SSB Gogeta vs SSB Vegito

Both are bloodlusted with composite feats. Who wins ?

First off, spoilers. Second, we don't even know the full extent of Gogeta's feats.

STOP SPOILING THE DAMN MOVIE.

Come on we aren’t allowed to do this with anything else but now you guys think it’s okay with Dragon Ball? Lol.

Then don't click it..

@mainjp: Why on earth would you click on this thread if you didn’t want to be spoiled?!

Also, everyone and their mother knows Gogeta fights Broly in this movies. It’s pratically common knowledge at this point. Shueisha spoiled that ages ago in V jump and their action figures

@gxrevs06: I already know the spoilers, but you don’t put the spoilers in the thread title.

Believe it or not there are people who don’t know; just check the SSJB Gogeta vs. Pegasus Saiya thread where everyone is tagging the mods due to the spoiler title.

@godren: ”Then don’t click it”

Read the forum rules; “Don’t Spoil things” is literally a rule.

People are complaining in the other thread so it shouldn’t be okay here either.

Vegito easily, Potara fusion's just better.

@almighty: stupid post and stupid title, spoilers people how dont yall get it

@mainjp: For all they know it's fan fiction, I could literally spread this image around and say it's SSB Gogeta figurine.

Vegito will always be superior to Gogeta due to Potara fusion being more powerful than the fusion dance

Based off feats Gogeta should win. Depends if they fetcon the multiplier.

The Potara Fusion is canonically more powerful. Furthermore, Potara has a rival boost that further distances the already gaping power between the two forms of fusion.

So theoretically, SSB Vegito would stomp SSB Gogeta.

If the spoilers are to believed and if Regular Gogeta was collapsing dimensions with mere punches, I don't see how this is a battle.

Lets actually wait and see the movie.

Gogeta stomps

pretty sure it was said in the anime, and according to the wiki, it is also mentioned in the databook Dragon Ball: super exciting guide, and in "Item Dictionary", Daizenshuu #7" To use [the Potara], the two people who will merge simply have to each take one of the two earrings and put in on their left or right ear, respectively. Furthermore, after merging, the power is greater than with Fusion"

We all know that potara fusion>fusion dance I dunno why you're trying to refute it.

As for the OP not stating it's current version of Vegito, battle forum rules say that unless specific, we use current versions so I am assuming this is Vegito as he would be if Goku and Vegeta used the Potara during the movie. If not, then Gogeta probably wins

@marvelfan1992: kinda off topic but you heard the latest news cyke is coming back

Gogeta form the new Broly movie would beat Vegitto form the Future Trunks Ark, given how much more powerful Goku and Vegeta have become.

But if Vegetto was made up of current Goku and current Vegeta he would win.

Potato fusion is more powerful.

@supermanthor: I saw it but is it 10000% sure? Because he’s my favorite male character and I cannot handle it if turns out he isn’t coming back lol

Gogeta has always been stronger anyway....

@marvelfan1992: lol I can understand

@visionary-:

Actually, the Elder Kai did say that it is stronger. He was answering Goku's question whether the Potara would make him stronger, and adds that it is better than the Dance at it.

Besides, if it refers to unlimited duration, then it contradictorily makes the Potara inferior to the Dance, because Goku and Vegeta does not appreciate the idea of permanent fusion, and 30 minutes from the Dance, assuming that SSJ Gogeta = SSJ Vegito (which clearly isn't the case), would easily be enough to wipe out Buuhan. The Elder Kai further mentioned that their rivalry made the Potara fusion even stronger, which adds further evidence of the context clearly refers to power.

OT: The fact that people actually think SSB Gogeta would win hurts my head immensely, since canonical statements puts Vegito significantly stronger. Whatever feats Gogeta shows in the movie, Vegito directly scales off of it.

Gogeta Blue from Broly movie one-shot Vegito Blue from Black saga but if they are all current Vegito Blue is stronger.

@visionary-:

Obviously he was referring to Goku being stronger than he already is, he didn't say stronger than the dance.

And here you're grasping on straws, because you're ignoring the context the response. The context of the response is in part of answering Goku's question about power, it wasn't his intention for it to be mutually exclusive.

It was why Goku was so happy - he knew about the Fusion Dance prior becasue he taught it to Trunks and Goten, and thus he was elated that the Potara Fusion is even stronger. Do you honestly think just the notion of getting 'stronger' would be enough to cause a reaction like that when they are faced with an enemy that was portrayed to be near invincible at that point? Base Buu alone would stomp Goku and Vegeta, and we're talking Buuhan here.

That makes no sense, who cares if Goku and Vegeta want to be permanently fused or not? That doesn't make the fusion inferior to the dance. It's better to be fused for as long as you need to be fused than for a set amount of time in battle, what if the fight lasts longer than the fusion dance lasts for? This argument is insane, and doesn't prove anything.

