Feel free to correct me about the order
@merulezall: @wolfrazer: @shroudofsorrow: @Aristeaus:
This part is for Wolf specifically: before we go into another month-long debate in which we never agree anyways, do you think its possible for me to change your mind on the matter?
Now for everyone:
Except, he didn't really. Context.
The context was that Durge charged an unprepared and unarmed massively pre-prime boba and lost.
Not only could Boba not really do anything to Durge
Durge ended up blinded and with a rod through his chest despite previously mentioned advantages. Boba got hit once and only after turning his attention to Jabba. Boba also heavily outpaced Durge here.
Durge ended up winning the real goal, which was killing Libkath, a bounty they both had.
Durge killed him, but only because Boba dodged the shot meant for him and Libkath stood by him. And while Durge ended up exploding, Boba ended with the bounty and the true winner:
Yeah, and even if Boba as a teen had won legitimately, it would be an obvious PIS showing.
Durge consistently loses to early CW Kenobi and Anakin. early Teen Boba has comparisons suggesting equality or superiority to Anakin, stalemated Mace Windu/gave him a great fight, and outperformed ROTS Kenobi. If anything its PIS that Durge could even tag Boba once.
it was noted Durge was slower
And he was then put to fight pit animals specifically to regain his speed, yet still was incapable of tagging Boba even once in their next two encounters:
Though frankly, reading it, it really just sounds like the author didn't know who Durge was.
They repeatedly say he's an incredible and strong bounty hunter, as well as reference his hatred for mandalorians and Jango multiple times, far more so than any other content he has appeared in combined. This is completely false.
TL:DR
Boba is repeatedly shown and said to be faster, and consistently outplays/outperforms him. This is while unarmed and on his first bounty ever. He consistently is shown to be on the level of stronger versions of characters Durge struggles/loses to, and to characters superior to those (Mace).
Thats teenage Boba with mediocre gear for a mandalorian, and roughly half the gear Durge has (except for the times he beat durge with none).
Now imagine prime Boba, with multiple times the gear, explosives that can blow up capitol ships, multiple pieces of gear that bypass durability altogether, much more experience, training and skill. What case can be made for Durge to even beat a fully equipped kid boba, much less prime?
TL:DR
Boba is repeatedly shown and said to be faster, and consistently outplays/outperforms him. This is while unarmed and on his first bounty ever. He consistently is shown to be on the level of stronger versions of characters Durge struggles/loses to, and to characters superior to those (Mace).
Thats teenage Boba with mediocre gear for a mandalorian, and roughly half the gear Durge has (except for the times he beat durge with none).
Now imagine prime Boba, with multiple times the gear, explosives that can blow up capitol ships, multiple pieces of gear that bypass durability altogether, much more experience, training and skill. What case can be made for Durge to even beat a fully equipped kid boba, much less prime?
No, just no. Durge is much faster.
“Whoever fails will be given to Durge as a reward,” the droid continued. “That is how he keeps his reflexes keen. He practices upon living prey. That is why he is the greatest bounty hunter here.”
Boba stared back into the droid’s eyes. He shook his head. “Durge is the greatest bounty hunter?” he said, thinking of what his father might say. “Well, I think it’s time for a change!”
Boba’s words sounded braver than he felt. But the droid did not notice.
~ Boba Fett: Hunted Chapter 18
Boba was severely outclassed by Mace, and Mace gave him SEVERAL opportunities to surrender.
Durge beat Kit Fisto and Plo Koon at the same time.
As for having a rod in his chest, it literally means nothing. Blinding Durge is interesting, because... after all... Boba was defeated by a blind man... in his prime.
It appears to be heading directly for him, but its fair if you don't agree on that point, as i can see how you could think otherwise:
You sure their armor is weak?
Its not at all weak. Not even confident that a lightsaber could properly cut it. Its just inferior to beskar.
Plus again I feel as if it’s kinda telling that severed limbs for them are minor injuries at best.
It is, and they even have more organs than regular humans. But they're not immortal. They have consistently died to stabs, decapitations and projectiles (very op projectiles ofc.)
That and don’t they have regeneration themselves?
They have great regen for injuries/wounds but can't regen limbs
@merulezall: Well regarding regen thats a fair question, how could Boba kill someone with as crazy regen as Durge?
Well for one in the novels where boba and durge fought Boba never did anything which would actually trigger regen. He blinded him and stabbed him through the chest with a metal pole he didn't remove. The next two times he avoided his attacks until he acchieved his goal (1st was gaining distance, 2nd was freeing slaves, stealing their targets hat and causing Durge to hit explosives in the area.). In a pure hand to hand conflict, especially when still a child/early teen (he's 11 or 12), he could of course not kill Durge.
