Speedster team vs Xmen

Barry Allen, Wally West, Bart Allen, Jay Garrick and Max Mercury

Vs

Logan, Kitty Pryde, Jean grey(phoenix), Psyloke, Storm, Rogue, Cyclops, Iceman, Nightcrawler and Elixr

Morals off

All bloodlusted

Barry has 2weeks of prep

Bump

The Speedsters would probably stomp if not for the Phoenix.

Don't most speedsters travel faster than light and even further? It'd be a stomp without exaggeration.

Jean and Bobby are the only factors for the team

@bowlt_swagg_320: nightcrawler?

Even morals off, most members of team speed wouldn't kill. The team with Phoenix Jean wins.

They can't do anything to Iceman. Not that it matters. Most other members of the X-Men team are fodders, yet Jean is more than powerful enough to turn them into space dust. Also why are you constantly giving Barry Allen prep? Barry has like zero prep feats worth mentioning.

@krleavenger: cuz he is a skilled detective and can like gather info on the mutants he's gonna fight.

People are sleeping on Elixir here, as of current Marvel, that guy can resurrect himself whenever he wishes as well as anyone else here as well, he also has the opposite of that power as well, his "death" power, - in simple terms he manipulates life-force either to heal/resurrect or kill the person.

uhh what

Phoenix solos

@mohdali2805: It's true that Barry is skilled cop and pretty intelligent scientist (forensic scientist), but how is he suppose to gather information about mutants? It's not like he has some advanced tech that just allows him to figure out everything that he has to know about these characters. How is he suppose to gather info on them? The only way to do it is to steal data from somebody else, and that would require outside help (which breaks regular forum rules) and the fact that Barry would known who has full data on the X-Men. And he does not, so it is impossible for him to do anything worth the damn with prep. If you just wanted to give Barry all the knowledge he has on the X-Men, just say "Full Knowledge".

Wolverine solos

Wally West solos like a Boss.

Phoenix

@lord_spectrum: mind posting the scans of those abilities for that Elixir guy? and what's stopping wally from speed stealing him leaving him motionless or IMP?

@krleavenger: oh okay I'll do that

Sure.

Uncanny X-Men V4 #2 - Brings back to life bunch of people and Monet notes that he couldn't do that before.

Uncanny X-Men V4 Annual #1 - Resurrects himself off-panel.

Resurrects one of the Dark Riders and kills him off, time and time again, as a form of torture.

Gallery

Saps the life out of surrounding people as well as Monet, Sabertooth and Magneto, turning them into near-dead skeletons (or actually dead, depending on person's interpretation), and in the end returns them all back to normal.

Gallery

Uncanny X-Men V4 #19 -Resurrects the dead Magneto.

Gallery

New Mutants V2 #11 - Returns Wolsbane her lost powers, - it's possible that he can not only return powers but also shut down them.

New Mutants V2 #12 - Can manipulate person's biology on genetic level.

Turns himself "golden".

Gallery

New X-Men #40 - Kills Belasco with a touch, who is a very powerful demonic being.

Note:Elixir in current Marvel doesn't need to touch to his opponent to kill him, as of now he needs is to think as showcased in his recent appearances.

X-Force #8 - Creates an X-shaped tumour on Tell Porter's brain.

Gallery

Speed stealing is not really effective against him, since Elixir's powers as of now work by the method of mental ways, basically he thinks and his powers work, while speed stealing was never showcased to slow down minds, just leaving body motionless, so in short it ain't stopping him

Plus, Elixir can manipulate his body and others on genetic level and more, pretty sure he can shrugg it off or heal over (he has transmuted his skin to golden one, pretty sure that type of power can work here as well), and Elixir's powers work also by producing bio-molecular energy, so basically this could act as a replacement or "healing over" of the stolen energy.

As for IMP, those are also not useful, since Elixir can simply heal over, or if he dies, simply resurrect himself, - he is literally immortal.

X-Men due to the Phoenix.

