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Spider-Man

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Rocket Raccoon

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Rounds

  1. No prep and standard gear
  2. Both have a day of prep time

Rules

  • Morals are on
  • Win by KO/Death/Incapacitation

Location

  • Unpopulated
  • Begin 100 feet apart
  • Fight takes place here:
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Who wins and why?

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If Rocket has tagged people on Petes speed, ill give it to him

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#4  Edited By jashro44

@JetiiMitra said:

This is a fair fight? I don't know anything about RR, but I was under the assumption he's lower street-level.

I saw people saying he'd beat deathstroke in another thread....I'd figure I'd try putting him up against someone a little higher up and see how he does. I suppose it probably would have been smarter to make a gauntlet.

All though if its not fair that's why the prep round is there...

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If Rocket has tagged people on Petes speed, ill give it to him

Has he?

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@jashro44 said:

@oreoassassin said:

If Rocket has tagged people on Petes speed, ill give it to him

Has he?

I think that he's tagged Sam before,but I could definitely be wrong. So don't quote me on that note

But anyway,Rocket brings a lot to the table here:

Guns that cause explosions that would put Michael Bay to shame

A high intellect and tactical mind (and I mean,a VERY tactical mind)

Rockets that allow flight and increased agility.

He can probably win if he keeps his distance.

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im trying to think... i definitely want to say Rocket Racoon but for some reason i cant do it... ugg i need to research more

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@jashro44: No idea. I just started Guardians due to Venoms joining so hopefully i can learn more as the series continues

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RR. Peter gets one-shot.

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this is spite.

Spider man is too fast and strong for rocket.

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RR. Peter gets one-shot.

woah lets tone it back now... its hard for any street leveler and some mid-tiers to claim that they can one shot peter. how does RR one shot him?

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RR. Peter gets one-shot.

this is spite.

Spider man is too fast and strong for rocket.

These opinions are so contradictory...

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@jashro44 said:

@night4345 said:

RR. Peter gets one-shot.

@injusticeforall said:

this is spite.

Spider man is too fast and strong for rocket.

These opinions are so contradictory...

He made a typo.

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#17  Edited By FukYouRenchamp

*sigh*, Everytime I attempt to post it keeps giving me an error.

Rocket has tagged the likes of Nova, who in that previous comic was able to go from the moon and back by the time someone said a single word

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#18  Edited By FukYouRenchamp

Rocket stomps really, hes tagged the likes of Nova.

Credit to @tparks

Intelligence / Master Strategist / Leader Feats

Starlord recruited Rocket Raccoon to the Guardians of the Galaxy to be the tactical and demolitions expert for the team. Starlord claims that Rocket Raccoon is the best strategist he has met in the entire universe. Rocket acts as either Second or First in command for the Guardians of the Galaxy depending on the roster and situation, but is always involved in strategy.

Rocket being recruited by Starlord. "Best tactical mind"

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Rocket gets in a bar fight with a bunch of Badoon. Rocket shoots the Ale barrels to draw a crowd so him and Groot can escape

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Rocket plans a strategy to successfully infiltrate the Phalanx infected Babel Spire, and take it out of commission. This was the first blow to the Phalanx that made Ultron vulnerable to defeat from outside reinforcements. Rocket's first of many times saving the universe.

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Rocket predicts the break up of the Guardians of the Galaxy before it happens

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Rocket leads the Guardians of the Galaxy

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Tricks Gladiator into thinking he has a canon designed to kill Strontians. Gladiator loses his confidence from it which leaves him weakened long enough for the team to rescue Lilandra. Rocket single handedly took out Gladiator with nothing but a mop handle.

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Rocket comes up with a plan to rescue Moon Dragon from the Universal Church of Truth. They are way too outnumbered by extremely high powered UCT members, so he crashes Knowhere into the center of them which left them faithless so the team can rescue Moon Dragon from distracted weakened UCT members. Rocket was also smart enough to learn how to fly the celestial head and attack with lasers from the head very quickly.

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Rocket and Starlord talk strategy on how to save the universe yet again.

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Rocket shows his intelligence by preventing the Guardians from killing Thanos. Killing Thanos would have had sever consequences to the Universe and Rocket was the only one intelligent enough to predict these consequences.

