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Spriggan 12 (FT)

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Elite Sternritters (Bleach)

No Zeref or Yhwach

Everyone starts in base

Random encounter in Soul Society

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The Elites stomp. Mismatch.

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Unless you believe the top tiers are only hill level at best, the Elite Sternritters stomp the Spriggan 12.

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Without Yhwach, several Spriggan can solo.

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Don't know much about Fairy tail but there's a thread where people are arguing Luffy beats these 12? If Luffy can beat all 12 there's no reason the Elites don't fodderize them.

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That's just OP wank lol.

DiMaria stops time and Jacobs sends them a one way ticket to death's door.

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Elite Sternritters murders

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As far as I know, none of the Elite Sternritters have feats of moving while time is stopped

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A battle where bleach finally win Nasib ku pro...keh3 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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@silentnightz: Spriggan's got lots of dangerous hax between them, Brandish can shrink internal organs, Irene can transmute, Invel has great freezing, etc

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#12  Edited By LeoTheGreatest

Every Elite except possibly Pernida solos.

  • Gerard dwarfs them in physicals and has The Miracle.
  • Lille‘s faster than all of them and ignores durability.
  • Askins faster than all of them, can become immune to all their magic and poison them.

None of the Elites can be BFR’d and weaker sternritters have tanked Absolute Zero among other things.

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@requiemcross said:

As far as I know, none of the Elite Sternritters have feats of moving while time is stopped

But all 4 are nigh-unkillable, so they WILL get up from whatever you think happens after time-stop.

OT: Sternritter body all 12 easily. They outstat the Spriggan 12 bad so they have blitzing rights meaning like half the Spriggan dies immediately. Almost nothing short of city AP even matters to them, Askin alone requires mountain class AP to hurt. Askin will become more immune to magic as the battle carries on and no one kills him. Pernida it going to make a mess of anyone who can't fly immediately. Lille and Gerard could solo all 12, no one can stop them. There are a few note worthy mages in the Spriggan 12 that could cause serious damage, but none that could kill any Elite Sternritter.

What makes you think they are still alive after stopping time? Last I check, none of them are immortal.

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@requiemcross said:

What makes you think they are still alive after stopping time? Last I check, none of them are immortal.

Lol then you should check again: 2 are outright immortal, and the other 2 are nigh-immortal.

Kindly state thier names. Last I check, none of them are immortals.

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Doesn't Elites include Ishida and Jugram. If so the FT team may not want to throw around their hax casually. "They get right back at you'd" by the duo

OT : stern Eventually stomp Dimaria would be a problem and Irene and Brandish would be a mild inconvenience but its nothing they can't handle.

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@saxz said:

Doesn't Elites include Ishida and Jugram. If so the FT team may not want to throw around their hax casually. "They get right back at you'd" by the duo

OT : stern Eventually stomp Dimaria would be a problem and Irene and Brandish would be a mild inconvenience but its nothing they can't handle.

you missed one important spriggan.

Neinhart.

He could easily use his Historia of the Dead, Copy Yhwach and use his Auswählen. All Stern will then die.

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@requiemcross said:

Kindly state thier names. Last I check, none of them are immortals.

Outright Immortal: Lille, Gerard; Nigh-Immortal: Pernida, Askin. Nothing any of the Spriggan 12 can do will kill any of them.

Really? last I know Gerard and Lille are not immortal, even Pernida and Askin.

Besides, your assumption is wrong. One of the Spriggan named Neinhart could kill all the Stern. All he have to do is used his magic: Historia of the Dead. Copy Yhwach and use his Auswählen. All Stern will then die.

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@requiemcross said:

you missed one important spriggan.

Neinhart.

He could easily use his Historia of the Dead, Copy Yhwach and use his Auswählen. All Stern will then die.

Neinhart dies beforehand likely since Pernida can kill several lesser ones at once. Also, Auswhalen can be dodged and was dodged by much lesser Sternritter. Creative tactic though.

If he's alone yes, do you think the other Spriggan will simply watch him face all the Stern alone?

