SSB Blue Kaioken 20x Goku and Beyond Blue Vegeta vs Champa

The duo, and not too hard.

@comicgirl21: Champa has better feats than Toppo, such as casually destroying planets with kicks and punches while battling Beerus throughout the solar system.

Don't make me laugh. First the feat belongs both to Beerus and Champa combined, so if anything, Champa can only really take credit for like half the destruction that took place. Second, the destruction was casued by their ki colliding. We've seen that being the case many times. Were two characters with god level ki fight eachother, everything around them gets destroyed, but it's not because of their muscle strength. I mean give me a break Vegeta in DBS couldn't lift 1000 tons and he could spar with Beerus. So obviously suggesting any DB character can destroy a planet with a punch is just laughable. And thirdly, destroying planets? Really? Is THAT your great feat for Champa? DBZ characters could do that without trying. First form Freeza can do that without trying. We're talking about high end DBS characters here. Get real. This is how much Toppo needs to exaggerate himself to overpower a "planet level" attack.

Toppo's best feat is changing the color of the WoV,

And what do you think changed the color of infinite nothing? Well, Toppo literally DESTROYED an infinite, empty dimension and created space and matter in it's stead with the power of his attack. The empty void disappeared and sky with celestial bodies appeared.

Your lowballing is absolutely hillarious. Sure, the "color" changed. HAHAHA. Okay goof, move along.

which is a non-combat feat, so i really don't see what feats puts him at Champa's level.

That attack wasn't combat feat?

Didn't you read me say he BROKE THE ToP ARENA IN HALF with that attack? The same arena that survived UI Goku vs Jiren going all out, a genkidama attack coming from entire U7, full power attacks from Kefla and many other attacks from characters on planetary, solar sysem, and likely galaxy and above level characters. Hell Kefla was hinted to be universal and Jiren has straight 4th dimensional feats and Arena survived these guys fighting just fine with some cracks and holes. And Toppo BREAKS THE ENTIRE THING IN HALF. That's not a good feat for you? That's trillions of times more impressive than Champa destroying some random freakin planets, especially when he shares the feat with someone else who's stronger than him.

And no, he didn't destroy and recreated the WoV, what are you smoking?

I don't need to smoke a thing to know when a troll comes along. ur not even funny.

@comicgirl21: Champa has better feats than Toppo, such as casually destroying planets with kicks and punches while battling Beerus throughout the solar system.

Champa is weaker than Beerus, but still relative to him. He should beat them, but if Goku had omen, then I could see the team winning.

@comicgirl21:

Don't make me laugh. First the feat belongs both to Beerus and Champa combined, so if anything, Champa can only really take credit for like half the destruction that took place.

Doesn't matter, it's still a better feat than any of Toppo's combat feats,

How about Toppo one shotting Golden Frieza? Or cracking 17's barrier? Or overpowering royal blue final flash? These aren't even planet level according to you huh? Pathetic trolling.

and if you're not convinced then there's the Goku vs Beerus shockwaves.

Which destroyed absolutely nothing. Good call.

Second, the destruction was casued by their ki colliding. We've seen that being the case many times. Were two characters with god level ki fight eachother, everything around them gets destroyed, but it's not because of their muscle strength.

I don't recall seeing their ki colliding, so you're making stuff up, they were using physicals.

If you wanna make up a fairytale like that, you better prove it to me with some scans. "I don't recall" well then prove it. Like I said, we've seen many times Beerus vs Champa fight and things around them get hakaid simply because of them exerting their ki. There are many examples from anime and manga of that happening. And there is no direct feat of any of them destroying a planet with a physical, non ki enhanced attack. Period.

I mean give me a break Vegeta in DBS couldn't lift 1000 tons and he could spar with Beerus.

Vegeta was struggling against a 1,000 ton robot that was also pushing with force that was enhanced by ki, that's like saying that Goku was struggling with a 240 lbs Vegeta or something.

