So Ichigo and God Tiers Of Bleach Were Upgraded to 5-A Large Planet Level ?

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Poll So Ichigo and God Tiers Of Bleach Were Upgraded to 5-A Large Planet Level ? (81 votes)

It’s facts and finally it’s here 35%
It’s false they never showed that level by feats or scaling 65%

Yeah so this happened

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ichigo_Kurosaki

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Large Planet level with Merged Hollow Form (Capable of injuring a Soul King Absorbed Yhwach) | At least Large Planet level (One-shot and killed Soul King Absorbed Yhwach on two separate occasions), higher with Merged Hollow Form (Superior to True Bankai)

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At least Country level, Large Planet level with Merged Hollow Form | At least Large Planet level, higher with Merged Hollow Form

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Did anybody see this ?

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Hmm.. Seems legit I think.

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Its because of the Soul King novel feat in which he kills the Planet sized Menos to create Hueco Mundo.

I don't agree with it even as a bleach fan, but his AP is higher then most people here want to admit.

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Yhwach should be at least multiversal with hax

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Low Multiversal Kratos still stomps ??????

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Facts man!!

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Undre is in the cut rubbing his hands together like a dark scientist with an evil laugh?.

If the novel is canon RIP to anymore Naruto vs god tiers of bleach battles

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@joviolma: city level Cassie cage and multi continental level noctis stomp

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Undre is in the cut rubbing his hands together like a dark scientist with an evil laugh?.

If the novel is canon RIP to anymore Naruto vs god tiers of bleach battles

It's not and VS Battles are retarded, they overstate everyone's potential.

Yhwach with the added power of the SK unleashing all his power is the only one even conceivably at that level. Nobody else.

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Large Country level base MCU thanos solos the verse

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@token1300: The Boruto novel has Momoshiki destroying stars iirc.

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#15  Edited By Token1300

@americanspeeddemon: Yeah it says he collasped a Star. But we don’t know the specific time of the feat.

https://m.imgur.com/Zrd5GUV

It would make sense if Momo was Star Level in base since Kaguya is afraid of him. But vsbattle debunks Naruto novels and glorifies Bleach SK novel feats.

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Wank.

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Imagine taking vsbattles serious...

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#18  Edited By Lsoon23

I mean Yhwach was about to perform a 5-A feat at EOS, he is not even nearly consistently that that level though. I believe the moving of the Wandenreich was calced at small planet level too, and the novel feats in which he oneshotted a planet. I have Yhwach personally at around continental.

VSbattles is biased towards certain verses though, they have Naruto at massively hypersonic still I think because of 'muh outliers' while they accept outliers for every other verse.

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@lsoon23 said:

. I believe the moving of the Wandenreich was calced at small planet level too.

Wow

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Soul King is Multi-Solar System at least as expected.

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Lol^

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Lol^

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#24  Edited By Godren

Also Naruto verse is MHS because they have bad speed calcs. The only reason they got to sub-Rel was because they thought Madara flew to the damn moon.

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Undre will go nuts..lol

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#27  Edited By Revold

@token1300 said:

@americanspeeddemon: Yeah it says he collasped a Star. But we don’t know the specific time of the feat.

https://m.imgur.com/Zrd5GUV

It would make sense if Momo was Star Level in base since Kaguya is afraid of him. But vsbattle debunks Naruto novels and glorifies Bleach SK novel feats.

That's a planet not star because there were people living there. I suspect it's the usual mistranslation of Hoshi. And also the "star" is simply wasted when the Shinju absorbed all the natural energy, just like how around the Earth's Shinju the surronding lands become void of life and vegetation. The "Star" (planet) itself is still intact, so it's not a planet level feat, and the feat was accomplished over time by the Shinju so Momoshiki is barely even a life wiper. Earth is considered to be an anomaly in spacetime curvature (or chakra possession) so regular planets like these are far less in natural energy.

IDK why people still use these vague novel descriptions when we already have first hand canon showings of his battles. The anime actually showed this very scene on screen. There's no way Kaguya would be scared of someone like that.

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#28 takenstew22  Moderator

Not that VSBattles should be taken seriously but do any Bleach characters actually have planet level feats? Scaling is cool and all when it makes sense but...

