is above time. Jiren didn’t break out of Hit’s time skip. He caged him in the flow of time itself which resulted in a complete disaster because Jiren is above the concept of time itself. Listen to what came out of Vados’ mouth lmfao. She said he transcends time itself, not just broke out of the timeskip which was never used to cage him in the first place. He doesn’t get stomped by any of them. Change can’t occur without time or duration but Goku is above that so Goku stomps.

@chad_douglas: ...This is some crazy wank

First off, change can 100% occur without time, if it could not then your characters that are beyond time (Which is, once again, wank and taking stuff out of context) would not be able to harm one another, since harm is change. Thinking is also change, literary any action falls under change, if your characters can still take actions they are a subject of change, time itself is a part of the Archetypical concept of change

Ren negates that very fundamental, timeless concept, both for his enemies (he has affected the Throne which is an object woth absolutely no time, as well as other Hadou Gods who are beyond time as well) and for himself, negating any negative change from occuring to him

>Change can’t occur without time or duration but Goku is above that so Goku stomps.

Even if we assumed that Ren's hax will not work here (it 100% will work), he still gets stomped by the massive AP difference and the fact that Ren is omnipresent

People still falling for Chad's bait smh.

@takenstew22: Or you no-name verses fantards are too ignorant to accept the truth?

Smh

I repeat once again,does not get past 5.Debating anything after that is just redundant.

@mrballins: This isn’t lmfao. It is the truth.

Yes it can’t. Lol how does your silly example prove change can occur without time? No. If the character that is beyond time imposes it on another, the consequences should still remain on them because if they aren’t abive time they should still be bound to changes. Yes, and how do you think without time? How can thoughts occur without time? The only way that can happen is for you to be like Goku. Goku is beyond that concept. Lol no, time is a duration by which anything, change itself included, can take effects. Without duration for any possibility to appear in the first place, there can’t be change.

That is the real fan wank and you should be negatively concerned about it if you aren’t a hypocrite. Goku stomps all of that.

Doesn’t matter. Goku fought Jiren who is more powerful than an omnipresent being, Zamasu.

@chad_douglas: >No. If the character that is beyond time imposes it on another, the consequences should still remain on them because if they aren’t abive time they should still be bound to changes.

This is not how Archetypical concepts like change work tho, time itself is an extension of change. Goku has never even faced anything conceptual in nature in the first place, so this is straight up wank here

>Without duration for any possibility to appear in the first place, there can’t be change.

In that case Goku is literary incapable of taking damage, which is definitely not the case considering that he takes damage from a lot of things. No one in DBS is beyond change, plain and simple

>Doesn’t matter. Goku fought Jiren who is more powerful than an omnipresent being, Zamasu.

False equivalence, Jiren still needs to move, even if he has more raw power than Zamasu he is not omnipresent in any way

Also, love how you ignored the AP advantage part

@mrballins: Lol then what does it have to do with this?

1. archetypical - representing or constituting an original type after which other similar things are patterned; "archetypal patterns"; "she was the prototypal student activist" archetypal, prototypal, prototypic, prototypical.
It literally means ”initiating“. To conclude this, it needs duration to happen. Duration isn’t a sub set of of this wanked concept of yours which has nothing to do with our battle unless you want to claim your cosmology operates differently, which would disallow you from using common logics to back it up further.

He doesn’t seem to experience any sever damage after the battle with Jiren but it is done by beings above the concept of change and time so for the sake of the plot it still has to work.

What is AP? Beerus already has enough power to wipe out that same omnipresent being. Jiren is more powerful than that by a large margin. Goku can beat any omnipresent.

@chad_douglas: >He doesn’t seem to experience any sever damage after the battle with Jiren but it is done by beings above the concept of change and time so for the sake of the plot it still has to work.

...Okay, this is straight up ignoring what happens inside of canon

>What is AP?

Attack potency, Ren is far above Goku in raw power. Even if you lowball the potency of DI, their multiverse is 24D at the very least, and all of these dimensions are a Real > Fictional gap in terms of power between them, so destroying the Shinza cosmology (something which all Hadou Gods can do casually) is way beyond anything demonstrated in DB.

> Goku can beat any omnipresent.

False, Goku loses against any omnipresent character in fiction (except Zamasu, because he is trash) because they have a billions haxes to put him down instantly

@chad_douglas: Oh yeah, also, Ren is capable of negating everything he considers supernatural because of Shirou, so Goku is losing all of his Ki powers by default

Above time but still can't breathe in space...

@mrballins: No, that is not how to ignore what is canon to Dragon franchise lmfao. It is not ignoring anything. In fact it is a 100% truth.

Can you prove that their multiverse is at least 24D? Dragon Ball multiverse is inspired ours so it should be at least infinite D. How one universe can contain multiple space time continuum in which size and views are completely different should make it Outerversal by default. Also why do dimensions matter?

Lol a cat weaker than him can do it with a flick of his fingers. You are just downplaying the capability of Goku because you hate Dragon Ball. Zamasu isn’t trash. He might clear this too.

@mrballins: Wow, and you don’t consider this a wank? No, he can’t because he hasn’t faced anyone like Goku is more powerful than anyone in his verse.

Hmmm , still see nothing why goku can past r1.

He cant put Aizen down , and if he not blitz , Ichibe makes a black ant out of him.

Tho , reatsu crush GG.

@chad_douglas: >Can you prove that their multiverse is at least 24D?

Sure, Yakou uses a 24D barrier, and Soujirou confirms that the relationship between higher and lower dimensions is the same as between reality and fiction

>Dragon Ball multiverse is inspired ours so it should be at least infinite D

This is assuming that our multiverse is infinite D, so I'd kindly ask you to prove this claim

>How one universe can contain multiple space time continuum in which size and views are completely different should make it Outerversal by default

Outerversal is not a term that carries any significance, and if you are following VSBW then any Hadou God spites DB by glancing in their general direction

>Also why do dimensions matter?

