SSB Kaioken x20 Goku vs Mori Jin

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Super Hero Goku

Current Mori

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Mori ain't on the level of DBS.

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Mori ain't on the level of DBS yet.

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@purpledeadragon: If he get there good for him. Even at battle of gods they are universal + level.

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Goku farts on Mori sadly

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Did Mori get a super amp? SSB Goku is incomprehensibly superior to any form of Mori I'm familiar with.

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Mori is universal in base now. So with high enough acupuncture mori definitely wins. But he’s gonna die from it after the match, so it’s a draw I guess.

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@cdavis6149: Goku has been universal since bog and is immensely stronger now so mori gets folded

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#17  Edited By cdavis6149

@ghostgod: we don’t know for sure until the proper translation comes out, but as of right now, it DEFINITELY looks like mori is universal, which would put him at universal+ To a pretty crazy degree with acupuncture. Goku is definitely not 250,000x universal even if you put him at 13x universal at BoG (which he wasn’t. It was taking multiple clashes with beer us to threaten the universe). Hey maybe you’ll get your way and when the translation comes out, it turns out it that the attack fat mori used wasn’t really at the level of a Big Bang, but as of right now mori scales to only being a little bit weaker than BoG goku in pure power, and that’s without acupuncture.

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#18  Edited By KazMaz

Even downplaying the stat boost of SSB Kaioken x20 massively gets it to 400,000x base form lol

Base Goku is universal, especially by the anime Tournament of Power arc where he received an ungodly amount of zenkais to the point his fatigued SSB form could keep up with a Jiren showing a hint of his power, who casually blinked glared a SSB Kaioken x20 Spirit Bomb from Goku at the start of the tournament.

Not even close lmao

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#19  Edited By EstrellaDeLeon

Goku for a majority, for now.

Don't see why time-stop+the other Mori ganging on him couldn't overwhelm him tbh, especially with Weak Force tier attacks.

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Don't see why time-stop+the other Mori ganging on him couldn't overwhelm him tbh, especially with Weak Force tier attacks.

Willing to believe this would work honestly..

Goku kicks Mori's head in.

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#21  Edited By EstrellaDeLeon

@nixtollo:

Agreed, Goku has no resistence to that, thus with superior speed scaling and feats, Mori should do the pictured Goku in.

Yeah, current Goku should be too much due to dumb DBS scaling.

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@kazmaz: you only get there by scaling base Goku post BoG to his first ssg form and then assuming that ssb gives the same multiplier as ssj1. Both of which are big assumptions. If we go by concrete multipliers than goku is 160,000x universal+. ssg would would be 400x+ for being above ssj3 but having no real multiplier. Times that by 20 because ssb doesn’t have a real multiplier so you have to hop right to kaio ken, then times 20 again because his ssb base eventually gets to where his old ssb kaio ken x20 was so 160,000x universal based off of just facts. This would also mean that even at his strongest mori couldn’t beat mui goku, because while that doesn’t have a real multiplier it’s obviously multiple times stronger than ssb Kaio ken.

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no reason to believe that Mori is even close to universal

it wouldn't matter even if he was due to DB universes being way bigger

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@cdavis6149: Nah I get there by downplaying the stat boost of SSG to SSJ3 despite the latter getting one shot by Beerus and the former keeping up with a Beerus exerting much more effort.

This isn’t even regarding the base form power of Goku lol, just the stat boost of SSJ Blue Kaioken x20.

Big assumptions?

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Why wouldn’t the Super Saiyan multiplier apply and multiple the Super Saiyan God one? And since when did it not have a real multiplier?

Are you implying he only adds 50x of his original base form power instead of multiplying the already multiplied power?

He goes from getting his punches blocked by one finger from Jiren

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Because of an additional 0.25x more power?

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Even if mori is universal now goku is above baseline universal. DB universe is over 3x bigger than ours

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#26  Edited By cdavis6149

@kazmaz: what? So pretty much the only thing we don’t agree on is ssb being x50 ssg. And by your logic ssb x20 should be 8,000,000x universal.

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@demongod_pablo: I think it’s like 9 or 13 times ours, but it was taking multiple clashes to between beeris and goku to threaten it so finding BoG goku’s exact scale is kinda foggy

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@monviez3 said:

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no reason to believe that Mori is even close to universal

it wouldn't matter even if he was due to DB universes being way bigger

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@cdavis6149: Sure lol

Nah, I said at a bare minimum it’s 400,000 don’t put words in my mouth please.

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@kazmaz: ah my bad. I forgot that you said 400,000 was a downplay.

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Funny how db fans use both the 2 mil model and current one to wank the universe to bigger than ours.

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Salt?

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#34  Edited By EstrellaDeLeon
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Salt?

Very much so! They clearly cannot get over the fact that GoH dwarfs DBZ in both anime and manga at this point, that's pretty sad.

Once again, DB fans prove why they can't be taken seriously.

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Goku caves mori head in with a punch. This is a stromp thread.

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This thread gives me flashbacks to the old days of sub-Star level Jiren and Toriko stomping Kefla. Good times.

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@cocacolaman: ssb x20 goku should actually really close with mori jin in power. You can get to 160,000x universal with concrete multipliers, but obviously he’s stronger than that because of boosts that don’t have a multiplier attached. Mori is universal in base so with acupuncture he should be 250,000x universal. So they should be pretty even.

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@ghostgod: dude I can’t take you seriously. Your like a real version of the cringe goku solos dragon ball fan. Like it’s people like you who actually make it hard to like dragon ball.

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Mori hands Yeoui to Goku and challenges him to lift it… Goku’s arms fall off. Or alternatively Mori accidentally destroys the planet and Goku dies.

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Anyways goku wins. Mori with acupuncture should be at his level if not a bit higher, but goku only has to last 10 minutes tops before mori drops dead from using that much power.

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Goku should be above Mori via scaling, it's too hard to gauge where mori is in power might be galaxy or universal who knows

Mori definitely has the edge in terms of stamina and endurance and damage soak, Goku's body is pretty frail in comparison.

But I'll say Goku for now via scaling and Beerus feat, but is highly subject to change depending on how the next few GOH chapters go.

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Even base Goku solos GOH

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Ssg goku in botg threatened the universe in his clash against beerus. This is a god stomp.

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Mori gets murdered by Son Goku.

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Not just Kaioken but SSV Goku who effortlessly solos the fodder verse

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Not just Kaioken but SSV Goku who effortlessly solos the fodder verse