who wins and why?
Sora vs Goku
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@gaoron said:
Also lol at Sora piercing Goku, his key would turn to ash in contact with him.
I like people claim piercing is a magic way to bypass durability, it's actually pressure converging into a single point while factoring in targets ability to tank small objects and hardness. Keyblade cutting feats aren't that great unless Sora can now generate some big planet splitting laser blade and hit Goku before he powers up.
I mean Frieza cut through planet namek and the same attack just bounced off Gokus head.
@frostplatinum said:
@gaoron: Don’t strawman me... I never said Hit can’t stop anyone outside Dragon Ball.
But you said that Goku magically doesn't have his resistance...
We were talking about Goku’s time manipulation resistance, yes? And no, that’s not how it works for reasons given above.
You gave no reason at the moment.
If Goku has never resisted time powers like Sora’s
He did, there is no difference between Sora time stop and Hit time stop which Goku resisted.
, assuming that he could based on power levels is NLF.
I'm proving it with his shown resistance based on power level not on power level alone. You need to prove Sora can get behind Gokus resistance either via proving his time stop is somewhat special compared to Hit or that Sora power level is bigger than Goku to ignore his resistance. It's that simple.
Vados didn’t have an actual gauge on Jiren’s power like she did with Hit’s
What gauge? Vados never trained Hit and never had any closer relation to him, it's all her speculating just like with her hyperbolic statement about Jiren.
, she meant that since he was overall more powerful than Hit, he would be above the time skip.
No, what she meant is that Jiren isn't effected by time which he obviously is.
That doesn’t go against her other statement or my argument at all. And no. That is headcanon which is backed by nothing else, nowhere is it stated or implied that time is stopped. He is skipping time.
Sorry but I rather go with what was presented on screen and what user of the technique has to say not character that was proven to not know what she is talking about.
Hit stops time, period. If he wasn't he would end up with a hole in his head in the mob boss scene.
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Well then you must not have seen much. This isn’t really arguable, you can do a lot more with a keyblade’s time manipulation abilities than you can with Hit’s time skip.
Highly doubt it but it's not like it's important anyway since versality has nothing to do with how powerfull the time stop is.
For one, even the most basic variation of stop can affect a wide array of enemies rather than just one, and for a much longer time.
Where was it ever said Hit can effect one? The hell? Everyone is stopped when he uses it, that should be obvious, he stopped multiple people on above video already, in the ToP he stopped everybody aswell.
And you can also affect enemies from much farther away with moves like stop raid.
Hit shown to have atleast couple dozens of meters range when saving Caulifa. I'm sorry but are you really gonna list every single not important thing? Give me something impressive like Hit being able to layer his time stop so when someone resists it he can put another layer of time stop. Is Sora more powerfull than that?
Also, similar to time skip you don’t always have to be on the offensive side to manipulate time, you can play defensive and counter with moves like stop barrier.
*sigh*
And then if you please you can just slow enemies down with moves like slow.
Hit can do the same in the manga.
But there’s also the plus that the keyblade is actually stopping time.
So is Hit, proven above. If you're gonna ignore that clear evidence don't even bother to reply. For trolling and denial I'm gonna respond with the same.
And it can give you resistance to people using time manipulation on you as shown in Coded.
Cool.
Hit’s time manipulation only looked remotely impressive in the first place because he already had the physicals to contend with fighters like ssgss Goku and Vegeta. Otherwise he would’ve just been fodder like Guldo.
I mean so is Sora, he gets blitzed and one shotted by current Goku. I thought we already agree on Goku stomping the fight and only disscusing how Sora can't stop Goku because he already resisted Hit.
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