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#29  Edited By Token1300

@revold: Kaguya creates multiple dimensions two which have confirmed Sun Star and Moon. She was going to destroy the dimension that connects all her dimensions. This means destroying said dimension would’ve destroyed her dimensions with a Star and Planet. This resonates to her final attack being Star+ Level.

Momoshiki has eaten multiple fruit for years, while Kaguya has only eaten 1. And before they came to Earth, Momoshiki absorbed the chakra fruit from a planet, and caused its closest Sun to die out. Whether he caused the Sun himself to explode, or absorb its energy with God Tree and eat the fruit, is all up for guess. But what is facts, is that Momoshiki can devestate whole worlds, and effect their Sun. He even goes on to create his own dimension of a planet, which he calls his Nursery. N from Kaguya statement “nursery” relates to planet.

Momoshiki and Kinshiki together are the confirmed threats Kaguya was preparing her army for.

Momoshiki is implied to be stronger than Kaguya, as he says Naruto and co took the trouble of taking care of Her himself.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/d/db/Screenshot_2018-04-25-16-34-43-305_com.android.chrome.png/revision/latest?cb=20180425185932

Momoshiki can then fuse with Kinshiki who is stated in databooks to split planets, making Momoshiki stronger.

In conclusion Kaguya should be Star+ Level

For going to wipe her world sized dimensions that have stars and moons. And Momo Star+ Level for being superior to Kaguya, absorbing more chakra fruit than her for years, and taking energy from a distant Star he made burn out.

The Ootutsuki-oogly is quite simple. They go to planet from planet, defeating the strongest inhabitants, planting god tree, having it absorb all life from the planet, so that the planet can produce a chakra fruit. They then eat the fruit, or harvest the fruit for another claim member, to gain a incredible boost in power. Momoshiki and Kinshiki have done this for hundreds of years.

Plus I feel like the creator was going for a Raditz comes to Earth first then followed up by 2 other Mode powerful aliens Nappa and Vegeta, type thing.

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@revold: Kaguya creates multiple dimensions two which have confirmed Sun Star and Moon. She was going to destroy the dimension that connects all her dimensions. This means destroying said dimension would’ve destroyed her dimensions with a Star and Planet. This resonates to her final attack being Star+ Level.

The manga said she created a new Time-Space, but the destroy dimension part is a databook statement. The dimension are universe-sized by common sense so it's almost as vague as saying "I'm going to destroy the world", which could range from meaning a life wiper to destroying all of Spacetime itself. In this case she only aimed to finish Team 7 for good, so having a planet-sized ETSB is good enough. Remember, Kaguya don't know how big the dimension is herself, and she could very well refer to just the root-dimension planet.

The same applies for "creating" dimensions, which could mean just building infrastructure on the planet's surface to creating the space-time fabric itself. Nevermind that, because she was never even stated to have created them. It's like saying Kid Obito "created" his Kamui dimension, when he only obtained an ability to access it.

Momoshiki has eaten multiple fruit for years, while Kaguya has only eaten 1. And before they came to Earth, Momoshiki absorbed the chakra fruit from a planet, and caused its closest Sun to die out. Whether he caused the Sun himself to explode, or absorb its energy with God Tree and eat the fruit, is all up for guess. But what is facts, is that Momoshiki can devestate whole worlds, and effect their Sun. He even goes on to create his own dimension of a planet, which he calls his Nursery. N from Kaguya statement “nursery” relates to planet.

Not all chakra fruit contains the same amount of chakra. The Shinju on Momoshiki's planet are much smaller than the one on Earth. Momoshiki even said Naruto would become one Shinju with only one Bijuu, whereas the one on Earth took nine. And Momoshiki doesn't eat Shinju fruit as regularly as you may think, since he said "finally an adequate harvest". He usually just take small doses in the form of Red Earth.

He didn't absorb the whole planet one shot, he did that over time. He took almost a day and barely absorbed half of Kurama's chakra. Just look at how many Shinju there are on his planet and you can imagine how long he took to "devastate the planet". And he definitely didn't cause the Sun to die out, you would have to give me more evidence other than the mistranslation we talked before.

Again, he did not create any dimension, at least not in the way you think. Also, Momoshiki doesn't possess chakra from all the planets he absorbed before, he still uses chakra over time, especially when he attempts to conquer the civilizations.

Momoshiki and Kinshiki together are the confirmed threats Kaguya was preparing her army for.