Yeah except that fights don't last forever. Considering the speed and power levels of these fighters, fight don't last over at most 15 minutes before it is over, when the Dance lasts for 30. You do realize that in every fight where fusion is concerned, it never lasts for over 30 minutes when both fighters are serious, right? Vegito vs Buu lasted for longer because Vegito allowed it, and Gotenks vs Buu lasted for longer because of Gotenks' overconfidence.

Besides, the context here is that they aren't worried about how long the fight lasts, they are worried about whether the fused fighter would be powerful enough to resist Buu - if the fighter is more powerful, the fight would end in less than 30 minutes so long as he pulls all the stops.

If anything, the argument that the Potara is better because it is infinite is insane, because it would prove that it is inferior.

He mentioned that in a completely different conversation altogether, and wasn't saying that was why the potara is better than the dance. Nice try, but that doesn't imply he was referring to it being better than the dance due to power.

Even if we did pretend he openly stated it was stronger then we would have to assume that he was a completely unbaised in his statement, which may or may not be the case.

Yeah except there is no objective statements that show that the Dance benefitted from the rival boost. He didn't openly state it, it's clearly inferred.

No he doesn't, even if the dance was inferior he wouldn't scale off of Gogeta when Goku and Vegeta have massively improved since their fight with merged Zamasu. This is like saying SSJ Vegito scales off SSG Goku because fusion is supposed to make the people doing it far stronger. But that is illogical for obvious reasons.

Prove that Goku improved 'massively' since the Black Arc then, because I am sure he couldn't unlock UI at will.

Common guys I haven’t seen the movie and the answer is clear Potara>>>Dance(if you tag me dont forget spoiler tag please)

Vegito obviously

I assume we are taking their time periods into account? In which case Potara may be stronger but the dance is working with far stronger materials.

Gogeta should win based on what I heard about him, but this thread isn't allowed and will be locked, spoiler or not.

Gogeta >>>>>>>>>>> Vegito by feats

Assuming this is after TOP fusee's for both Gogeta and Vegito, Vegito stomps.

The Elder Kai stated that the potaro fusion was *better* than the dance.... better doesn't mean its stronger. With the dance the users need to move in perfect form and match their powerlevels and hope the enemy doesn't rush them in the couple of seconds they need to perform the ritual, with the potaro the users simply put on some earnings and boem! ultimate warrior ready that makes the earings beter than the dance in a real life battle situation but that doesn't make them stronger, it makes them more practical to use. Old Kai even mentions this when he asks Goku on how he plans to beat Super Buu, Goku awnsers that he plans to use the fusion dance with Gohan and the Old Kai replies back that if Goku thinks that Super Buu is just gonna sit there and watch Goku and Gohan perform the dance then he's mistaken.

@nibbit: Potara is better, in-fact I wouldn't be surprised if SSB Gogeta defuses literally instantly considering how fast SSJ3 Gotenks defused.

@visionary-:

Old kai only ever says it's better than fusion after Goku says was surprised. And why wouldn't Goku get excited at the thought of getting stronger? This is Goku we're talking about.....

Already addressed.

This logic is dumb, why would Old Kai care about Vegeta and Goku's lives post fusing? All he cared about was giving them the means to beat majin buu, Goku and Vegeta not being able to defuse wouldn't make vegito inferior to gogeta as fight as conbat is concerned to your point has no merit. In fact, it's objectively absurd since old kai intended for gohan and goku to fuse, not goku and vegeta.

Yes, he gave them a means to beat Buu, and the context here is not whether the fusion would last but whether the fusion is powerful enough.

If the Dance is truly as powerful as the Potara, then it makes it inferior because 30 minutes is plenty of time to beat Buuhan - making permanent fusion unnecessary. Permanent fusing is not a disadvantage in combat but it absolutely is one after the fight is over.

I don't see why this matters at all since old kai shown no concern for their being fused permanently, and even if he did it wouldn't make the potara worse in combat, it would just be worse for day to day life after the fight is over.

Whether the Old Kai cares or not is irrelevant.

That said you didn't counter what I said at all. Yes, fights don't always last that long but regardless it which would be better for a fight? Someone who can only be around for a short period of time or someone who can be around as long as you need it? Yes, someone who doesn't have a short anount of time to fight is aleays going to be worse off than someone who doesn't have to worry about that, especially since they had no way of knowing if the fusion is powerful enough to beat Buu as one sidely as he did or not.

Except that 30 minutes isn't quite a short period of time.

And also, already addressed.

This is true.

It's not implied at all.

Pick one.

He doesn't need UI to be superior to how he was in the black arc. And with the amount of zenkai boosts he would have gotten during the ToP and whatnot he would definitely be superior to how he was by a wide margin.