Nice lowball. Obviously, this feat was specifically mentioned as being above Vegeta's capability of lifting, because we got confirmation when Kale threw Magetta during ToP. Magetta was not pushing towards the ground. He was just standing still. Also, he doesn't even have ki, he is a robot that uses lava for fuel. Again, pathetic attempt of trolling.

And there's a difference between lifting/pushing strength and striking strength.

Well duh. But it's not a difference of a quadrillion times multiplication. Which is what you are suggesting by stating that Vegeta tiers can't lift Magetta but can suddenly explode a planet with a physical strike that would require millions of tzar bombs worth of energy output.

DB character can destroy a planet with a punch is just laughable.

Too bad Beerus has done that on 2 occasions.

Again, wanna give me counter statement like that, prove it. We're not kids, going yes-no back and forth is a waste of time. Disagree? Proof or stop wasting time.

And thirdly, destroying planets? Really? Is THAT your great feat for Champa? DBZ characters could do that without trying. First form Freeza can do that without trying. We're talking about high end DBS characters here. Get real. This is how much Toppo needs to exaggerate himself to overpower a "planet level" attack.

Destroying various planets as a side effect while fighting someone throughout the solar system> nullifying a planetary ki blast with hakai. It's still a better feat than any of Toppo's.

Yeah sure. Like I said above. First form SS Frieza can destroy a planet. This is DBS current final form Freeza doing this attack, which means it's likely above galaxy level at bare minimum. And Toppo destroys this attack with a SPARK of his hakai. That's not even trolling, that was just boring. It's like debunking flat earth. Freakin embarrassing.

And what do you think changed the color of infinite nothing? Well, Toppo literally DESTROYED an infinite, empty dimension and created space and matter in it's stead with the power of his attack. The empty void disappeared and sky with celestial bodies appeared.

This is probably the dumbest thing i've ever seen on CV.

First off, all he did was change the color of the WoV and add a couple of energy balls, nowhere was it stated that he somehow destroyed and recreated the WoV.

The VOID disappeared and the SKY with celestial bodies appeared. If you gotta a better explanation, let's hear it.

Your lowballing is absolutely hillarious. Sure, the "color" changed. HAHAHA. Okay goof, move along.

It's a fact, but believe whatever your delusional mind says.

Void has colors in that tiny brain of yours? That's just rich.

Didn't you read me say he BROKE THE ToP ARENA IN HALF with that attack? The same arena that survived UI Goku vs Jiren going all out, a genkidama attack coming from entire U7, full power attacks from Kefla and many other attacks from characters on planetary, solar sysem, and likely galaxy and above level characters. Hell Kefla was hinted to be universal and Jiren has straight 4th dimensional feats and Arena survived these guys fighting just fine with some cracks and holes. And Toppo BREAKS THE ENTIRE THING IN HALF. That's not a good feat for you? That's trillions of times more impressive than Champa destroying some random freakin planets, especially when he shares the feat with someone else who's stronger than him.

W O W THE SAME ARENA THAT WAS GETTING BUSTED BY FODDER CHARACTERS?

Which characters in the ToP are fodders exactly? You do realize that even base Goku has god ki and was fighting Monaka Costume Beerus to standstill right? And most of the ToP characters could stalemate or even overpower base Goku, forcing him to use some of his transformations. There were no fodders in ToP. Some of them seemed fodder compared to Goku and Vegeta tiers but that's pretty obvious.

wow, that's vrey impressive! it surely takes alot of power to do so!

Yeah, well if U7 genkidama pushed by KKx20 Blue Goku can only cause a crater and Toppo can cause arena to break, I'd like ur take on how exactly is Toppo's attack weaker than planet level stuff Champa did. That'd be nice. All you do is ridicule and provide 0 feats for champa. You literally have nothing to say.

I don't need to smoke a thing to know when a troll comes along. ur not even funny.

Yeah you don't need to smoke a thing, you were born like that.

Ouch! You kiss yo mama with that mouth? A mean internet comment. Gotta find a tissue. What a pathetic, awkward comment that was.