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Rocket saves Starlord's life from Thanos. Rocket has the means to kill Thanos, but threatens instead to put Thanos in a coma that will last eternity. Rocket knows Thanos would welcome death. Rocket is one of the few characters of the Marvel U who can claim he made Thanos feel fear. He was able to subdue Thanos and allow the Guardian's powerful telepaths to restraing him.

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Rocket tricks the security of the Keyston Quadrant so him and Groot can break in.

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Rocket comes up with a plan in an instant to use a Badoon ship he hijacked, to self destruct while crashing into another Badoon ship taking them both out.

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Rocket plans and executes a stealth mission with Starlord to save Abigail Brand when S.W.O.R.D. is taken over from Thanos' army.

Accuracy Feats

Here Rocket helps Hulk out by shooting over Hulk's shoulder to take out a robotic clown. This also shows off his rocket skates. The fast moving rocket skates make the shot that much harder. And look! Even the Hulk is impressed. lol.

From Incredible Hulk (v1) #271 (1982)
From Incredible Hulk (v1) #271 (1982)

Rocket fights a large sized swarm of robotic clowns on his own. He shows off his accuracy while moving at high speeds with his rocket skates. The second scan even shows him making kill shots without even needing to look where he is aiming.

From Rocket Raccoon #1 (1985)
From Rocket Raccoon #1 (1985)
From Rocket Raccoon #1 (1985)
From Rocket Raccoon #1 (1985)

Rocket shoots the gun out of his opponents hand.

From Rocket Raccoon #3 (1985)
From Rocket Raccoon #3 (1985)

Rocket makes another kill shot without needing to look where he's aiming, while at the same time using his rocket skate as a ranged weapon to take out his enemy's ship. He does this all while moving at high speeds with his other rocket skate.

From Rocket Raccoon #4 (1985)
From Rocket Raccoon #4 (1985)

Rocket makes several perfectly aimed shots to shoot the ale barrels behind his opponents without accidentally hitting his opponents he was trying to avoid but not kill. This wouldn't normally be extremely impressive, but he does this during a feat of acrobatics to dodge gunfire.

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Rocket and Groot are able to shoot down a Space Ship at long range.

If you look at the previous scan before they shot the ship, you can see how fast Rocket and Groot's ship was travelling. The ship they shot was able to catch up with them, so it must be a fast moving ship that they were able to shoot at that long of a range while traveling through space with jet packs. Look at their path from the jet pack too, they were flying in a swirling motion which would also make aiming more difficult.

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Rocket blows the head off of a Phalanx creature without damaging Bug and then kills two more while in mid dive Max Payne style

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Rocket takes shoots down a fast moving mechanical bird while driving a fast moving speeder bike.

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Rocket fires with both guns and arms crossed. Both are head shots and he is not even looking in the direction he is firing.

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Rocket shoots the incredibly fast Sam Alexander at a far distance while training the young Nova

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Rocket kills the entire force of Badoon soldiers on a Badoon ship. He shoots all kill shots while flying with his rocket pack. Some of the shots he makes he is not even looking in the direction of his target.

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Hand to Hand Feats

This isn't what Rocket is known for, but he's not one to shy away from a fight, and there are a few occasions of him fighting without an unfeasibly large gun.

I don't have much to put here yet, but if you look above at one of my previous posts, you can see a pretty good showing of his melee ability against a wooden clown. (Clowns sure do hate Rocket)

Rocket Raccoon uses his rocket skates to amplify a punch on Bucky O'Hare. (Bucky O'Hare is the best bounty hunter of the Keystone Quadrant)

From Incredible Hulk (v1) #271 (1982)
From Incredible Hulk (v1) #271 (1982)

Rocket takes his opponent to the floor and mauls his face.

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Rocket does an acrobatic leap from above Groot's head. On his way down he swings a bottle at someone and takes them out during a bar fight.

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Rocket does a huge leap and kicks a Spartax soldier in the face while holding a giant Cannon with one hand

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Rocket tackles a much larger opponent

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Durability / Toughness Feats

Durability is not really something that defines Rocket. There is only going to be a few feats that can be pulled from this, because Rocket is such a smart and agile fighter, he never really gets hit.

Rocket takes a heat vision blast to his helmet. His helmet is tough enough to hold up to the punishment until Hulk comes in for the save.