Except that Zenkais don't exist after the Frieza Saga. The Saiyans suffered far worse injuries throughout Z and Super than the ToP but not a single Saiyan benefitted from the Zenkai. Vegeta got knocked out cold by Cell and Black, got stabbed in the chest by Black, but in none of those occasions did he ever benefit from the boost. Goku had a hole in his chest when fighting against Black and Zamasu but we dont see him stomping the latter in their next fight. In the manga Trunks pointed out that Saiyans have reached their physical limit and thus Vegeta did not benefit from the Zenkai.

Besides, Zenkais can't happen during the ToP because healing materials aren't allowed, it only kicks in when Saiyans are fully healed from near death, and they were never fully healed during the tournament, if anything they only got weaker as it progressed. So even if Zenkais do exist, it dosen't apply to the ToP.

@noobsnowman: Zenkai's do still exist, their impact is just unnoticeable now due to how strong the Saiyans have gotten as stated in the Daizenshuu.

@limitlesssigil: And by Super, Trunks stated in the manga that Goku and Vegeta have reached their physical limits and thus do not benefit from the Zenkai any further.

Besides, if its unnoticeable, then it's not worthy of an argument to prove that Saiyans got any stronger if it is not seen by feats.

@noobsnowman: I'm not arguing anything, I'm just correcting you that Zenkai's do still exist, as was stated in the Daizenshuu.

@limitlesssigil: Fair enough, though Trunks' statement means that it only barely exists post-Frieza saga up till DBS.

@limitlesssigil: We are debating who is stronger not witch fusion defuses the fastest. Like i said the earings are indeed better in the reason that i explained now explain to me why the earnings have more power, why Vegito has a highter powerlevel than Gogeta.

@nibbit: Because he's actually appeared in the canon series, that automatically makes him stronger than Gogeta. Gogeta's from a movie, and the powerscaling in the movies is a direct contrast to the manga, for example, Broly was said to be able to obliterate the South Galaxy.

Also read this, it explains quite clearly with statements/scans why Vegito is undoubtedly stronger.

https://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Solid_evidence_for_Vegito_vs_Gogeta

@limitlesssigil: Vegito is stronger because he is canon thats your argument? ok lol. The user on the wiki page doesn't make a lick of sense. First he post an official scan from the manga where it clearly states the same old argument of the earings being better but doesn't state it to be stronger. Then he writes that there is an official statement from the elder kai witch says the earings to be more powerful.... the same official image he posted. All the official scans say the same thing, that the earings are simply better and not stronger.

Normally, vegeto should be stronger than gogeta.

In order to use the metamol fusion, you need to lower your power level at the level as your partner. So it should go that way:

Goku x Vegeta (Metmol)= Goku 98% x Vegeta 100%

Goku x Mr Satan (Metamol)= Goku 0,0 i don't know how many 0 1% x mr Satan 100%

But in the potara fusion, you don't need to lower you power level. Goku even resorted to fuse with mr satan at a desesperate moment.

Goku x Vegeta (Potara)= Goku 100% x Vegeta 100%

Goku x Mr Satan= Goku 100% x Mr Satan 100%

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Sadly SSB vegeto was disappointing, in the anime atleast.

Goku did more damage to black zamasu than vegetto :-/

@nibbit: Thanks for confirming that you didn't even read my post.

This is a translated piece of text from the "Potara" section in the Daizenshuu (DataBook)

Potara

First Appearance: chapter 501

Category: miscellaneous

Explanation: Ear decorations worn by Kaioshins and their attendants for generations. Despite being worn so casually, they’re actually an incredible power-up item. The Elder Kaioshin gave them to Goku as a trump card for defeating Majin Buu.

Special Characteristics: To use them, the two people who will merge simply each take one of the two earrings and put in on their left or right ear, respectively. Furthermore, after merging the power is greater than with Fusion. However, the two people will automatically merge as soon as the earrings are put on, and in principle will be unable to ever split up again, so caution is needed when handling them. The merged person will only split up when touched by the air inside Majin Buu’s body. Also, while with Fusion the post-merged clothing is the native dress of the people of Planet Metamor, when merging with the Potara not only are the two people’s bodies mixed together, but their clothing is as well. In addition, pathetically enough the East Kaioshin and his attendant Kibito merged together without knowing a thing about Potara fusion. (Daizenshuu 4, p.163)

Undeniable

@wassely: And the fact that it literally states that the Potara fusion produces "Greater power" than the Fusion dance in the Daizenshuu.

@limitlesssigil: And thank you for confirming that you missed what i said. The Daizenshuu (that was what he was refering to) said the earings where stronger but then he posted an official manga scan that contradicts that handbooks statement. You have 2 official statements each saying the other thing and i take the manga more seriously considering it came first than the handbooks witch is known to have caused alot of confusions.