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#1 Posted by Scotchbear (2114 posts) - - Show Bio

Both are blood lusted

Fight takes place on indestructible planet

Gogeta starts in ssb

Gogeta from dbs broly

Beerus from dbs Anime

Who takes it?

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#2 Posted by Tony_Shark (1978 posts) - - Show Bio

@scotchbear: Honestly, probably Gogeta. Even Whis was amazed by how powerful Gogeta truly was (who dominated the fight).

This is the same Whis who saw MUI Goku as well.

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#3 Posted by Scotchbear (2114 posts) - - Show Bio

@tony_shark: is that said right before gogeta tried to kill broly?

What exactly did he say? He seemed evil when he smiled lol

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#4 Posted by Tony_Shark (1978 posts) - - Show Bio

@scotchbear: Before.

He says something to the effect of "This is absolutely fantastic"

Its more his complete amazement of Gogeta.

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#5 Edited by HitTheAssasin (7871 posts) - - Show Bio

Gogeta already dominated someone who was in the same general range as Beerus with relative ease.

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#6 Posted by Legendary_User (232 posts) - - Show Bio

SSB Gogeta would definitely stomp Beerus.

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#7 Posted by Jooosh1996 (2689 posts) - - Show Bio

Gogeta

Considering Goku claiming Broly rivaled Beerus and how Gogeta stomped Broly.

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#8 Posted by Legendary_User (232 posts) - - Show Bio

@jooosh1996: Goku actually said Broly might be even stronger than Beerus if not equal. Meaning Broly >= Beerus.

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#9 Posted by Jooosh1996 (2689 posts) - - Show Bio

@legendary_user: I know but the key word is "might" not to mention Goku has never seen a 100% Beerus

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#11 Posted by Etherious (219 posts) - - Show Bio

Blood lusted Beerus will take this.

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#12 Posted by Karkus (672 posts) - - Show Bio

Blood lusted Beerus will take this.

With what feats?

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#13 Posted by Etherious (219 posts) - - Show Bio

@karkus: don't need feats when Beerus power is retcon in every arc to be the stronger

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#14 Posted by Karkus (672 posts) - - Show Bio

@karkus: don't need feats when Beerus power is retcon in every arc to be the stronger

It has yet to be retconned. It'd be wise not to make any hasty assumptions. There's already more evidence than ever that Beerus has been surpassed.

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#15 Edited by Etherious (219 posts) - - Show Bio

@karkus: wasn't Goku UI from epiode 129 stated might be stronger than Beerus ? Jiren was stronger than this Goku and Broly was confirmed to be stronger than Jiren and might be stronger than Beerus which means he was retconned again

Beerus >= Broly > Jiren > UI Goku

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#16 Posted by Karkus (672 posts) - - Show Bio

@etherious:

Not necessarily, as Goku said "probably" which is more solid than maybe. That also means Gogeta > Broly.

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#17 Posted by Etherious (219 posts) - - Show Bio

@karkus: Goku never seen Beerus at full power so that's debatable

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#18 Posted by Karkus (672 posts) - - Show Bio

@karkus: Goku never seen Beerus at full power so that's debatable

Beerus has no feats to say he would stomp Broly though. Characters in DB have shown to be able to gauge a fighter's full power even when they haven't seen them at full power, and Beerus went not too far away from full power at the baseball match.

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#19 Posted by Madscientist224 (1460 posts) - - Show Bio

Beerus....

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#21 Posted by Skrskr (3324 posts) - - Show Bio

It seems implied that Broly is at beerus level or above, so probably Gogeta

But also that statement comes from someone whose never seen beerus at full power.

I really hope they finally settle where beerus is on the powescale when dbs returns.

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#22 Edited by JuzaCloud (3416 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it was a bad idea to make Jiren stronger than Belmod. That's the one thing that's messing everything up concerning where gogeta or holy should be.

Jiren should have been stated to simply be approaching the power level of the weakest GoD.

With that said I don't think SSB Gogeta and Belly are stronger than MUI Goku and LB Jiren.