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@requiemcross:

Yeah that's a good point but Historia has a massive weakness ,the Historia summons are weaker than their original selves and The caster Magic Power is consumed depending on the power of the summon. Which means Neinhert will KO himself from summoning a powerhouse like Yhwach.

And Neinhert is practically defenseless any sternritter one shot if they even suspect his ability is a problem.

So no Neinhert is just a little inconvenience at best

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@saxz said:

@requiemcross:

Yeah that's a good point but Historia has a massive weakness ,the Historia summons are weaker than their original selves and The caster Magic Power is consumed depending on the power of the summon. Which means Neinhert will KO himself from summoning a powerhouse like Yhwach.

If he summon him as powerful as he is in The Thousand-Year Blood War arc. How about if he summoned him before he recover his powers? All he have to do is use Auswählen after being summoned at his weakest.

And Neinhert is practically defenseless any sternritter one shot if they even suspect his ability is a problem.

So no Neinhert is just a little inconvenience at best

Problem is, he's not alone. With no knowledge about his magic and then being weaken by Dimaria's initial time stop attacks, do you think the Sterns are still powerful enough to evade Auswählen?

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@saxz: Also, to be clear, I don't think Neinhert could summoned a copy of Yhwach at his most powerful state.

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From what I've just read about Neinhart and Historia of the Dead he's far too weak to even summon the weakest version of Yhwach.

Also, assuming he can just summon someone from another verse and use their abilities which aren't Fairy Tail magic is a huge leap.

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@requiemcross:

If Yhwach is anything less than his original power the Elite sternritters could stomp him.

They are powerful enough to evade the Aushwahlen light since Mid tier sterns could evade it but the Aushwahlen's effect is another issue.

Even the weakest version of Yhwach shown KO's Neinhert the second he is summoned.

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Elites should stomp

Dimaria time stop didn't work in an enraged natsu because he was too strong. Don't see why that wouldn't happen here. And historia of the dead raises the people they have fought. I don't remember any of the elites fighting yhwach so it kinda nullifies the ability. I could be remembering it wrong though

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@saxz said:

@requiemcross:

If Yhwach is anything less than his original power the Elite sternritters could stomp him.

They are powerful enough to evade the Aushwahlen light since Mid tier sterns could evade it but the Aushwahlen's effect is another issue.

Even the weakest version of Yhwach shown KO's Neinhert the second he is summoned.

The copy is not the actual spirit of Yhwach, its a magical manifestation possessing all the powers and abilities of Yhwach from the Stern's memories directly under the control of Neinhert.

In one on one or at better condition, the Stern's may avoid the copy's Aushwahlen. But you should also consider the potential damage of the other Spriggan, specially the damage that Dimaria could inflict using her time magic and time stop.

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#30  Edited By Ymirgod

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Every Elite except possibly Pernida solos.

  • Gerard dwarfs them in physicals and has The Miracle.
  • Lille‘s faster than all of them and ignores durability.
  • Askins faster than all of them, can become immune to all their magic and poison them.

None of the Elites can be BFR’d and weaker sternritters have tanked Absolute Zero among other things.

Pernida beat kenpachi... it could probably solo this

The best FT feat is the god-tiers scaling from Etherion. These characters don't scale from that... The moment Askin spawns Deluxe it's pretty much over. The others don't have to do much.

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@ymirgod said:
@leothegreatest said:

Every Elite except possibly Pernida solos.

  • Gerard dwarfs them in physicals and has The Miracle.
  • Lille‘s faster than all of them and ignores durability.
  • Askins faster than all of them, can become immune to all their magic and poison them.

None of the Elites can be BFR’d and weaker sternritters have tanked Absolute Zero among other things.

Pernida beat kenpachi... it could probably solo this

The best FT feat is the god-tiers scaling from Etherion. These characters don't scale from that... The moment Askin spawns Deluxe it's pretty much over. The others don't have to do much.

And before that could happen, either Dimaria already damaged them using her time stop and time magic or Neinhert created a copy of Yhwach and use Aushwahlen to steal their powers.

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@ymirgod said:
@leothegreatest said:

Every Elite except possibly Pernida solos.