@lord_spectrum: You gotta remember, Speed Steal also works on the brain. Slow the brain's function to a halt. Wallace West demonstrated it on Dr. Alchemy. But only slowed a portion of his brain to knock him out via pain.

Phoenix solos.

This is Wallace West, not Wally West or other Flashes who are mentioned in this thread, none of them showed this same ability, thus not relevant in this discussion.

Also, Elixir has shown ability to manipulate his own brain chemistry on genetic level (New X-Men #28), which by default makes this type of ability not relevant as well.

@lord_spectrum: 1. How far is his range??? Can he do it from like another planet or solar system and kill a person on earth???

2. What about speedforce dump? By the time he could even get a single synapse to fire

3. speed force slows down the body meaning synapses so if they're slowed down, he can't make a single thought. Idk what this guy can do if he's too slow that wally leaves him in suspended animation

1. No, not even close, his range is not that big, basically ther person should be rather close as in like in the same building or room.

2. It would work, since he has no teleportation powers to return, though this option gets compensated by Phoenix Force Jean, who can teleport.

Again, Wally has never showcased slowing down synapses, he has speed stolen Inertia (Bart's clone), but his mind and synapses were working just fine, only his body was motionless.

And again, Elixir can manipulate his own brain chemistry on genetic level, making this whole thing irrelevant.

@lord_spectrum: How does he even see let alone react to Wally? Remember Wally's MMMFTL in combat, he'd be a statue from wally perspective

Also So Wally can slow down the body but not internal organs? So how does that work? The blood and the synapses are moving normal speed while the body is moving in slow motion explain

Sure, it would take lots of time for him to attack Wally, but given Elixir's poweset, he will be able to do so, sure he will die like 10000s time and more, but he will come back, time and time again and once he gains his advantage, he'll kill them. The only way they could put him down is via BFR to speed force, there is no other option for them here.

Also you are applying too much science to comic books, on panel feats Wally has never showcased ability to slow down synapses (no that it would be usefull against a guy, who can manipulate his own brain chemistry on genetic level), and on top of that you are applying too much real world science on these guys, and remember Speed Force doesn't follow the same laws of physics, so it doing things that doesn't make sense in terms of RL physics, actual make sense, since it follows different laws.

@lord_spectrum:

folley altered his own brain (not on any genetic level which was never mentioned) stop making up words. as a direct result from killing striker that left him in a hospital bed for days, how exactly does that prove he doesn't have his brain slow down?

nowhere does it confirm he's able to manipulate his own brain as a direct side effect from killing stryker


"hopefully his mind will heal itself"

(3rd scan) ^

@boogie123:

folley altered his own brain (not on any genetic level which was never mentioned) stop making up words

Except, it was precisely explained, that he manipulates and induces changes on one's body on genetic level, that's how his powers work on regular basis, it's as if you skipped the post where posted the scan of that.

as a direct result from killing striker that left him in a hospital bed for days, how exactly does that prove he doesn't have his brain slow down?

He was in hospital not because he was weakened, but because he turned "dark", in that state he is unstable and kills everyone on sight, as shown pretty much well everytime.

Also, him killing Stryker is not exactly what altered his brain, rather his transformation into his dark form is what did, and remember he can alter his form whenever he wants, as in everytime he kills or wants to kill someone, see my previous posts for those scans.

how exactly does that prove he doesn't have his brain slow down?

The fact that he can alter his brain chemistry at will? Slowing down his brain would be just for few moment,s due to being able to manipulate his own brain chemistry he will just heal over and shrugg of that effect.

nowhere does it confirm he's able to manipulate his own brain as a direct side effect from killing stryker

Umm...dunno what you are saying here, but scan does explain, that he manipulated his own brain chemistry, so your point here?

"hopefully his mind will heal itself"

(3rd scan) ^

Sure, him healing from being unstable, in that state he is dangerous and doesn't control his actions.

