Spectrum vs Invisible Woman

Monica Rambeau Spectrum, AKA Captain Marvel 2, aka Photon,make so on, whom remembers all?

Susan Storm, Invisible Woman, formerly Invisible Girl

In character, no prep, fight in the blue area of the moon, Vic by any mean

Afaik spectrum easily

Spectrum wins.

that scan makes Monica look so edgy, all swearing and whatnot.

OT: Not sure what Sue's reaction time is like

@blackestnight93: not fast enough to dodge anything from the EM Spectrum Monica has. IW is at best massively hypersonic with some feats I've seen but I don't know if they're consistent tho.

Spectrum

Monica has always been pretty feisty to be honest. Sue doesn't have the speed feats to even see Monica.

She allegedly once displayed light speed reaction time, but lightning aren't light speed and I'm sure it was further than what the other guy believed, hence I say peak human

Spectrum.

Spectrum stomps

Monica by a landslide

I am actually confused here. If Monica is pure energy and can't be physically destroyed, even if she stands still and do nothing, can Invisible woman hurt her?

How fast can Monica shift into her energy forms consistently? How durable is Monica in her energy forms?

Monica can only win if she can shift into an energy form that's fast enough and blitz Sue otherwise Sue can just contain and compress any energy Monica shift into.

Monica stomps.

Blitzes

How? Sue can oneshot Monica before she can turn into her light form since the OP doesn't say she starts in her light form plus she's never getting through Sue's force field

@scarlet_wiccan: why would you assume Sue can one shot before Monica can think? Both their abilities work off thought, Sue doesn't have feats to say she has a faster thought process than someone who can perceive things in light speed.

Monica can turn intangible, invisible, shrink into a persons eyes and blast their brain, and not to mention operate at light speed. She quite easily stomps this. She's overpowered.

Do you have scans of Monica perceiving light in her human form? Because IIRC Monica takes on the properties of the energy she turns into so if she's in her light form she can perceive light.

Monica can turn intangible, invisible, shrink into a persons eyes and blast their brain, and not to mention operate at light speed. She quite easily stomps this. She's overpowered.

I'm well aware of Monica's capabilities but how is she getting past Sue's force field that blocks virtually all forms of energy?

@scarlet_wiccan: you first have to show me why I even need to provide scans for that when Sue doesn't have any feats to warrant you thinking she can one shot before Monica forms a single thought process.

Unless you're telling me Sue will stay in her defensive bubble for a stalemate she'll eventually drop her shield to go on the offense and will proceed to get stomped.

Not to mention you have to explain to me why she won't get blitzed before she can even protect herself.

@sonofmadara:

you first have to show me why I even need to provide scans for that when Sue doesn't have any feats to warrant you thinking she can one shot before Monica forms a single thought process.

Sue can instinctively activate her powers, instinctive means faster than a conscious thought...

Sue Instinctively shields herself from laser fire that the rest of the Fantastic Four were unable to react to. (X-Men (1963) Annual #5)

Sue instinctively puts up a force field before Quicksilver can reach her. The narrator states that it's as instinctive as drawing a breath for Sue to put up her force field. Fantastic Four (1961) #240)

Sue instinctively covers her body with a force field while simultaneously making her casual clothes invisible and her uniform underneath visible. (Fantastic Four (1961) #259)

Sue instinctively surrounds herself with a force field at the sound of a man's voice behind her. (Fantastic Four (1961) #287)

Sue instinctively hurls a barrage of force daggers. (Fantastic Four (1961) #378)

Sue instinctively knocks back a group of inhumans with a blast of force. (Fantastic Four (1961) #401)

Sue instinctively tries to surround Mister Fantastic with a force field. (Fantastic Four (1961) #412)

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Sue instinctively puts up a force field at the sound of gunfire. (Fantastic Four (1998) #33)

Sue instinctively puts up her force field to shield herself from symbiotes. (Fantastic Four (2018) #29)

Unless you're telling me Sue will stay in her defensive bubble for a stalemate she'll eventually drop her shield to go on the offense and will proceed to get stomped

You do realize Sue can create multiple force fields at a time? And she can defend and attack at the same time.

As for stamina, Sue has shielded an Atlantean city at the bottom of the ocean from constant bombardment for more than an entire day and after that she could still casually floor Namor with a punch...

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Not to mention you have to explain to me why she won't get blitzed before she can even protect herself.

Monica has to consciously shift into her light form to attack whereas Sue can instinctively protect herself before she can even think about it.

@scarlet_wiccan: I'll get back to you when I have time with a scan showing Monica's human form actually isn't her base form. She has to consciously turn into human form. Her base form is light. I think that scan alone will put all this to bed.

I just have to find the scan, it's in the Ultimates comics so I'll have to read through it again.

I think you're referring to Monica's amp...

