SoI Fon Bleach Vs Raikage Naruto

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#1  Edited By joshua755
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These two seem rather even to me and Friends are undecided on who would win so random encounter no soul crush both are willing to win take place at the fourth great ninja war battle field who wins

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#2  Edited By SkySanji

Raikage more times than not, Soi fon would have to get through his lightning armor and Jakuhiraikoben isn't going to hit Raikage,unless he just stands there.

Raikage 6.5/10

What about speed? Not gonna argue speed here, it's just going to turn into a flame war, I personally don't think either can blitz each other though even if one character was faster than the other.

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@jko1: you don’t think Ay can dodge that

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@jko1: you don’t think Ay can dodge that

He could probably react to it and use a teleportation jutsu to dodge it.

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Ay wins this

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@jko1: That’s what I am saying Ay sees something like that he will not just stand there and tank it like Escanor Would

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@jko1 said:
@joshua755 said:

@jko1: you don’t think Ay can dodge that

He could probably react to it and use a teleportation jutsu to dodge it.

Ay can't teleport

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#12  Edited By Jko1

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@jko1: you don’t think Ay can dodge that

He could probably react to it and use a teleportation jutsu to dodge it.

Ay can't teleport

Pretty sure he was using one in his fight against Sasuke.

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@jko1: No he was just that fast he never used teleportation minato did against him

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@jko1: No he was just that fast he never used teleportation minato did against him

Oh, well then R.I.P. Ay.

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#15  Edited By GXrevs06

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@jko1: you don’t think Ay can dodge that

He could probably react to it and use a teleportation jutsu to dodge it.

Ay can't teleport

Pretty sure he was using one in his fight against Sasuke.

Nah. The manga usually refers to Aye's movement speed as teleportation for some reason. This confuses a lot of people.

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Soifon should two shot, if not then Bankai gives her the win

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Soi fon.

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Raikage is stronger, but I think Soi Fon is faster (though they both have impressive speed), and I think she has the more effective power set between Mukyu Shunko, Speed clones, Suzumebachi (specifically Nigeki Kessatsu), and Jakuho Raikoben. I give her the win.

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Soi fon blitzes and either 2 shot kills him or nukes him.

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@earendill: Raikage barely dodged something with the diameter of, like, a foot. There’s no way he’s dodging the missile

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@faradaysloth: I just don’t see how he can’t doge it like in the gif above it takes a good couple of seconds for her to shot that thing and as soon as she pull that out Ay will have the sense to think that’s dangerous let me avoid now I am not saying he wins or is faster I am just saying he can avoid that I just don’t see how he can not

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#25  Edited By marvelfan1992

@joshua755: @faradaysloth: yeah he is definitely not going to be hit by her bankai, it takes too long to hit he can easily get out of the way and out of the AOE. It also takes time for her to setup and launch doesn’t it? Even a a few seconds of her not moving will be the end of her. I can see soifon winning with her shikai and shunko though, coupled with her speed

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@marvelfan1992: I agree with everything but the setting up part she only did that to counter the recoil we later see her use it no problem.

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#28  Edited By SkySanji

@joshua755: That and she uses it again against Barragan iirc I'll see if I can get scans, hold on



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#29  Edited By SkySanji

@joshua755: Here she uses it again no problem

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This is the Tybw part you were referring to

Side note one of Soi fon's most bad ass lines "Who knows, get hit with it and try to analyze it"

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@skysanji: did she end up beating that guy btw? I’ve torally forgotten the Quincy arc prior to the Lille and Gerard Valkyrie fights lol

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@marvelfan1992: yeah, But she doesn't kill him, later him and Cang du(another quincy) go back to Yhwach after they fail and gets executed by Jugram Haschwalt.

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@skysanji: Thanks for that reminder yea I can see so it’s not the start up that’s the a problem but more of a getting to him that he can avoid

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@joshua755: Exactly she can activate it with ease without getting blitzed the attack itself is just too slow.

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could go either way tbh

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Soi Fon lacks the necessary attack stats to harm the Raikage. Not only have they been known to be tanky, but A is definitely faster as well.