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#23 Posted by Etherious (219 posts) - - Show Bio

@karkus: Beerus has no feats to say he would stomp Jiren but he's stronger.

Goku stated Broly might be stronger than Beerus with the little power he saw from Beerus.

If Beerus was full power during the baseball match, the universe will be destroyed

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#24 Posted by Karkus (672 posts) - - Show Bio

@etherious:

beerus has no feats to say he would stomp Jiren but he's stronger.

You can't say that as a fact when there are no feats to support that.

with the little power he saw from Beerus.

He saw a good amount of power given the bruises and bleeding they each had and both of them saying they were angry, and again, characters in DB have shown to be able to gauge a fighter's full power even when they haven't seen them at full power.

If Beerus was full power during the baseball match, the universe will be destroyed

It was going to be, that's why the Angels stopped it.

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#25 Posted by The_Hajduk (5849 posts) - - Show Bio

Current Gogeta might be the only character who can genuinely outclass Beerus. I didn't even believe Vegetto Blue was on his level, just close.

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#26 Posted by Etherious (219 posts) - - Show Bio

@karkus: Beerus has no feats but that doesn't mean he's weaker than characters who have more feats than him, in this case Hit is stronger than Beerus

Wasn't this a filler episode? and he wasn't full power, so he never seen Beerus full power

When Goku shown to be able to gauge a fighter's full power even when they haven't seen them at full power ?

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#27 Posted by Karkus (672 posts) - - Show Bio

@etherious:

Beerus has no feats but that doesn't mean he's weaker than characters who have more feats than him

It means that you can't say for a fact he's stronger when there's no proof.

Wasn't this a filler episode?

Never stated.

and he wasn't full power, so he never seen Beerus full power

Was close.

When Goku shown to be able to gauge a fighter's full power even when they haven't seen them at full power ?

I said "characters". Goku never tried to. Ginyu and Korin have shown this ability though.

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#28 Edited by Etherious (219 posts) - - Show Bio

@karkus: A statements isn't a proof ?

We can't know if he was close to full power,it was never stated.

There is a different between Ginyu and Korin who shown this abilitiy for a way weaker power than Beerus..

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#29 Posted by Greysentinel365 (5981 posts) - - Show Bio

Only chance Beerus has is Hakai hacks

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#30 Posted by Karkus (672 posts) - - Show Bio

@etherious:

A statements isn't a proof ?

What statement does Beerus have?

We can't know if he was close to full power,it was never stated.

We can infer that based on both of them saying they were very angry, causing eachother bruises and bleeding, and the Angels stopping their fight.

There is a different between Ginyu and Korin who shown this abilitiy for a way weaker power than Beerus..

If you have evidence Goku can't gauge Beerus's Full Power, I'm open to hearing it.

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#31 Posted by Marshall_Long (5648 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_hajduk: Vegito would be equal to Gogeta, if they were to use the Potara in the movie.

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#32 Posted by Vader3 (316 posts) - - Show Bio

literally goku by himself can beat Beerus now with ultra instinct mastered, ofc gogeta would win.

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#33 Posted by WhatamIseeing (1596 posts) - - Show Bio

Gogeta stomps add in KKx20 and SSBE its a super stomp

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#34 Posted by The_Hajduk (5849 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_hajduk: Vegito would be equal to Gogeta, if they were to use the Potara in the movie.

True, I mean Vegetto Blue from when he existed.

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#35 Posted by Azronger (4321 posts) - - Show Bio

Gogeta stomps

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#36 Posted by Etherious (219 posts) - - Show Bio

@karkus: Broly was confirmed stronger than Jiren and might be stronger than Beerus, isn't this a enough statement who make him stronger than Jiren ?

There is no evidence Goku can gauge Beerus full power, wasn't Goku surprised to see how strong can be Jiren ?

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#37 Edited by Zapan871 (2002 posts) - - Show Bio

Eh, I think Goku did actually see Beerus' full might, seeing as he saw him fight Champa before and after the Tournament 6 saga. And Whis and Vados had to intervene both times, otherwise Universe 6 and 7 would be destroyed, as the Angels themselves stated, which wouldn't happen if Beerus and Champa weren't going all out. Given that from what we know so far GoD are universal at best (individually), it's safe to say that Goku reasonably knows Beerus' full power.