From Incredible Hulk (v1) #271 (1982)
From Incredible Hulk (v1) #271 (1982)

Side note: I would love a Hulk and Rocket team-up miniseries. Hulk's issue is really what brought Rocket into the Marvel U. Hulk comics are also the reason Groot is at where he is today so it kind of seems fitting for a short series. Rocket and Hulk's banter would be hillarious, and I would love to see a Hulk vs Groot rematch.

Rocket is thrown at high speeds into a hard metal pipe by StarHawk and says nothing but "Mng!" and shows no damage.

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Rocket gets shot in the arm. The next issue (which takes place immediately after this scan) he is still fighting like it never happened.

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Rocket takes a shot from Gladiator and is left with no visible damage

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Rocket fires a single shot from his 5-barreled cannon at Angela. She deflects the shot back at him, but he is able to tank the pain and fight through it. Later, Drax is hit with it, and even Drax shows that it hurts him. Rocket was more worried about his buddy Groot being ok, so he didn't have time to show pain.

Rocket's Agility / Strength

Rocket uses his rocket skates and dodges bombs from a robot clown and forces the clown to destroy the drakillar.

From Rocket Raccoon #2 (1985)
From Rocket Raccoon #2 (1985)
From Rocket Raccoon #2 (1985)
From Rocket Raccoon #2 (1985)

Rocket is carrying a huge gun but is still able to make high acrobatic jumps while firing. He's fighting the Universal Church of Truth here too, which if you don't know about them, has given a team of the Annihilators and Avengers combined trouble.

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Another feat of Rocket making High acrobatic jumps while firing a huge gun.

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Rocket jumps to a hanging light at high elevations and swings to avoid gunfire. He is able to take several perfectly aimed shots while landing on his side on the floor. To see the page before and after with the result of his shooting, check the Intel/Strategy/Leader section.

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Rocket hi-jacks a space ship.

Rocket is able to travel through space with a jet pack, perfectly time landing on a fast moving ship (see accuracy feats to see why it is fast moving), and keep himself steady enough to not slip off while landing. He was even steady enough to be able to aim his huge rifle at the pilot's head.

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Rocket is strong enough to carry the body weight of the much larger Gamora

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Rocket acrobatically leaps from Groot, to a Phalanx droid, to Bug's shoulders.

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More of Rocket jumping incredibly acrobatic and high all while firing an unfeasibly large gun

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Rocket does an acrobatic leap from above Groot's head, on his way down he uses a bottle to take someone out during a bar fight.

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Dodges fire from the Cancerverse versions of War Machine and Hawkeye

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Rocket uses acrobatic jumps to dodge fire from clowns and moving through the battlefield while hitting head shot after head shot with both guns.

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Rocket and Groot break into the Keystone Quadrant. Rocket shows off his acrobatic and fighting skill and kills more clowns.

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Rocket dodges Nova force shots

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Rocket shows off his strength, agility, acrobatics, and fighting skills by holding a giant cannon with one hand, making a huge jump, and kicking a Spartax Soldier in the face.

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Rocket dodges a massive laser blast.

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Rockets Equipment

Rocket has some awesome equipment. This will be a constant work in progress

Ever wonder how Rocket and Groot have the resources to get all this great gear? Turns out their LOADED...

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Rocket's Ship: The Rack 'n Ruin

From Rocket Raccoon #1 (1985)
From Rocket Raccoon #1 (1985)

Rocket's ship has detection equipment that can bypass security

From Rocket Raccoon #2 (1985)
From Rocket Raccoon #2 (1985)

Rocket Skates

Rocket uses his rocket skates mostly in combat. He is able to move at high speeds. He even uses them to maneuver in fights while he is in space. He is able to change direction quickly and dodge enemy fire.

Rocket uses his rocket skates to head into battle, and uses the energy off of his right foot as a projectile weapon.

From Rocket Raccoon #4 (1985)
From Rocket Raccoon #4 (1985)

Rocket Pack

Rocket substitutes his skates for a jet pack for space flight when he joined the Guardians.

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Pretty Impressive that his Rocket Pack can carry both him and the much larger Gamora

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Rocket has a new space suit and rocket pack.

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Laser Pistols

These are the weapons Rocket carries as sidearms to his heavier artillery.