And with just a blaster in an open area you're also right. It would be difficult for boba to win.
But when we then imagine prime boba, who's faster, smarter and more skilled than kid boba who's already capable of using those things to beat Durge, and the fact that prime Boba has blasters, missiles and rockets far above average capacity, and that he has multiple ways to take down opponents without doing damage (he has multiple incapitating pieces of equipment), Durge would be far outmatched IMO.
Also note that while he seems invincible, Durge's regen can be taxed. Mandalorians with inferior gear than boba damaged Durge to the point he had to bury himself for a century to recover. After being beaten by Grievous he also needed bacta treatment. And even his own explosions caused his regen to become strained, and boba's are far stronger. Gen'dai are also confirmed to be capable of sustaining "too many injuries", and boba has enough gear to supply multiple armies.
Durge was able to escape the Mandalorians, and retreated to parts unknown to hibernate and recover. It took nearly a century to undo the damage the Mandalorians wrought.
Should a Gen'Dai sustain too many injuries, they are capable of entering into extended periods of hibernation, during which they can heal wounds, recover from disease, and slow the aging process.
Note before we start that every source I've posted is from legends canon. Including the novels in which Boba fought Durge and Durge being injured by mandalorians, but I can appreciate the misunderstanding.
Was Durge wearing armor or no?
His armour is specifically mentioned multiple times yes :). Even his armour design is correctly referenced as Boba stabs the mandalorion skull on his armour:
And note that the blaster/explosion/lava feats wouldn't cover piercing resistance. Technicaly the lance could, but it looks alot more like Durge broke his lance (as we see it flying up) and in jousting its common only one gets properly hit.
I don't think the author of this book understood just how stronk Durge really is.
This novel was written as a part of the CWMMP, and was made in the same year as the cartoon was released. It also directly references even obscure events like the Dark Reaper campaign, indicating its familiar with the rest of the CWMMP. The novel also goes to exhaustive lengths to say how strong and powerful he is, and how before Boba arrived he was the greatest hunter alive.
Of course, and that's my argument. Even as an adult I don't give Boba the W in pure H2H either. Durge was tanking this as shown down below,
While it shows great durability, this is also the fight in which Grievous with pure physical force and lightsabers hurt durge to the point where he needs bacta treatment. So these hits and some more put down durge permanently without help.
Let's note again, prime Boba with a pistol vs Durge with a pistol. The results are indeed the same.
Yeah again in a neutral enviroment with only blasters durge likely wins. But usually its assumed standard gear.
This is all true, but from feats up above Durge was tanking a lot more than what Boba had to offer aside from his backpack missile launcher due to the explosions shown up above.
Note those explosions + like 3 lightsaber hits from anakin was what caused durge's regen to get taxed. And Boba's missiles are much, much, stronger, capable of blowing holes in frigates and blowing Starkiller through four decks despite him using force shield.
And he had seen her, briefly, face white and spattered with her own blood, eyes wide and staring at him in utter disbelief. What was going through her mind he could not begin to guess. Joy? Confusion? Relief? Doubt? They had only locked stares for a moment before the man who had taken her captive pushed her out of sight. Then he had fired a missile at Starkiller's feet that had blown a massive hole in the frigate. Starkiller had thrown up a Force shield at the last instant, but had still found himself four decks away when the blast dissipated. By the time he had retraced his steps, Juno was gone.
And this is not his only explosive weapon. His blaster can consistently blow up vehicles and incinerate people:
a flamethrower that can break chains that can hold a rancor:
Can use his jetpack as a flamethrower:
Has thermal detonators, the same kind that caused Durge's regen to tax:
A wrist rocket that can blow up huge droids:
And even more.
In other words while a single missile from Boba fett might not be able to kill him instantly, the thing with Boba is that even if Durge survives his jetpack missile, he will be severly injured, and Boba can then use that opportunity to spam him with countless explosions and once uncovered from his armour incinerate him.
And again this is ignoring the fact that Boba has multiple weapons to beat opponents without breaching durability, like sonic emitters that even affect droids and jedi:
I feel like people forget just how geared prime Boba is
I'd like to note Dooku has said they have suffered worse; especially Durge. Question I think that should be asked is why they were put into the tanks, not simply for the regen, but did Dooku want them to recover quicker for more missions or were they just seriously that injured.
That is a fair point, those are possible options :)
As for Anakin's scan, that makes sense and is made clear. However, Durge was suffering some serious damage before that as well from Anakin and Obi wan.
While true, all that damage is damage Boba can replicate. Durge suffered a few lightsaber strikes, some electric damage from his bolas and his own explosions (which did most damage). Boba's weaponry is more than capable of replicating this damage
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