Momoshiki is implied to be stronger than Kaguya, as he says Naruto and co took the trouble of taking care of Her himself.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/d/db/Screenshot_2018-04-25-16-34-43-305_com.android.chrome.png/revision/latest?cb=20180425185932

Confirmed by who? Sasuke? After he realised Kaguya prepared an army, he only stated the obvious, that there is a threat out there greater than Kaguya. That was completely independent of who Momoshiki and Kinshiki was. Also Kaguya created the Zetsu army when she was still much weaker.

Momoshiki didn't even know how strong Kaguya became.

Momoshiki can then fuse with Kinshiki who is stated in databooks to split planets, making Momoshiki stronger.

Yet when he unleashed his power, all it did was slicing the nearby Shinju into half. Kinshiki himself is even more underwhelming, he got rekt by two or three Kages. It's many anti-feats against one vague statement ("world" can mean many things like I already said).

In conclusion Kaguya should be Star+ Level

For going to wipe her world sized dimensions that have stars and moons. And Momo Star+ Level for being superior to Kaguya, absorbing more chakra fruit than her for years, and taking energy from a distant Star he made burn out.

The Ootutsuki-oogly is quite simple. They go to planet from planet, defeating the strongest inhabitants, planting god tree, having it absorb all life from the planet, so that the planet can produce a chakra fruit. They then eat the fruit, or harvest the fruit for another claim member, to gain a incredible boost in power. Momoshiki and Kinshiki have done this for hundreds of years.

Plus I feel like the creator was going for a Raditz comes to Earth first then followed up by 2 other Mode powerful aliens Nappa and Vegeta, type thing.

The overall problem is that you assumed many factors, took vague statements at face value, and ignored the anti-feats showing we've seen first hand. So no, Kaguya >>> Fused Momo, let alone base momo.

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@revold: Kaguya dimensions are planet sized not gonna argue

Two of these planet sized dimensions have a space with the world, a moon, and sun / Star. The place even has a day / night cycle.

She was going to wipe out all these dimensions. She’s Star Level 100%.

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Lol Ichigo is now higher than Naruto.

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@revold: Kaguya dimensions are planet sized not gonna argue

Two of these planet sized dimensions have a space with the world, a moon, and sun / Star. The place even has a day / night cycle.

She was going to wipe out all these dimensions. She’s Star Level 100%.

She was going to wipe out ALL those dimensions? I don't rmb this being stated nor does it make any sense since she only needs to erase one to finish the battle. And why do u think Kaguya's dimensions are only planet-sized when the Earth dimension is Universe-sized?

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@token1300: hes actually universal bleach dimension have space stars ect.

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@token1300: yet her dimensions were created from earths chakra so its not as powerful as a real one

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Still not as good as Mountain level MCU Black Panther.

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they might as well upgrade naruto as well then.

since it was mentioned many times that the Juubi is planet Level by Chakra sensing shinobi.

Madara and Obito>>>juubi

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@undre: here comes bleach suck up ????

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@undre: She created her dimensions after eating chakra fruit from fodder humans at the time. Some of these planet sized dimensions are different. One of them has way higher gravity than ours. Meaning this world may be in fact larger than Earth’s.

Her other dimension is the sand dimension which has been seen to have 1 Moon and 1 Sun. The Sunlight is indication that it’s from a close Star / Sun. This alone should’ve made her Star+ Level for creating that said space that has a World, Sun, and Moon. But vsbattle didn’t upgrade Her for this yet they upgraded SK for creating a dimension of Stars in Space. Lol super biased.

3- Kaguya’s Ice Dimension has a Day / Night cycle. At night you can see Two Moons. During the day the sky is clear and blue. This dimension is so vast it took Sasuke years just to travel ones like this and finally find Kaguya’s castle which held a scroll.

4- Her Core Dimension is said to be a world / dimension that connects all her worlds. They even state destroying this world would begin a new Space.

My hypothesis is Kaguya created a Space full of planets, created a Star for them to revolve around, some planets have a moon or two, and some are further from the Star. N she can teleport herself or anyone to these different planets in her Space if need be. But the Core planet connects all of her worlds. N when she destroys the Core she will destroy her entire Space, including the Star, Planets, and Moon, then create a new one, in her image.