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Modified Laser Pistols

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It looks like Rocket modified his pistols at some point before his Marvel Now initial appearance

These have the power to decapitate a Badoon

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Unfeasibly Large Laser Pistol

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Another Big Laser Pistol

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Heavier Guns

Mini-Gun

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Apparently it has a stun setting too

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Giant Plasma Rifle

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Another Huge Rifle

This one is able to put down a Templar of the Church of Universal Truth. These guys have put up a fight with Powerhouses like Gladiator, Quasar, Beta Ray Bill, Red Hulk, and Iron Man. Notice how even Starlord's Kree submachine guns won't hurt him, but one shot from Rocket is enough to put him out.

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B-OO-M Meson Beam Gun

This gun packs enough punch to take out a space ship and a huge whole in a wall, and completely decapitate a robot. (This ended up being a simulated TV show, but it's revealed later that the vehicles and weapons were real).

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Reasonably Sized Plasma Rifle

Even though this one isn't quite as hefty as his other guns, it still looks like it packs a pretty big punch.

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Groot Mounted Cannon

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Large Pistols

Blows the head off of a Phalanx creature

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Giant Plasma Rifle 2

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Giant Plasma Rifle 3

Strong enough to take out forces of the Negative Zone with ease

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Unfeasibly Large Cannon

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Cosmic Shotgun

This thing packs enough punch to take out the Cancerverse Son of Satan from the Defenders

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Cannon

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Reasonably Sized Plasma Rifle 2

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5 Barreled Cannon

This thing puts a huge hole in the side of a Badoon ship

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Blasts a hole clean through a chest to save Gamora

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Wrist Mounted Blaster

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Explosives

Rocket's able to take out an extra-dimensional creature that the combined powers of Adam Warlock and Quasar (Phyla-Vel) were unable to contain on their own.

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Tech Ability

Rocket hijacks a ship, reverses the polarity of the tracking system so the ship is blind to even the Phalanx's systems, and uses the blowback of the ship's sub-space drive to kill off a bunch of Phalanx droids.

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Rocket is able to learn how to fly the head of the celestial now known as Knowhere and attack with it.

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Rocket constantly makes even Tony Stark seem less capable with technology.

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Rocket repairs the Iron Man armor

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Rocket takes over a Badoon ship and is able to instantly decipher the tech and set it to self destruct.

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Rocket shows off his tech to Tony Stark. Rocket's tech is repeatedly better then Stark Tech

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Rocket hacks into a Spartex ship so Starlord can deliver a message to all Spartoi Forces

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Rocket again amazes Tony with his tech, by repairing his broken armor

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Rocket demonstrates that his ship is more advanced then both Iron Man's armor and a Quin Jet by being able to monitor Earth from across the Galaxy and being able to travel that distance in seconds. He then shows that his computer system takes files from every Authoritative Database in the Galaxy, so he has files on pretty much every individual and species in the Galaxy.

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Enhanced Senses

Rocket being a Raccoon and all, has a few senses that would be considered super human.

Rocket uses his enhanced sense of smell to detect the presence of a robotic clown and a drakillar.

From Rocket Raccoon #2 (1985)
From Rocket Raccoon #2 (1985)
From Rocket Raccoon #2 (1985)
From Rocket Raccoon #2 (1985)
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#20  Edited By jashro44

*sigh*, Everytime I attempt to post it keeps giving me an error.

Rocket has tagged the likes of Nova, who in that previous comic was able to go from the moon and back by the time someone said a single word

Impressive.

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#22  Edited By jashro44

@pr0metheus: I have heard the new nova isn't very good with his powers. Also it looks like he did catch sam off guard there.

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What @pr0metheus said. Thanks for pulling that up, I couldn't.

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Spidey gets murdered :(

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Skimming through the scans I still don't believe this is a stomp personally. All though I am tired and I haven't looked at them in detail....

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@jashro44 said:

@pr0metheus: I have heard the new nova isn't very good with his powers. Also it looks like he did catch sam off guard there.

Sam is still a new character and is inexperience compare to Richard Rider.

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@homicidalmaniac said:

@jashro44 said:

@pr0metheus: I have heard the new nova isn't very good with his powers. Also it looks like he did catch sam off guard there.

Sam is still a new character and is inexperience compare to Richard Rider.