Also, in the manga, Goku saw Beerus fight during the Zen Exhibition Match, where the latter was all bruised after fighting the other GoD, so he wasn't holding back there either.

Gogeta wins, tbh. Especially when considering that Goku alone was stated to be pretty close to being a god (which obviously refers to GoD level) after the ToP.

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#38 Posted by Karkus (672 posts) - - Show Bio

@etherious:

Broly was confirmed stronger than Jiren and might be stronger than Beerus

They said probably.

isn't this a enough statement who make him stronger than Jiren ?

No.

There is no evidence Goku can gauge Beerus full power

The fact that Korin could gauge Cell's implies so. If you have a reason why he can't, I'm open to hearing it.

wasn't Goku surprised to see how strong can be Jiren ?

Don't recall that.

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#39 Posted by Emanresu_20 (2692 posts) - - Show Bio

Whether stronger or not Broly is hovering around that Area and Gogeta stomped him.

I’m going with Gogeta.

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#40 Posted by cpt_nice (9867 posts) - - Show Bio

Just saw the movie, finally.

Gogeta should win easily. Broly is in Beerus' ballpark and Gogeta manhandled him.

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#41 Posted by TheWatcherKing (18237 posts) - - Show Bio

Gogeta wrecks.

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#42 Posted by AlexTheBoss (16895 posts) - - Show Bio

Gogeta wins until Beerus gets more feats.

And to people saying Goku didn't see Beerus' full power, he did in the manga version of the events when the GoD fought each other before the ToP. I'm not saying the manga version is more canon, but since there is a version of Goku who has seen Beerus' full power, and this movie seems to be a continuation of both the anime and manga versions of Super, at least in some way, I don't think saying Goku never saw Beerus' full strength before is a proper argument.

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#43 Posted by Chronicplane (8817 posts) - - Show Bio

Gogeta wins this comfortably the same way he did against Broly, who was shown and implied to be in Beerus's ballmark. Hakai shouldn't work since it's been proven it can be resisted if your stronger than the Hakai user, such as SSBE Vegeta against GoD Toppo.

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#44 Edited by deactivated-5c60dc252a2af (5801 posts) - - Show Bio

Well... Goku did say that Broly might be stronger than Beerus which means that they are around the same level.

Gogeta, on the other hand, won pretty comfortably against Broly.

It depends on if you accept Goku's word or not.

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#45 Posted by Galactic_1000 (5557 posts) - - Show Bio

Gogeta

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#46 Edited by ONEPUNCHGOD (123 posts) - - Show Bio

Gogeta LOLstomps GoDs Negative Diff

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#47 Posted by U_WOT_M8 (1400 posts) - - Show Bio

Novel gives a pretty clear picture on Broly strength compared to SSJB Gogeta

SSJB Gogeta had a power advantage but also was out skilling FP SSJ Broly, but Broly was able to go punch to punch and block his kicks but Gogeta was still comfortably ahead.

THEN Gogeta raised his power and crushed Broly, Broly couldn't do anything, couldn't even go punch to punch with the man and got wrecked so bad he basically didn't want to fight any more.

Broly is said to be probably stronger then Beerus

Meaning Gogeta powered up > Gogeta suppressed > FP SSJ Broly => Beerus

Gogeta toys with Beerus while holding back the same way Vegito played with Buuhan, and when he wants to finish it, he will crushed Beerus easily

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#49 Posted by Lord_Doom159 (322 posts) - - Show Bio

Beerus and Broly are even in terms of raw Power but when it comes to Skills and battle wisdom Beerus is on a diffrant level, also Beerus Hakai energy is a main factor along with semi UI mastering id say Beerus edge him out in a close one.

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#50 Posted by Nomar (1740 posts) - - Show Bio

I can't wait for the day we see a serious Beerus. I just wanna rub it in the faces of people in here who can't tell a narrative device when they see one.