So basically she can created a small solar system full of 7 planets with Moons, that revolve around a Star.....with only 1 chakra fruit. After absorbing allied shinobi force chakra, she gained even more power than her Prime, and could destroy her Core planet that connects all her dimensions. This is later confirming that she can create and also destroy her Space.

Trying to claim SK is Universe Level for creating multiple stars and Kaguya not star level or even dwarf star level for creating her own Space which holds worlds n a Star is Biased and Bananas ?

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@revold The manga said she created a new Time-Space, but the destroy dimension part is a databook statement.

Have you read this series???? its literally stated on panel in the manga that she was going to destroy the dimension and make a new one, its just further reiterated by the Data-Book.

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The dimension are universe-sized by common sense so it's almost as vague as saying "I'm going to destroy the world", which could range from meaning a life wiper to destroying all of Spacetime itself.

The dimensions aren't universe-sized they're pocket dimensions that Kaguya herself created therefore they're only as big as we can quantifiable see I.E. Star+Multiple Moons+Planet at max at least until we get more info on Kaguya's pocket dimensions which could change things. The statement wasn't "I'm gonna destroy the world" it was "imma destroy this dimension and make a new one" she was literally going to destroy the Time-Space this is stated on panel.

In this case she only aimed to finish Team 7 for good, so having a planet-sized ETSB is good enough.

Doesn't matter this argument is completely contradicted by on-panel evidence she was going to destroy the entire dimension not just the planet they were on.

Remember, Kaguya don't know how big the dimension is herself, and she could very well refer to just the root-dimension planet.

That's complete and utter head-canon that isn't backed up by anything where is the statement or implication she doesn't know how big her dimensions are?? no she was referring to the entire dimension.

The same applies for "creating" dimensions, which could mean just building infrastructure on the planet's surface to creating the space-time fabric itself.

its verbatim stated she creates new time-spaces with ETSO.

Nevermind that, because she was never even stated to have created them. It's like saying Kid Obito "created" his Kamui dimension, when he only obtained an ability to access it.

She was stated to create a new one with ETSO, Obito's dimension is a different case all together.

Not all chakra fruit contains the same amount of chakra. The Shinju on Momoshiki's planet are much smaller than the one on Earth. Momoshiki even said Naruto would become one Shinju with only one Bijuu, whereas the one on Earth took nine. And Momoshiki doesn't eat Shinju fruit as regularly as you may think, since he said "finally an adequate harvest". He usually just take small doses in the form of Red Earth.

Momoshiki also absorbed all the energy on the planet in seconds and yet couldn't absorb all of Naruto's chakra after a few hours, just shows you how much stronger Naruto got.

He didn't absorb the whole planet one shot, he did that over time. He took almost a day and barely absorbed half of Kurama's chakra. Just look at how many Shinju there are on his planet and you can imagine how long he took to "devastate the planet". And he definitely didn't cause the Sun to die out, you would have to give me more evidence other than the mistranslation we talked before.

He's created a star in his nursery dimension and absorbed all the energy contained within said dimension after absorbing Kinshiki thats legitimately 2 star level feats. And even without that last statement translations of that epilogue page still imply the stars fate was Momoshiki's doing.

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Again, he did not create any dimension, at least not in the way you think.

Again he did just like Kaguya did. 100% in the way i think.

Also, Momoshiki doesn't possess chakra from all the planets he absorbed before, he still uses chakra over time, especially when he attempts to conquer the civilizations.

He gains an amp with every chakra fruit he eats and his ones unlike Kaguya's drained the planets drain of energy.

Confirmed by who? Sasuke? After he realised Kaguya prepared an army, he only stated the obvious, that there is a threat out there greater than Kaguya. That was completely independent of who Momoshiki and Kinshiki was. Also Kaguya created the Zetsu army when she was still much weaker.

Sasuke after reading the scroll stated his hypothesis was correct and the scroll in question he read was only a warning for Momo and Kin;

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Scroll is stated to be a warning for a pair of Otsutsuki and name drops Momoshiki and Kinshiki which is info Sasuke didn't have up until this point consistent with the fact they travel in pairs as well;

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"The big guy is Kinshiki...and the short one is Momoshiki..We finally decoded that scroll. The gist of what it says...is a warning about this pair's invasion apparently" -Sasuke Boruto Manga.

Momoshiki didn't even know how strong Kaguya became.

