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#51 Posted by DanielDaRipper (981 posts) - - Show Bio
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#52 Edited by nickzambuto (29274 posts) - - Show Bio

@sainguinexshadow said:

@nickzambuto: except your wrong.

Snake: Fox what do you want from me?

Fox: i'm a prisoner of death only you can set me free.

Case in point he purposely lost to Snake confirmed later, Gray Fox obviously nerfed himself against Snake out of Nostalgia in a hand to hand fight just like the hand to hand fight in the minefield in a straight up all out fight Fox would butcher Snake with his sword he does not because his real intent is to die by Snake as he clearly says later Gray Fox is suffering from his nerves not being fully connected to his exosuit so he feel's the disconnection that causes him sever pain and to wig out Raiden actually mentions something about Gray Fox's outdated Cyborg problems in Rising not directly but he points out the exact problem Fox has and says it's excruciating.

It's in a codec without Boris or Kevin hell might even be Doktor i don't remember which but Raiden mentions Doctor Clark IIRC, Gray Fox solo's Resident evil with utter ease it took a Metal gear stomping on him to crumble his Exosuit no one in Resident evil has that kind of output not even close.

That quote doesn't indicate Fox needed to lose in order to be freed. The quote that I posted said "A fight to the death with you, only in that can my soul find respite. I will kill you, or you will kill me. It makes no difference."

A fight to the death with Snake would have set Fox free, but it made no difference who won. Snake could set Fox free by killing him... or by Fox winning the fight. The only thing Fox had left to live for was settling the score with Snake, it didn't matter who won, he just wanted it to end.

The only thing that your quote confirms is Fox needed Snake. It does not indicate he needed to lose.

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#53 Posted by nickzambuto (29274 posts) - - Show Bio
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#54 Posted by SainguineXshadow (4115 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: Snake legit says in codec that Gray fox wants him to kill him after he is being tortured i recall he also calls frank his brother to naomi also fox's dying speech prior to his death scene reveals a whole lot more.

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#55 Posted by nickzambuto (29274 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: Snake legit says in codec that Gray fox wants him to kill him after he is being tortured i recall he also calls frank his brother to naomi also fox's dying speech prior to his death scene reveals a whole lot more.

You're leaving out the context behind that quote. Gray Fox stated he doesn't care who wins, so long as one of them kills the other. When Snake said that to Naomi, he had ALREADY won the fight. So it just came down to whether or not he would actually kill Fox.

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#56 Posted by SainguineXshadow (4115 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: as Fox is pinned against the wall by Rex he reveals that he wanted to be killed by Snake but accepts being killed infront of him it's when the whole scene happens were if you try to fire the stinger Snake will reply "it's no good i can't do it"

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#57 Posted by nickzambuto (29274 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: as Fox is pinned against the wall by Rex he reveals that he wanted to be killed by Snake but accepts being killed infront of him it's when the whole scene happens were if you try to fire the stinger Snake will reply "it's no good i can't do it"

No, Fox NEVER said that.

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#58 Edited by SainguineXshadow (4115 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: god damn gonna make me go hunt down the video.

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#59 Posted by nickzambuto (29274 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: god damn gonna make me go hunt down the video.

You don't have to, I literally know the script by memory. Gray Fox did NOT say ANYTHING of the sort.

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#60 Edited by SainguineXshadow (4115 posts) - - Show Bio
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@nickzambuto: Fox: I'm a prisoner of Death only you can free me. (the context behind this i'm unable to stay dead or i'm not allowed to die only you can kill me hence free me) Snake replies what about Naomi you know Naomi is hell bent on taking revenge for you.

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#61 Posted by nickzambuto (29274 posts) - - Show Bio

@sainguinexshadow: This is not Fox saying he let Snake win their fist fight that happened hours ago under completely different circumstances.

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#62 Posted by SainguineXshadow (4115 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: except he outright reveals right here in this scene that he wanted Snake to kill him otherwise he wouldn't have put away his sword in there first fight and settle for a fist fight if he was out to truly kill Snake he would have Carved him to pieces that being said be dumb one time and keep firing your gun at him he will say screw the hand to hand and sword your ass and you will quickly die.

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#63 Edited by Amendment50 (11456 posts) - - Show Bio
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#64 Posted by nickzambuto (29274 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: except he outright reveals right here in this scene that he wanted Snake to kill him otherwise he wouldn't have put away his sword in there first fight and settle for a fist fight if he was out to truly kill Snake he would have Carved him to pieces that being said be dumb one time and keep firing your gun at him he will say screw the hand to hand and sword your ass and you will quickly die.

No. He. Doesn't. Fox is not saying what you are saying. He said, point-blank, either I do or you do, either way my soul will rest. So now that he's in a situation where he is dying... well, that's just fine. He let's it happen. That doesn't have any thing to do with the fist fight he and Snake had hours prior, under completely different circumstances. You're applying Fox's feelings in that moment, to a completely different scene that happened hours prior under completely different circumstances. And no, Fox doesn't cut you up if you fire your gun at him, it's perfectly possible to dodge his sword just like you can dodge his kicks. If you keep your gun and Fox keeps his sword, it's still perfectly possible to defeat him.

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#65 Posted by Amendment50 (11456 posts) - - Show Bio

as for the fight

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#66 Edited by SainguineXshadow (4115 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: oh christ no it's not unless you use chaff otherwise he parries your bullets all of your bullets and carves your ass up i really don't understand your ignoring Fox's true motive just because what he said prior he also can save Snake from the cell aswell and the big reveal at the end when Snake asks Gray fox what he truly wants he tell's Snake i want you to kill me why else did Fox show up to Shadow moses? he was looking for Snake to kill him because Fox had no plans after killing Snake or even killing Snake as he outright reveals "yea i came here because i want you to kill me"

And his showing against Rex outright says he was holding back he held up Rex's foot with one hand tanked a stomp from Rex and on the 2nd stomp he dies if you honestly think Snake was generating enough force to actually harm Fox then CQC really makes everyone Omnipotent and Kojima was smoking weed for that scene Snake could have CQC'd Rex's leg then.

Finally Fox was Displaying speed he did not use in there fist fight.

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#67 Posted by High_Noon (514 posts) - - Show Bio

Nick is probably the worst person to debate Metal Gear against, dude has made it a fookin religion

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#68 Edited by AotD (289 posts) - - Show Bio

could go either way both are equally strong, maybe Solid wins due to his more combat experience...though Leon feats seems a damn good

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#69 Posted by TifaLockhart (19495 posts) - - Show Bio

Amen.