She was turned into living energy (1) losing connection with her humanity increasing her limts to her abilities however six years later in Avengers No Road Home #10 she gained her humanity back reverting her back to her base power levels. (2)

They did her dirty by giving her an amp for six years and just casually remove it, Hopefully she gets some great feats in her solo next year because she's really underrated and should be pushed more by Marvel instead of some female characters that I shall not name, lol

@scarlet_wiccan: First, you mind to tell me if Sue's FF can be absorbed?

@scarlet_wiccan: I'm not talking about that amp, I'll show you the scan when I find it.

Also, you saying Sue instinctively uses her shield is something she does defensively when she's in danger. For that to happen Monica will have to pose a threat and be in her light form. She isn't instinctively attacking a harmless human, she will have to conscientiously think of that.

Whether Monica's base is light form or she has to turn into it. Sue isn't one shotting her before she can turn due to the reasons stated. She'll have to fight her in her light form operating at light speed.

Well Ultimates happened during the time she had the amp, She was amped from 2013 to 2019 and Ultimates was published 2016

Sue knows who Monica is since they worked together multiple times and Sue is aware this is a battle going into this battle so obviously she'll have a shield active.

Can’t Monica just do what she did to green lantern since sue does uses cosmic energy?

Sue allowed Bishop to absorb her force field's kinetic energy in the 90's but recently in X/4 (2020) when Sue trapped Bishop in a force field he was powerless.

Sue has defeated Absorbing Man, suffocated Red Hulk, trapped Carol Danvers and Monica in force fields among other examples of characters that can absorb energy and were aware of her force fields and were still helpless against Sue's force fields.

Nothing suggests Monica can absorb energy from a higher plane of existence in Hyperspace that's known to have unique properties compared to other energy forms especially considering Sue's force fields' energy is invisible even to Sue that can see invisible stuff and can make invisible stuff visible.

We also know Monica has had trouble dealing with certain exotic energy forms and force fields like Darkforce and Sue's force fields'energy is as exotic as they come.

Hyperstorm who uses the same energy Sue does said the power cosmic is amateur night compared to his power which means there are different types of cosmic energy for example the energy he uses is different from the power cosmic

@scarlet_wiccan: fair enough on the base energy form point.

Susan might have shield active but she won't instinctively one shot like you applied earlier.

And no way is she effectively targeting a light speed opponent. The best thing she can hope for is a stalemate.

Not to mention Monica can planet bust if she goes fast enough, Sue will have a hard time defending herself from hard light.

The issue with assuming Spectrum is consistently LS is that she isn't. There are multiple instances of her being in action and getting tagged by individuals significantly below her paygrade. Sure she CAN move at those speeds, but for a regular morals on scrap, I'm not really convinced she's going to immediately go into ludicrous tiers of potency all at once.

What's likely is that Spectrum rushes in, Sue gets a shield up and then quickly restrains her before any counter-offence can be created.

Monica's planet busting statement was also while she was amped (2015) and even if it wasn't, normally if a character has only one feat way above their other feats it's be considered an outlier, Like Sue's force field blocking blasts from multiple Celestials at the same time, temporarily withstanding an incursion aka two universes colliding, ect.

Sue's force field have consistently tanked attacks from people way above Monica like Thor, Silver Surfer, Annihilus, Kismet, ect. and that's when I'm ignoring her high-ends so I can comfortably say she won't be much of an issue for Sue's force field.

I can agree on a stalemate since Sue's force field is too durability for Monica and Monica is too fast for Sue

Agreed.

Bloodlusted Spectrum would have a much better chance at winning

Who are these people? Can you name them...

Can you assume a 100% success rate concurrently?

That doesn't exactly answer my question. But can you name them?

Can you answer mine? My one has significantly more importance than name-dropping, which let's just face it: it's not going to sit well regardless.

@professorrespect: I will not answer it until you answer mine. I don’t see how your question is more important.

I don’t really care about it not sitting well. I’m just asking for my own interest and curiosity on who these people are.

Thank You. That's all I wanted.

hasn‘t Galactus tagged ppl in her speed tier? Ironman speed tiering ranges.. Moonstone should be close to her speed tier. Klaw is the one where the writer made him thinking at the speed sound be on par with Dazzler speed of light matching attacks?? 💀💀

Spectrum should win. Invisible Woman doesn't have all the powers Spectrum does

What exactly are you saying from all of these loose points?

Exactly what I stated? So

So what, exactly? What point are you generally trying to make from all of these loose points?

My point is exactly what I stated when I commented on the thread for your points for “consistently” for a character who’s been here more than 40+ years but only a few ppl named but sigh I guess

anything else?

Well Spectrum doesn't have all the powers Invisible Woman has. Spectrum is more versatile but Invisible Woman's force field can cancel everything Spectrum can do, Sometimes quality is more important than quantity.

@scarlet_wiccan: Can she block everything?