  • Gerard dwarfs them in physicals and has The Miracle.
  • Lille‘s faster than all of them and ignores durability.
  • Askins faster than all of them, can become immune to all their magic and poison them.

None of the Elites can be BFR’d and weaker sternritters have tanked Absolute Zero among other things.

Pernida beat kenpachi... it could probably solo this

The best FT feat is the god-tiers scaling from Etherion. These characters don't scale from that... The moment Askin spawns Deluxe it's pretty much over. The others don't have to do much.

And before that could happen, either Dimaria already damaged them using her time stop and time magic or Neinhert created a copy of Yhwach and use Aushwahlen to steal their powers.

Lol no the spriggan gets blitz to hell..

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@ymirgod said:
@requiemcross said:
@ymirgod said:
@leothegreatest said:

Every Elite except possibly Pernida solos.

  • Gerard dwarfs them in physicals and has The Miracle.
  • Lille‘s faster than all of them and ignores durability.
  • Askins faster than all of them, can become immune to all their magic and poison them.

None of the Elites can be BFR’d and weaker sternritters have tanked Absolute Zero among other things.

Pernida beat kenpachi... it could probably solo this

The best FT feat is the god-tiers scaling from Etherion. These characters don't scale from that... The moment Askin spawns Deluxe it's pretty much over. The others don't have to do much.

And before that could happen, either Dimaria already damaged them using her time stop and time magic or Neinhert created a copy of Yhwach and use Aushwahlen to steal their powers.

Lol no the spriggan gets blitz to hell..

Lol, does the Sterns have feats of blitzing when time is stopped?

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Didn't Natsu move through her Time Stop?

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#35  Edited By LeoTheGreatest

@requiemcross:

Lol, does the Sterns have feats of blitzing when time is stopped?

Time wouldn’t be stopped for them. It’s counter is being considerably above DiMaria in power which they are.

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#36  Edited By Ymirgod

@requiemcross: the Spriggan are like Espada tier honestly. Sternritters in general are far above Espada (Mask de Masculine soloed two captains casually, then got a star boost = 10x stronger, then he got another star boost, then he used vollstandig on top of that....)

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Spriggan. Too much hax.

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@requiemcross:

Lol, does the Sterns have feats of blitzing when time is stopped?

Time wouldn’t be stopped for them. It’s counter is being considerably above DiMaria in power which they are.

An empty statement. So basically, the Stern are featless against Time stopping attacks.

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@ymirgod said:

@requiemcross: the Spriggan are like Espada tier honestly. Sternritters in general are far above Espada (Mask de Masculine soloed two captains casually, then got a star boost = 10x stronger, then he got another star boost, then he used vollstandig on top of that....)

So basically, the Stern are featless against Time stopping attacks. It does not matter how stronger they are, the sterns are helpless when time is stopped.

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There's clearly a limit on the time-stop, it's literally stated that if you're stronger than END (Dunno who that is) then you can move in it.

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The S 12 have the hax to body the elite sternritters but lack the speed to use those hax before they themselves get killed.

Elite Sternritters take this 9/10. Only reason it's not 10/10 is because if the Sternritter screw around, they'll get killed via hax.

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There's clearly a limit on the time-stop, it's literally stated that if you're stronger than END (Dunno who that is) then you can move in it.

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Are you seriously stating that the Stern has the same power as a berserk Etherious Natsu Dragneel at their base? Besides, Natsu has feats of moving on Time stop when he face Zeref and Dimaria. Where are the Sterns feats in moving when time is stopped?

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@diydeath said:

The S 12 have the hax to body the elite sternritters but lack the speed to use those hax before they themselves get killed.

Elite Sternritters take this 9/10. Only reason it's not 10/10 is because if the Sternritter screw around, they'll get killed via hax.

They have no feats of moving when time is stopped at their base. Dimaria's magic is time stop and time magic.

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#44  Edited By Sup3rn0va

@requiemcross said:

@sup3rn0va said:

There's clearly a limit on the time-stop, it's literally stated that if you're stronger than END (Dunno who that is) then you can move in it.

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Are you seriously stating that the Stern has the same power as a berserk Etherious Natsu Dragneel at their base?