But Kaguya did and she still thought Momoshiki and Kinshiki were too strong to face without an army, in fact its stated in the canon novel written by Kodachi that she couldn't even oppose them without an army;

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Yet when he unleashed his power, all it did was slicing the nearby Shinju into half. Kinshiki himself is even more underwhelming, he got rekt by two or three Kages. It's many anti-feats against one vague statement ("world" can mean many things like I already said).

1) There's this concept called attack potency and it exists in Naruto.

2) Kinshiki legitimately scales above Toneri who has planet level feats and Kurama who has arguments for planet level status (having 3 planet level statements, scaling ridiculously above a moon busting canon and scaling to a large portion of a large portion of Kaguya's chakra (Ten Tails) who's literally Large Star Level in AP) this statement is just more icing on the cake in all honesty

3) The Kage did not wreck him Chojuro got legit 1 shot by him when he tried something and Kurotsuchi got a surprise punch on him which didn't even affect him at all it just sent him backwards, Sasuke was the one who bodied him which says nothing as said person scales more relatively to Fused Momoshiki, the only thing the Kages did was seal him which doesn't really take away from Kinishiki as seals have always been capable of doing such to stronger opponents, plus again the Kages were vouched for by Sasuke even before the fight so they just got stronger after the war.

4) No real anti-feats exist none of the Kages did anything remotely that impressive against a serious Kinshiki and Momoshiki they got bodied in 1v1 exchanges the only thing u could bring up thats legitimate is the sealing which again is just a feat for Kurotsuchi nothing else.

5) We both know the context of that statement makes this argument irrelevant.

The overall problem is that you assumed many factors, took vague statements at face value, and ignored the anti-feats showing we've seen first hand.

I'm not making any assumption in fact if we go off of occum razor it is you who is making more assumption by ignoring multiple statements that imply Momoshiki is stronger than her, and again i'd like to see these anti-feats.

So no, Kaguya >>> Fused Momo, let alone base momo.

Nope Fused Momoshiki > Kaguya, you can argue Kaguya > Base Momoshiki since she was scared of Kinshiki and Momoshiki as a pair rather than on their own but i digress.

@token1300 ya forgot he made a star in his nursery dimension dog don't u worry tho i gotcha back

OT: Seriously don't understand VB Naruto top tiers have better arguments and feats for Large Planet Level and yet they still in Small Planet Level ridiculous also ridiculous how Naruto got downgraded in speed on VB around the same time.

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#46  Edited By ourmanuel

I find it funny how vsbattles if all people has naruto at MHS+

Id expected them to put him at MFTL or something

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Muh, Now I just need to wait until L A R G E S T A R L E V E L M O M O S H I K I

Just give Jigen Plot Manipulation, Acausality, and Probability Manipulation then we can say that he solos DBS ??????

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#48  Edited By ourmanuel

@takenstew22 said:

Not that VSBattles should be taken seriously but do any Bleach characters actually have planet level feats? Scaling is cool and all when it makes sense but...

Soul king Yhwach is the only one who can be argued to be planet level and above.

He has no feats on that level, but plot, lore and multiple statements from himself and other characters say he can do it.

But that’s nowhere near his usual/casual capacity(which would be around large/small country imo)

It was more of a final cataclysm thing, kinda like kaguya’s ETSB

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@takenstew22 said:

Not that VSBattles should be taken seriously but do any Bleach characters actually have planet level feats? Scaling is cool and all when it makes sense but...

Soul king Yhwach is the only one who can be argued to be planet level and above.

He has no feats on that level, but plot, lore and multiple statements from himself and other characters say he can do it.

But that’s nowhere near his usual/casual capacity(which would be around large/small country imo)

It was more of a final cataclysm thing, kinda like kaguya’s ETSB

Thanks. So basically the reason why alot of HST characters can go up against planet busters is because of hax? Do any of these hax have limits and can you counter them? I saw some attacks from Bleach that can ignore durability, which seems surprisingly OP.

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I find it funny how many Bleach fans call Naruto novels mistranslation and then proceed to cite fan translations for their precious novel "feats." ??

Regardless of such idiots who use novels for their arguments on both sides, neither series is anywhere close to planet level. Naruto has a higher DC while Bleach has a higher AP.

Overall, they are both around country-continental with their God tiers.