Super Hero Goku
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@ghostgod: we don’t know for sure until the proper translation comes out, but as of right now, it DEFINITELY looks like mori is universal, which would put him at universal+ To a pretty crazy degree with acupuncture. Goku is definitely not 250,000x universal even if you put him at 13x universal at BoG (which he wasn’t. It was taking multiple clashes with beer us to threaten the universe). Hey maybe you’ll get your way and when the translation comes out, it turns out it that the attack fat mori used wasn’t really at the level of a Big Bang, but as of right now mori scales to only being a little bit weaker than BoG goku in pure power, and that’s without acupuncture.
Even downplaying the stat boost of SSB Kaioken x20 massively gets it to 400,000x base form lol
Base Goku is universal, especially by the anime Tournament of Power arc where he received an ungodly amount of zenkais to the point his fatigued SSB form could keep up with a Jiren showing a hint of his power, who casually blinked glared a SSB Kaioken x20 Spirit Bomb from Goku at the start of the tournament.
Not even close lmao
@kazmaz: you only get there by scaling base Goku post BoG to his first ssg form and then assuming that ssb gives the same multiplier as ssj1. Both of which are big assumptions. If we go by concrete multipliers than goku is 160,000x universal+. ssg would would be 400x+ for being above ssj3 but having no real multiplier. Times that by 20 because ssb doesn’t have a real multiplier so you have to hop right to kaio ken, then times 20 again because his ssb base eventually gets to where his old ssb kaio ken x20 was so 160,000x universal based off of just facts. This would also mean that even at his strongest mori couldn’t beat mui goku, because while that doesn’t have a real multiplier it’s obviously multiple times stronger than ssb Kaio ken.
@cdavis6149: Nah I get there by downplaying the stat boost of SSG to SSJ3 despite the latter getting one shot by Beerus and the former keeping up with a Beerus exerting much more effort.
This isn’t even regarding the base form power of Goku lol, just the stat boost of SSJ Blue Kaioken x20.
Why wouldn’t the Super Saiyan multiplier apply and multiple the Super Saiyan God one? And since when did it not have a real multiplier?
Are you implying he only adds 50x of his original base form power instead of multiplying the already multiplied power?
He goes from getting his punches blocked by one finger from Jiren
Because of an additional 0.25x more power?
@cocacolaman: ssb x20 goku should actually really close with mori jin in power. You can get to 160,000x universal with concrete multipliers, but obviously he’s stronger than that because of boosts that don’t have a multiplier attached. Mori is universal in base so with acupuncture he should be 250,000x universal. So they should be pretty even.
Goku should be above Mori via scaling, it's too hard to gauge where mori is in power might be galaxy or universal who knows
Mori definitely has the edge in terms of stamina and endurance and damage soak, Goku's body is pretty frail in comparison.
But I'll say Goku for now via scaling and Beerus feat, but is highly subject to change depending on how the next few GOH chapters go.
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