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#1 Edited by Susanoo (6149 posts) - - Show Bio


Team 1 
 
Peter parker (With Iron Spidey Suit and "Other" Powers) 
 
      
and 
Ben Reilly (Scarlet Spider)
    
 
VS 
  
Team 2 

Venom (Eddie Brock) 
    
 
and

 
Carnage 
    
 
Battlefield : New York 
Distance : 3 Buildings apart 
State of mind : Team 1, Blood Luster due to the Symbiotes killing Aunt May and MJ, Team 2, Like they've always been 
Restrictions : Venom and Carnage's ability to negate Spidey Sense is OFF

Win condition : KO or Death 
 
Who wins?

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#2 Posted by Decoy Elite (30159 posts) - - Show Bio

Symbiotes win both rounds. They're physically superior and much more versatile.

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#3 Posted by Susanoo (6149 posts) - - Show Bio
@Decoy Elite:
There's only one round.
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#4 Posted by Decoy Elite (30159 posts) - - Show Bio
@Susanoo said:
" @Decoy Elite: There's only one round. "
Oh, I saw regular and bloodlusted so I assumed there was two rounds as their no reason to really bloodlust team 2 anyway.
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#5 Posted by Achilles. (3911 posts) - - Show Bio

Symbiotes cause they're more awesome

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#6 Posted by Matezoide2 (16064 posts) - - Show Bio

is this Spider-Man with the Other Powers?

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#7 Posted by Magian (149597 posts) - - Show Bio

Most probably the Symbiotes. Btw cool Symbiotes pics.

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#8 Posted by Death Certificate (5720 posts) - - Show Bio

if peter has his other powers plus the iron suit, it should be nice match eddie  but a prelonged curb stomp for carnage. 
if this is current pete, then it's a stomp for the Symbiotes    

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#9 Posted by Susanoo (6149 posts) - - Show Bio
@Decoy Elite said:
" @Susanoo said:
" @Decoy Elite: There's only one round. "
Oh, I saw regular and bloodlusted so I assumed there was two rounds as their no reason to really bloodlust team 2 anyway. "

Reason i put blood lust on for team 2 is because team 1 might be able to use that to their advantage since spidey tends to fight smart.
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#10 Posted by Susanoo (6149 posts) - - Show Bio
@Death Certificate said:
"if peter has his other powers plus the iron suit, it should be nice match eddie  but a prelonged curb stomp for carnage. if this is current pete, then it's a stomp for the Symbiotes     "

Yes it's the Pete with "Other" powers.
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#11 Edited by Matezoide2 (16064 posts) - - Show Bio
@Death Certificate said:

" if peter has his other powers plus the iron suit, it should be nice match eddie  but a prelonged curb stomp for carnage. if this is current pete, then it's a stomp for the Symbiotes     "

Spider-Man with the other and bloodlusted should slaughter Eddie
and dont come with ''he cant hurt Eddie''....he injured the other Venoms (Angelo Fortunato and Mac Gargan) who are stronger than Eddie Brock
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#12 Posted by progenitorigin (7564 posts) - - Show Bio

IIRC, wasn't there a time Ben managed to physically rip the Venom symbiote off of Brock? It's been a long while since i've read that series.  Since the symbiotes are bloodlusted, though, i'd be inclined to go with them.  As stated, they're more versatile.  That's an awesome pic of Iron Spidey, btw.
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#13 Posted by Susanoo (6149 posts) - - Show Bio
@Matezoide said:
"@Death Certificate said:

" if peter has his other powers plus the iron suit, it should be nice match eddie  but a prelonged curb stomp for carnage. if this is current pete, then it's a stomp for the Symbiotes     "

Spider-Man with the other and bloodlusted should slaughter Eddieand dont come with ''he cant hurt Eddie''....he injured the other Venoms (Angelo Fortunato and Mac Gargan) who are stronger than Eddie Brock "

Sorry but Team 1 does'nt have blood lust. Only team 2.
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#14 Posted by Decoy Elite (30159 posts) - - Show Bio
@Matezoide said:
" @Death Certificate said:

" if peter has his other powers plus the iron suit, it should be nice match eddie  but a prelonged curb stomp for carnage. if this is current pete, then it's a stomp for the Symbiotes     "