@comicgirl21:

How about Toppo one shotting Golden Frieza? Or cracking 17's barrier? Or overpowering royal blue final flash? These aren't even planet level according to you huh? Pathetic trolling.

Beerus already replicated a similar feat, such as one-shotting FSSJB Vegeta.

Beerus? What do I care? We're talking about Champa. Beerus and Champa are brothers so they never even seriously fought seriously, there's no telling what is the gap between them. And Vados for one claims that the gap clearly is there. Beerus has far better feats than Champa. That would be like our 3rd comment exchange and you still haven't provided a single above planetary feat for Champa. While clearly, cracking through 17's barrier is above planetary feat for Toppo, and he didn't even use hakai for it.

17 barrier survived all kinds of crazy stuff without fail, including Goku's blue kamehameha, which is far above planetary attack, since it's Goku full power attack and Goku could destroy planets several transformations below blue all the way back in SS saga. This feat alone means Toppo has better feats than Champa and the case is closed. Good day.

Which destroyed absolutely nothing. Good call.

The shockwaves reached were felt/traveled throughout the universe, it takes far more power than planet busting to create such shockwaves.

Actually, even the planets just next to them were fine, didn't get destroyed. So no, it doesn't take more than a planetary force to create such showckwaves, according to you, this is not a combat feat at all if absolutely nothing got destroyed. This is exactly what you said about my void feat. So how about you get consistent for a change.

If you wanna make up a fairytale like that, you better prove it to me with some scans. "I don't recall" well then prove it. Like I said, we've seen many times Beerus vs Champa fight and things around them get hakaid simply because of them exerting their ki. There are many examples from anime and manga of that happening. And there is no direct feat of any of them destroying a planet with a physical, non ki enhanced attack. Period.

You made the claim, the burden is on you, there's no indication that they destroyed the planets due to ki, either prove it or you're just speculating.

There ya go kid. Beerus vs Champa fights clearly exert energy that destroys anything around them. That's what happened to the planets.

Nice lowball. Obviously, this feat was specifically mentioned as being above Vegeta's capability of lifting, because we got confirmation when Kale threw Magetta during ToP. Magetta was not pushing towards the ground. He was just standing still. Also, he doesn't even have ki, he is a robot that uses lava for fuel. Again, pathetic attempt of trolling.

Are you dumb? How am i lowballing when i'm actually debunking you lowballing Vegeta, do you even know what lowballing means?

Ki or not, he was applying force, we can clearly see that, base Vegeta lifted a big piece of kachi katchin from the tournament of power

Any proof it was about 1000 tons or anything close to that? No. Then I honestly don't care.

in his base form easily, keep in mind this is the same material that is superior to kachi katchin which is very dense, so again, Magetta was applying pressure, he weights 1,000 tons, but he's also applying pressure.

Can you please explain to me, how exactly do you apply pressure without the use of ki, or some enginges or anything of similar kind. How exactly, is Magetta applying pressure by standing. I am really curious how does that work in your head. Because that's not even funny, that's you failing at kindergarten logic. All the pressure a 1000 ton character can apply on the ground without a use of something like magic, ki or some engines he would have to use to push himself down is 1000 tons. That's all there is to it.

Well duh. But it's not a difference of a quadrillion times multiplication. Which is what you are suggesting by stating that Vegeta tiers can't lift Magetta but can suddenly explode a planet with a physical strike that would require millions of tzar bombs worth of energy output.

I'm not suggesting anything, Vegeta struggling with Magetta has context.

Yes it does. You still haven't provided a single above planetary feat for Champa. If you won't provide one for the next comment, I'll just drop this, honestly this is boring my ass off miserably. I feel like I'm being forced to beat a 4 year old in an arm wrestling. It's honestly just embarrassing.

Again, wanna give me counter statement like that, prove it. We're not kids, going yes-no back and forth is a waste of time. Disagree? Proof or stop wasting time.

Wow wouldn't you know! Beerus destroys a few building sized planets with unknown density. Where's your feat again?

The VOID disappeared and the SKY with celestial bodies appeared. If you gotta a better explanation, let's hear it.