I know. His showings in general seem pretty bad from what I have seen. He struggled with some slime monster in new warriors IIRC.

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@jashro44 said:

@homicidalmaniac said:

@jashro44 said:

@pr0metheus: I have heard the new nova isn't very good with his powers. Also it looks like he did catch sam off guard there.

Sam is still a new character and is inexperience compare to Richard Rider.

I know. His showings in general seem pretty bad from what I have seen. He struggled with some slim monster in new warriors IIRC.

Sam just still need more time to get overall better than as he is now.

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@homicidalmaniac: Yea I agree with that. Maybe given time he will improve but at the moment he has a long way to go....At least if new warriors is any indication.

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Rocket is like Tony Stark, with his gear he is well above street. With the amount of collateral damage his weapons cause he really doesn't need a direct hit. His weapons have actually hurt guys like Thanos. He's arguably the best tactical mind in Marvel, and definitely one of the best. I like Peter more but Rocket really has the edge here unless they start very close to one another. Basically everything that @pr0metheus posted about him should suffice.

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@jashro44: I agree and Sam's Nova comic is pretty good IMO.The first couple of issue were written by Jeph Loeb and honestly it was one of his better runs in Marvel.

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#36  Edited By tparks

@jashro44 said:

@oreoassassin said:

If Rocket has tagged people on Petes speed, ill give it to him

Has he?

I think that he's tagged Sam before,but I could definitely be wrong. So don't quote me on that note

But anyway,Rocket brings a lot to the table here:

Guns that cause explosions that would put Michael Bay to shame

A high intellect and tactical mind (and I mean,a VERY tactical mind)

Rockets that allow flight and increased agility.

He can probably win if he keeps his distance.

He's shot faster from a very long distance.

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Those ships were moving at a high speed, because they were able to catch up to Rocket's ship the page before. You can see how small they are in the picture compared to Rocket, so you can tell that they are a long distance away too.

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Spidey might win round 1. RR definitely takes Round 2. He's a better strategist plus the tech he can assemble would surely lock in a win.

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@jashro44: I agree and Sam's Nova comic is pretty good IMO.The first couple of issue were written by Jeph Loeb and honestly it was one of his better runs in Marvel.

All right I'll have to check it out than. Thank you for the info.

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Bump.

Can't Spidey just get Iron Spider suit?

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RR gets out his favourite gun...

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Probably Raccoon.

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@kidman560: @jashro44: This is a common misconception between many people. Rocket is definitely above street level. He has guns that have a blast radius of 15 feet, and he has crazy accuracy feats(hitting a fast-moving robot bird on a fast-moving speeder bike). He has the skill and the firepower to take this one.

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@kidman560: @jashro44: This is a common misconception between many people. Rocket is definitely above street level. He has guns that have a blast radius of 15 feet, and he has crazy accuracy feats(hitting a fast-moving robot bird on a fast-moving speeder bike). He has the skill and the firepower to take this one.

A blast radius of 15 feet doesn't seem that large to me honestly. And can you describe more details in regards to that accuracy feat?

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Rocket actually beats Spider man. Ffs.

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#45  Edited By GraniteSoldier

I will, sadly, back Rocky.

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@leo-343 said:

Rocket actually beats Spider man. Ffs.

What makes you say that? I don't think Rocket has the experience with someone as agile as spider-man.

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Spiderman takes this one with easy

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#48  Edited By Leo-343

@jashro44: That's true but I think he's got the tactics and firepower to over come Spidey's agility eventually, he's matching him in intelligence so I don't think he'll let Spiderman get in close, If Rocket keeps the fight long range he'll eventually tag him with his plethora of weaponry, spidey can dodge and evade but I think he'll eventually get tagged.

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Peter gets killed again

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@leo-343 said:

@jashro44: That's true but I think he's got the tactics and firepower to over come Spidey's agility eventually, he's matching him in intelligence so I don't think he'll let Spiderman get in close, If Rocket keeps the fight long range he'll eventually tag him with his plethora of weaponry, spidey can dodge and evade but I think he'll eventually get tagged.

What sorts of tactics has he shown to deal with spider-man? Rocket can win if he keeps his distance but spider-man has faced lots of different flyers over the years (various goblins and vultures, and others) and its not like Peter has no means to get close (webbing). And I think he has the accuracy feats to tag Rocket eventually.