Spider-Man with the other and bloodlusted should slaughter Eddieand dont come with ''he cant hurt Eddie''....he injured the other Venoms (Angelo Fortunato and Mac Gargan) who are stronger than Eddie Brock "
Both Gargan and Forunato were borderline retarded with the symbiote. Eddie would have a though time against that version of Spidey but he'd still come out on top. Due to his other abilities(which Gargan and Fortunato didn't use)
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#15 Posted by Death Certificate (5720 posts) - - Show Bio
@Matezoide:
Actually I was gonna point out that eddie's strength was 11 to 15 tons, but wouldn't say it would be a stomp due to eddie knowing how to use powers in greater effect than Angele and Mac i.e. tendrills down the throat. Anyway how do you think pete gonna cope with carnage?
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#16 Posted by Matezoide2 (16064 posts) - - Show Bio
@Decoy Elite said:
" @Matezoide said:
" @Death Certificate said:

" if peter has his other powers plus the iron suit, it should be nice match eddie  but a prelonged curb stomp for carnage. if this is current pete, then it's a stomp for the Symbiotes     "

Spider-Man with the other and bloodlusted should slaughter Eddieand dont come with ''he cant hurt Eddie''....he injured the other Venoms (Angelo Fortunato and Mac Gargan) who are stronger than Eddie Brock "
Both Gargan and Forunato were borderline retarded with the symbiote. Eddie would have a though time against that version of Spidey but he'd still come out on top. Due to his other abilities(which Gargan and Fortunato didn't use) "
they were still stronger and more durable,yet Spider-Man was able to injure then,he should be able to take down Brock
addtionaly,Spider-Man went toe-to-toe with him in ''Spider-Man: Family #2''
and the other Venoms used other powers,Angelo turned invisible and Gargan used trendills
and Brock can lift just 11 tons anyway....it is on his handbook entry,Morpheus got the scan
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#17 Posted by Matezoide2 (16064 posts) - - Show Bio
@Death Certificate said:
" @Matezoide: Actually I was gonna point out that eddie's strength was 11 to 15 tons, but wouldn't say it would be a stomp due to eddie knowing how to use powers in greater effect than Angele and Mac i.e. tendrills down the throat. Anyway how do you think pete gonna cope with carnage? "
meh,i dunno,Spider-Man with the Other became far more powerfull and he got the Iron-Spider costume
as for Carnage....no ideia,who has been able to injure him in the past?
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#18 Posted by Decoy Elite (30159 posts) - - Show Bio
@Matezoide:  Eddie is more prone to sneaking(what Fortunato tried to pull) but is also the most experienced of any sybiote when it comes to combat. Strength is not an issue when Eddie can just use some of the methods of attack that Spidey can't counter(such as slicing open his mask and then stuffing symbiote goo in his mouth until he suffocates)
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@Decoy Elite said:
" @Matezoide:  Eddie is more prone to sneaking(what Fortunato tried to pull) but is also the most experienced of any sybiote when it comes to combat. Strength is not an issue when Eddie can just use some of the methods of attack that Spidey can't counter(such as slicing open his mask and then stuffing symbiote goo in his mouth until he suffocates) "
that is,if he can manage to hit him like that
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#20 Posted by spidey 15 (17883 posts) - - Show Bio
@Matezoide:

   and the other Venoms used other powers,Angelo turned invisible and Gargan used trendills 
 


Brock could do the same to be honest. 
( also i think you mean camouflage instead of invisible ) 
=]
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#21 Posted by Decoy Elite (30159 posts) - - Show Bio
@Matezoide said:
" @Decoy Elite said:
" @Matezoide:  Eddie is more prone to sneaking(what Fortunato tried to pull) but is also the most experienced of any sybiote when it comes to combat. Strength is not an issue when Eddie can just use some of the methods of attack that Spidey can't counter(such as slicing open his mask and then stuffing symbiote goo in his mouth until he suffocates) "
that is,if he can manage to hit him like that "
He can by sneaking up behind Spidey and then pulling off that maneuver.
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#22 Posted by Matezoide2 (16064 posts) - - Show Bio
@spidey 15 said:

" @Matezoide:

   and the other Venoms used other powers,Angelo turned invisible and Gargan used trendills 
 

Brock could do the same to be honest. ( also i think you mean camouflage instead of invisible ) =] "
right on both statements

 @Decoy Elite said:

" @Matezoide said:

" @Decoy Elite said:

" @Matezoide:  Eddie is more prone to sneaking(what Fortunato tried to pull) but is also the most experienced of any sybiote when it comes to combat. Strength is not an issue when Eddie can just use some of the methods of attack that Spidey can't counter(such as slicing open his mask and then stuffing symbiote goo in his mouth until he suffocates) "
that is,if he can manage to hit him like that "
He can by sneaking up behind Spidey and then pulling off that maneuver. "
he cant just sneak on Spider-Man by using camouflage if Spidey was seeing him during the whole fight though :P
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#23 Posted by spidey 15 (17883 posts) - - Show Bio
@Matezoide: =]
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#24 Posted by Decoy Elite (30159 posts) - - Show Bio
@Matezoide: Oh, in the context of this thread? 
 