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Going with Raikage. He actually has many feats that can be quantify and many other scaling also supports that he is easily above mach 5000.

I don't know any feat that suggest Soi Fon is that fast. On addition, Raikage has better durability and his lightning armor negates her shikai. This is the guy who tank light speed travel without any protection. I don't see anything from her even scratching this guy.

Raikage 9/10

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#37  Edited By Earendill

@faradaysloth:

Ameterasu speed >>> SF Bankai speed.

Bankai's it takes minutes to prepare. Few seconds to reach the target.

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@joshua755: I'm saying he can't dodge the Missile's AOE

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@marvelfan1992: He barely dodges Amaterasu yet can evade the AOE of Soifon's Bankai?

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@earendill: He isn't dodging the AOE is what I'm saying.

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Raikage has this mid-diff his raiton no yoroi blocks her shikai and he has enough strength to beat her

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#42  Edited By marvelfan1992

@faradaysloth: it takes time for the missile to hit though, he is fast enough to get out of the range of even the AOE. And amaterasu appears instantly at the target location from all the instances we've been shown it so saying he barely dodges amaterasu actually helps the case that he would be able to escape her bankai since he was able to dodge an instantaneous/almost instantaneous move form up close

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@marvelfan1992: Shunko looks instanteous though, doesn’t it? Just because it looks instanteously doesn’t mean it is.

Just because the anime took the time for the missile being launched doesn’t mean it’s slow enough to be dodged. Barragan who ages time instanteously too barely stopped the missile.

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@faradaysloth: he didn't use respira on the missile the moment she launched it did he? It really just flies that slow. Hell, even with the surprise attack by soi fon at almost point blank range while he was trapped inside the barrier, he still managed to decay it with respira a bit. Do you honestly think A would not be able to get out of the way in the time it takes that slow missile (relative to the speed of these characters) to land? You are vastly underestimating his speed

Is she faster? Yeah I think so because she was fast enough to make multiple after-images/speed "clones", but her bankai's attack is really just not fast enough to hit A

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Raiakge mid diff. Her Skiaki is useless since she will never pierce his skin, his arguably faster, her Bankai will never hit either.

Raikage takes this 7.5/10.

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@earendill: Soi fon's Bankai does not take minutes to prepare I went over this in post #29

She only took minutes to prepare the first time because she was worried about the recoil.

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Hell, even with the surprise attack by soi fon at almost point blank range while he was trapped inside the barrier, he still managed to decay it with respira a bit@marvelfan1992:

First off he can age without Respira, although it shouldn't be as powerful.

And he did age Soi Fon's missile

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Hell, even with the surprise attack by soi fon at almost point blank range while he was trapped inside the barrier, he still managed to decay it with respira a bit

That's a feat for Barragan, not an anti-feat for Soi Fon. His Respira caught up to Soi Fon's speed after all.

Do you honestly think A would not be able to get out of the way in the time it takes that slow missile (relative to the speed of these characters) to land? You are vastly underestimating his speed

How? Barragan was FTE to SoiFon, and through scaling SoiFon is about the same speed as Raikage.

Is she faster? Yeah I think so because she was fast enough to make multiple after-images/speed "clones", but her bankai's attack is really just not fast enough to hit A

If that missile was fast enough for Barragan (who was FTE to an MHS Character through scaling) to barely react...it's fast lol.

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#48  Edited By marvelfan1992

@faradaysloth:

he literally didn't even bother moving, he watched it fly towards him and aged it. He managed to negate the entire attack and didn't have a scratch on him after. If it was that fast, he would not have been able to age it completely and would have received damage.

The only time the missile actually managed to hit him was when it was at point blank range.

I really think you are overestimating the speed of which her missile flies, that or underestimating A's speed

Here is A dodging a blast at point-blank range

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@skysanji said:

@earendill: Soi fon's Bankai does not take minutes to prepare I went over this in post #29

She only took minutes to prepare the first time because she was worried about the recoil.

Bleach characters were lightning speed a long time ago he would get blitzed no bankia need

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