The World of Void didn't dissapear, we literally see particles flying and then the color of the clouds change, nowhere was it stated or implied that he destroyed and recreated the WoV, you made the claim, prove it.

I already did. Celestial bodies appeared, and empty, black void disappeared.

Void has colors in that tiny brain of yours? That's just rich.

Weak insult, try better.

It wasn't an insult really. Void is nothing. Empty. Zero. It can't have colors so it can't change them.

Which characters in the ToP are fodders exactly? You do realize that even base Goku has god ki and was fighting Monaka Costume Beerus to standstill right? And most of the ToP characters could stalemate or even overpower base Goku, forcing him to use some of his transformations. There were no fodders in ToP. Some of them seemed fodder compared to Goku and Vegeta tiers but that's pretty obvious.

Base Goku is still fodder compared to the high tiers of the ToP, so destroying something fodders could isn't impressive.

You just claimed that BoG Goku could destroy a universe with shockwaves, and now you are saying that the same Goku who absorbed his BoG energy is fodder and doesn't scale to above planetary? Wow. You clearly are out of your element, honestly, you don't even need me, you are debunking yourself as you go.

ToP arena wasn't inconsistent. It's just all the characters who fought on it were actually very powerful, in fact, they were in most cases top 10 mortals from each universe, and in U7 for one, top 50 characters are easily above planetary if not more. And again, Toppo CRACKED the entire thing in half. It's like you saying that if a karate chop from a black belt can destroy a brick, then a guy who can crack an entire block of flats in half is not impressive, because you saw some black belt destroy a brick before. Toppo's feat of cracking an arena in half is clearly above planetary, since all of the ToP fighters scale to above planetary level easily, and they were only able to make a few craters and cracks in it even with their most powerful attacks.

Yeah, well if U7 genkidama pushed by KKx20 Blue Goku can only cause a crater and Toppo can cause arena to break, I'd like ur take on how exactly is Toppo's attack weaker than planet level stuff Champa did. That'd be nice. All you do is ridicule and provide 0 feats for champa. You literally have nothing to say.

That shows u how inconsistent kachi katchin is, and why breaking it isn't impressive.

I already told you, literally mentioned one if the feats.

How is it better? Well, let's see..

Beerus is capable of easily destroying planets by just colliding with them, as seen in the video above, Champa fought Beerus throughout the solar system destroying planets as a side effect, with their kicks and punches. Fighting someone that has casual planet busting physicals for an extended period of time, while at the same time destroying planets casually>> destroying a single planet level ki blast.

Destroying 17's barrier is above planetary feat. (Galaxy + at least)

One shotting Golden Freeza is above planetary feat. (Multi solar system to galaxy easily)

Destroying Final Form Freeza's planet busting energy ball is above planetary feat. (At least multi planetary to solar system)

Cracking a ToP arena in half is above planetary feat. (likely a universal+ feat)

Overpowering RB Vegeta's final flash is above planetary feat. (likely above universal feat)

Champa destoryed planets and that's all he ever did. Toppo has by far better feats than Champa. And returning to a main subject for a change, Since Toppo is far above Champa, so is RB Vegeta, and he solos this thread.

Ouch! You kiss yo mama with that mouth? A mean internet comment. Gotta find a tissue. What a pathetic, awkward comment that was.

I mean, it's better than being a smooth brain like you.

Honestly, if you do not provide an above planetary feat for Champa by your next post, just count me out. Flying back and forth with a person with no arguments who relies on cheap insults for fuel is way below me. Looking forward to that.

I rmb in the U6 tournament Champa was taken aback from the stares of Hit and SSBKK Goku...

@gaoron:

I agree that suggesting Toppo effected entire infnite Void is baseless but don't call the feat as "changing colour". Toppo warped it and it's defnitely combat applicable as it hold force of a regular blast combined with warping/erasing effect of hakai.

He warped a place that has no space/time and changed the color of it, and added particles or something like that, it's a unquantifiable feat therefore non-combat applicable.