Qualitative size matters, if someone destroys a 24D multiverse where the difference between dimensions is R>F then he is infinitely above someone who destroys a multiverse where such a difference in dimensions does not exist, simply because the cosmology is bigger by magnitudes of infinity

>Lol a cat weaker than him can do it with a flick of his fingers

No, just no

>No, he can’t because he hasn’t faced anyone like Goku is more powerful than anyone in his verse.

Goku is genuine trash to any God character from Shinza, no matter how you spin it

Do your knees hurt by the way? From how much you have been sucking off DB this entire debate

@chad_douglas: > No, he can’t because he hasn’t faced anyone like Goku is more powerful than anyone in his verse.

To add a bit more to this part, but this is not a claim you can make since you know shit about Shinza. Unless you assume that DB is the strongest verse in fiction (which you probably do) you can never make this statement without being familiar with both works

@mrballins: What is 24D in your verse then? Does it correlate with out concept of dimensions?

David Hilbert theorized the concepts of infinite dimensions and that applies to real physics And mathematics so this should be the case for Dragon Ball as well.

What does that even refer to? I am using simple logic. If you can keep inhabitable time and space separate from each other in one universe how does that not qualify as outerversalism? It means you have the ability to ignore empty space, making you outerversal. Goku has the power to make that crumble easily.

I asked that question because I want to know if descriptions for the cosmos you are debating for do involve This law. Does it or not?

Well why not? He was about to do it.

Wow, what a perverted, abominable assumption. Are you a fag yourself that you have to assume I am like you and were able to describe the position I should be in in order to do what you fags do with each other? I am an Alpha male and 100% straight lmfao. Don’t ever dare compare me to you faggots.

>Wow, what a perverted, abominable assumption. Are you a fag yourself that you have to assume I am like you and were able to describe the position I should be in in order to do what you fags do with each other? I am an Alpha male and 100% straight lmfao. Don’t ever dare compare me to you faggots.

Okay, I am stopping this debate right here

I either got played and baited like a complete moron, or you are a genuine idiot. Whichever is the case, nothing productive will come out of this debate

In retrospect, should have listened to @takenstew22, you name should have also been an indicator

Stops at 5 without question.

5

he blinks 1-3

stops at 5

Gets blinked at 5

@mrballins:

We don't need Yato bro, Hadou God's are way overkill for something this fodder. Let alone the strongest recorded Hadou God.

Soujirou Mibu solos the entire Dragon Ball franchise with CERTAIN (INB4 Lmaolmaolmao roasts me of wank) things that falls under dualities (0/1)

"Kajiri Kamui - Kei Tsunushi Futsumitama no ken: Soujirou's Taikyoku, Gudou type, born from his desire I want to become a blade. Desire to become the strongest swordsman in the world. It's the ultimate destination Soujirou has long sought. But everything would eventually be cut, leaving nothing for the God of the Sword. Eventually, he found a person to love and cut forever, one that desires to receive the gleam of his sword, one in which he desires to reach her core. Ability of this law is "cutting all that exists". From the physical to the metaphysical, tangible or intangible, concrete or abstract, everything is severed. Lifespan, luck, law, soul, distance, time, infinite possibilies, fate, space, dimensions, spirits, All is slashed. While his Taikyoku may seem to be surpassed, it will still affect his targets. First the flesh is severed, then his law goes deeper down to the "core" of everything. Moreover, as this Law turns Soujirou into the "sword" himself, this ability works with anything, even chopsticks or even bare handed will cause a cutting phenomenon. Logic no longer applies to him, so idea that a single swing result in a single slash is nonexistent. There's no concept of swinging, so everthing is hit. Distance doesn't even matter as it is cut too, so his distance infinite."

@chad_douglas: I just sent scans stating that Soujirou can cut things that falls under duality and Taikyoku = Taiji (in Japanese) based off of Chinese philosophy, where Yin and Yang, which spawned everything from the other duality and also concepts and universe. Taiji is literally the start, the Root of everything.

It means ultimate being and infinite potential.

Jiren only broke overpowered Hit's strength and not time itself.

@chad_douglas: His most powerful version in Xenoverse is wish granting.

Not Kaioken.

@chasekilleen: MUI Goku is at least multiversal but very likely beyond that

@supervegito75:Dragon Ball Super Goku MUI is universal at best, he scales to Beerus when Beerus said that "he might be stronger than me"

But I agree that Xeno Goku is multiversal.

Jiren is only universal too. He's stronger than his own God of Destruction and not all 12 of them.

No MUI Goku is beyond multiversal. The whole universe shook just from the punch of ssg Goku clashing with Beerus. SSB is 50x SSG which means 50x stronger than a universal being. SSB Kaioken x10 is 500x stronger than SSG and SSB kaioken x20 is 1000x stronger than SSG meaning a thousand times stronger than a universal being. SSB Kaoiken x20 Blue Goku is absolutely no match against Jiren who is immeasurably stronger than that version of Goku. UI Goku on the other hand fought evenly with Jiren, that means UI Goku is Immeasurably stronger than his SSB k20 form. MUI Goku is immeasurably stronger than Jiren as Jiren in his full power (not limit breaker) got rekt by MUI Goku who was not even trying (meaning he is beyound multiversal). Multiverse (MUI Goku's minimum power level) is immeasuarably larger than a universe (SSG Goku's power level).

@supervegito75: Get me one person from Dragon Ball super that has destroyed a single universe besides the Omni King?

Stops 5 and get murderstomps by 6.