@lord_spectrum: and speed force shown to actually speed up the brain, to assume it can't slow it down aswell is retarded since it's what speed force does.... it slows and speeds up objects and living organisions, just like how here Barry speeds up his own brain using the speed forc eto learn how to use Hal ring

@boogie123:

It's cool and all, except, it is speculation from your part to claim that they can slow down one's brain, when they have no actual feats of doing so, and that's what matters here really.

@lord_spectrum: "slowing down his brain would be just for a few moments"

No it would be for years or centuries if wally wanted to we've seen him slow down inertia to a stand still and it states it would take him years just to even blink

It wouldn't be centuries, since as i have already explained many times, due to his power to alter his brain chemistry and basically his own body on genetic level, he will just shrugg it off.

Also Inertia didn't get his brain slown down, just his body, and blinking is still moving your body, just like moving your hand, just saying, Inertia didn't showcase that his brain was slowed down.

@lord_spectrum: I knew Elixr is powerful but I didn't know he was that powerful

@lord_spectrum: Inertia brain wasn't slowed down flash stated he was at the pinnacle of the speed force energy and used it to make inertia's body slow down to the point he would take 1 century to blink while having his mind work normal so he'll be forced to stare at Bart statue in the museum forever.

@boogie123: I agree that no one on the team should even see Wally. Much less react to him. Except Phoenix.

@lord_spectrum: but given Elixir's poweset, he will be able to do so, sure he will die like 10000s time and more.

Then Elixer loses. Death is a victory on the forums. So once Elixer dies... he lost. Same with a KO. You'll wake up eventually. But it's to late. You already lost.

Speedsters

Well, he is an omega-level mutant after all, those guys always has some kind of HAX, one way or another.

You pretty much said what i said, - his brain was not slowed down.

So anyways, this whole point is simple, - they have no feats of them using this type of HAX, thus it is irrelevant point, i could make point of Elixir being able to shut down their speed powers, but since he has never done so, i ain't making such point, it's matter of feats in this case, in which none of them have it to support the notion that they can slow down one's brain.

Except, Elixir can resurrect instantly, so how come this is a loss?

@warlockmage:

It'd be interesting if Ben Stiller really was cast as the new MCU Wolverine.

i actually could see it, but i think there are better options out there

@lord_spectrum: There is nothing in the rules that say " it doesn't count if you come back to life."

If you die. You lose. The rules have never changed in that regard.

But in this case he comes back to life pretty much immideatly, this is not your traditional immortal character, and plus how we define death by default really, if you are just dead a few seconds and then come back, you ain't dead, nor should count as such really. And also how rules define death in another way also matters i.e. permanent death or just temporary.

Though i would like that OP specified it - @mohdali2805

@lord_spectrum: you are just dead a few seconds and then come back, you ain't dead,..

Hopefully the OP responds. But if he has to resurrect himself...that means he was dead. You can't resurrect something that's not dead. The length of death doesn't change the fact he died.

Regardless what if they IMP him? That won't kill him. Just KO him. Can ELIXER use his powers while unconscious?

@lord_spectrum: Also, can he reform if his body is destroyed? Not to familiar with Elixer

IMP would kill him, not KO, he may look golden metallic, but his durability is not that high. And all of the people are bloodlusted here, so the KO is not their choice, the killing is the choice.

As for unconscious power, that's how his resurrection works, he subconsciously resurrects himself and heals himself.

Hopefully the OP responds. But if he has to resurrect himself...that means he was dead. You can't resurrect something that's not dead. The length of death doesn't change the fact he died.

Fair enough, i guess.

Destroyed in what way?

So far he has showcased regrowing limbs like heart and other things, plus his powers works on genetic level, so as long as there is some form of biological material there, he could heal over.

His CV bio claims that he manipulates organic matter on sub-atomic level, though i have no scan saying that.

many x-men are non factors here. But I don't see how they kill the phoenix or iceman

@lord_spectrum: Has Elixir reformed from anything like this:

https://goo.gl/images/rbs5ZC