Carnage kills Ben(mega sad face :() and then the symbiote's double team Spidey.
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#25 Posted by Matezoide2 (16064 posts) - - Show Bio
@Decoy Elite said:
" @Matezoide: Oh, in the context of this thread?   Carnage kills Ben(mega sad face :() and then the symbiote's double team Spidey. "
and thats why Spider-Man's team loses :/
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#26 Posted by Death Certificate (5720 posts) - - Show Bio

@Matezoide: 
Only sentry comes mind, oh yeah a few of the fights between venom and spider-man


 

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#27 Posted by Susanoo (6149 posts) - - Show Bio
@Decoy Elite said:
" @Matezoide: Oh, in the context of this thread?   Carnage kills Ben(mega sad face :() and then the symbiote's double team Spidey. "

Lol don't count Ben out just yet... he did defeat Superboy in a crossover LOLZ :|
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#28 Posted by Silver2467 (16759 posts) - - Show Bio

Symbiotes. 

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#29 Posted by Susanoo (6149 posts) - - Show Bio

bump
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#30 Posted by PirateKing69 (4235 posts) - - Show Bio

with this being spiderman with other powers im going with team Spidey

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#31 Posted by mrtrickster (2846 posts) - - Show Bio

symbiotes, now venom they can hang, carnage is just too much

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#32 Posted by TheCerealKillz (10332 posts) - - Show Bio

WHY NO TOXIN?!??!?!?!

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#33 Posted by Susanoo (6149 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheCerealKillz said:
"WHY NO TOXIN?!??!?!?! "

Cuz with Toxin, it's overkill. Unless your talking about instead of Ben, it would be Toxin...
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#34 Posted by karrob (4305 posts) - - Show Bio

Symbiotes

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#35 Posted by VenomX10 (176 posts) - - Show Bio

Since spidey already knows their weakness, he just needs to send a sonic wave at them and then he and Scarlet Spider and go in for the KO
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#36 Posted by Deadcool (6943 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1... the Symbiotes could be physically more powerful, but they are not that smart...  and both Peter and Ben have defeated Venom in a H2H fight...
And together could easily defeat Carnage...

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#37 Posted by Deadcool (6943 posts) - - Show Bio
@VenomX10:  Why everybody says just sonic Waves?
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#38 Edited by slimj87d (15607 posts) - - Show Bio
@Deadcool said:

" @VenomX10:  Why everybody says just sonic Waves?

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Remember all my scans of Venom resisting fire a few weeks back?
 

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But honestly, Ben's 10 TON class doesn't help here. He could easily get double teamed and killed if Venom and Carnage rushed him.
 
The fight would turn into Spider-man vs both of the symbiotes.
 
Spider-man with his other powers and the Iron Spider suit (which also increases his strength from what I can remember... not sure...) could defeat Venom and Carnage 1 on 1 though.
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#39 Edited by Deadcool (6943 posts) - - Show Bio
@SlimJ87D:  PIS, PIS everywhere... Back in my days a weakness meant something...

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No, the Iron-Spider suit doesn't gives to him more streght...
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#40 Posted by slimj87d (15607 posts) - - Show Bio
@Deadcool said:
" @SlimJ87D:  PIS, PIS everywhere... Back in my days a weakness meant something...

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No, the Iron-Spider suit doesn't gives to him more streght...
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The symbiote itself looks like it's resisting the fire pretty well in those scans. but yeah, I have other scans of Venom bragging about his better resistance to fire too. I think he and the symbiote developed it together throughout their adventures. Venom (Eddie) also went from 11tons to 25tons and I wouldn't be surprised if he surpassed carnage since he has punched and one shotted enemies on Carnage's level like that female carnage look alike. But those were all terribly written arcs that Venom has been apart of for many years.
 
Thanks for clearing up the Iron Spider suit, for some reason I though it made him stronger but it just made him a but more durable.
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#41 Posted by Deadcool (6943 posts) - - Show Bio
@SlimJ87D:  your welcome...
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#42 Posted by KingSolomon (195 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont think anyone has mentioned the most important thing here, team work. Ben and Pete would work together pretty well but carnage and venom work as well together as water and oil. Not to mention the suit and spider sense. I think team work and tech will allow pete and ben to pull this in for a win.

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#43 Posted by 1154802 (81 posts) - - Show Bio

symbioyics

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#44 Posted by Redmonkeyssj4 (1094 posts) - - Show Bio

Unless Spidermen get prep, symbiotes win both round.