I've never read Fairy tail so no idea, but from what I've seen in other Fairy tail threads I would say yes.

Besides, Natsu has feats of moving on Time stop when he face Zeref and Dimaria. Where are the Sterns feats in moving when time is stopped?

You can keep repeating that all you want, fact remains it's pretty much stated that you can move/get unaffected in time stop if you're strong enough.

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@requiemcross said:

@sup3rn0va said:

There's clearly a limit on the time-stop, it's literally stated that if you're stronger than END (Dunno who that is) then you can move in it.

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Are you seriously stating that the Stern has the same power as a berserk Etherious Natsu Dragneel at their base?

I've never read Fairy tail so no idea, but from what I've seen in other Fairy tail threads I would say yes.

Besides, Natsu has feats of moving on Time stop when he face Zeref and Dimaria. Where are the Sterns feats in moving when time is stopped?

You can keep repeating that all you want, fact remains it's pretty much stated that you can move/get unaffected in time stop if you're strong enough.

1. Basing from threads is not actually accurate.

2. Fact remains that the Stern has no feats of moving on stopped time. Giving them feats that they does not have are Fallacy.

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@sup3rn0va said:

@requiemcross said:

@sup3rn0va said:

There's clearly a limit on the time-stop, it's literally stated that if you're stronger than END (Dunno who that is) then you can move in it.

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Are you seriously stating that the Stern has the same power as a berserk Etherious Natsu Dragneel at their base?

I've never read Fairy tail so no idea, but from what I've seen in other Fairy tail threads I would say yes.

Besides, Natsu has feats of moving on Time stop when he face Zeref and Dimaria. Where are the Sterns feats in moving when time is stopped?

You can keep repeating that all you want, fact remains it's pretty much stated that you can move/get unaffected in time stop if you're strong enough.

1. Basing from threads is not actually accurate.

2. Fact remains that the Stern has no feats of moving on stopped time. Giving them feats that they does not have are Fallacy.

Fact remains that the time stop has a major weakness, if you're strong enough you can resist it entirely or at least move in it. If it didn't have this weakness then you'd be right in asking for feats of them resisting time stop attacks, but it does have that weakness.

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@requiemcross: She's also a lot slower than the elite Sternritter. So either she activates it or dies before she activates it. More often than not, she'll die before stopping time.

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@requiemcross said:
@sup3rn0va said:

@requiemcross said:

@sup3rn0va said:

There's clearly a limit on the time-stop, it's literally stated that if you're stronger than END (Dunno who that is) then you can move in it.

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Are you seriously stating that the Stern has the same power as a berserk Etherious Natsu Dragneel at their base?

I've never read Fairy tail so no idea, but from what I've seen in other Fairy tail threads I would say yes.

Besides, Natsu has feats of moving on Time stop when he face Zeref and Dimaria. Where are the Sterns feats in moving when time is stopped?

You can keep repeating that all you want, fact remains it's pretty much stated that you can move/get unaffected in time stop if you're strong enough.

1. Basing from threads is not actually accurate.

2. Fact remains that the Stern has no feats of moving on stopped time. Giving them feats that they does not have are Fallacy.

Fact remains that the time stop has a major weakness, if you're strong enough you can resist it entirely or at least move in it. If it didn't have this weakness then you'd be right in asking for feats of them resisting time stop attacks, but it does have that weakness.

1. That's not a fact since Natsu has feats of moving in stopped time. Does someone managed to resist Dimaria without feats of moving on stopped time? Understand your facts first.

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@diydeath said:

@requiemcross: She's also a lot slower than the elite Sternritter. So either she activates it or dies before she activates it. More often than not, she'll die before stopping time.

They start at their base, the Sterns will be killed or weaken when Dimaria activates her Time magic. They have no knowledge of each other's abilities.

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@requiemcross: That doesn't change anything...Fairy Tail isn't exactly known for it's speed whereas the elite Sternritters via scaling to other characters are all going to be MHS at a bare minimum.

The only way time stop is going to work is if the Sternritter let it happen. Also, the S 12 aren't immune to time stop so freezing time alone isn't going to matter very much. Especially against Gerard.