A wee bit surprised I've never seen this one...
Snake Eyes (his katana, small daggers)
VS
Ultimate Captain America (shield)
Location:
Large dojo. Padded floor, adamantium walls. Wooden weapons (swords, bo-staff, nunchaku) are on racks against the wall. The floor has various training equipment on it (punching bags, benches, etc).
Rules:
-Begin 20 feet apart.
-Both are aware the other is a skilled combatant.
-Both believe the other is an enemy responsible for killing many.
-Elimination by all standard methods.
-Both wearing their regular attire, but only weapons are provided above.
Snake Eyes VS Ultimate Captain America
I'd imagine if Snake Eyes wanted to slug it out in a more direct manner Steve's physical superiority and shield would give him a massive advantage...But I'd imagine Snake Eyes would make a better use of his katana and daggers in the environment. I'm far from an expert on the character and have only read the assorted battles I've seen online via scans (and only read bios). So I look forward to Luna's take on this.
I'm not implying a stealth advantage, suckah. I'm just saying he could potentially take use of the assorted weapons provided, as well as small to moderate sized obstacles. Perhaps I've made a miss match, but I've always been under the impression that Snake Eyes has always been able to use considerable speed, even when restricted to a hallway (taking out guards before they even fire, IIRC). I guess we won't know until the Snake Eye's expert enters.
" @Dane:Lol.
I think the best way is via silent seduction...but stealth would work, too. "
I guess I don't know enough about 'ol Snake Eyes either... would he have the stamina to keep up with Cap long enough to find the chink in his armor, as they say? I know he has insane speed feats, so that may be enough to keep his damage down if he ends up in close...
@Neon_Nemesis:
Glad to see more are supporting Snake Eyes here. As I've said before, all of my Snake Eyes knowledge is based on various scans of his fights--- and he's damn impressive. I was hoping Ultimate Cap could make for an interesting bout by taking away the stealth advantage....Plus, I made this hopefully to learn more about Snake Eyes. I'm looking forward to a (hopefully) good and not lop-sided debate here. If it's concluded that this is a stomp, then I apologize and at least hope a few of us have learned more about either of the characters.
@Clutch:
It's all good. Just trying to help. Saying someone owns and not really giving reasons makes it hard to take your word for it ;)
" Which Snake Eyes version? I think it really does matter. "I figured the Devil's Due/Image version would be the one to use.
Ultimate Captain is Harder, Stronger and Faster (Daft punkier?) than his 616 counterpart....
So Steve can kick Snake Eye#$%&
" @Argentino_18: Just because he is faster than 616 Steve doesn't necessarily mean he is faster than Snake-Eyes. "Very true. I actually am not sure who would win myself but I do have a really nice speed feat for Ultimate Captain America. He manages to run 8 or 9 blocks before the dust can even settle from War Machine trying to stomp on him.
" @erik: Literally I think these two are some of the most well -matched opponents you could make. If there is something that gives Cap a distinguishable opportunity to win in the end I believe it's his enhanced stamina. While Snake-Eyes has amazing stamina himself, it's certain in the end Ult. Cap would outlast him. "I completely agree. It is just about as even a match as you can get.
" Which Snake Eyes version? I think it really does matter. "You mean between the comic and movie? Or are their different comic versions?
" @erik said:There are at least 3 different comic versions that I am aware of and then there is the the cartoons and movies which I was not considering because movie and cartoon versions have to be explicitly stated." Which Snake Eyes version? I think it really does matter. "You mean between the comic and movie? Or are their different comic versions? "
1. Marvel Version
2. Image/DDP Version
3. IDW Version
...those are the versions I am aware of.
Also some speed feats for Snake-Eyes would include chasing down a guy riding a motorcycle from behind, and up close speed blitzing enemies before they could even move. Also moving their swords so fast they burst into flames.
" @Lunacyde said:" @erik: Literally I think these two are some of the most well -matched opponents you could make. If there is something that gives Cap a distinguishable opportunity to win in the end I believe it's his enhanced stamina. While Snake-Eyes has amazing stamina himself, it's certain in the end Ult. Cap would outlast him. "I completely agree. It is just about as even a match as you can get. "
You're welcome =P
"1. Marvel Version 2. Image/DDP Version 3. IDW Version ...those are the versions I am aware of. Also some speed feats for Snake-Eyes would include chasing down a guy riding a motorcycle from behind, and up close speed blitzing enemies before they could even move. Also moving their swords so fast they burst into flames. "
I'll trust your judgement. Whatever version would make this the most balanced match is fine with me.
I am not too familiar with Marvel and IDW hasn't showed any good feats for SE so far. I would say Image/DDP is the best option, IMO they are almost equal, whoever wins will only win 6 or 7 out of 10. Anyone who is familiar with them may correct me if I am wrong.
" @k4tzm4n: I am most familiar with Image/DDP. I am not too familiar with Marvel and IDW hasn't showed any good feats for SE so far. I would say Image/DDP is the best option, IMO they are almost equal, whoever wins will only win 6 or 7 out of 10. Anyone who is familiar with them may correct me if I am wrong. "
Then Image/DDP it is. Let the debate begin!
I'll take Ult Cap for the win over Snake Eyes. Both are extremely well trained but in my opinion Cap has the advantage in the physical department, as well as in better weaponry (if not for the sole purpose in how well trained he is in that weapon). To my knowledge Snake Eyes has never faced off against someone who can use a Shield like Cap does, so that will be a added element of surprise he will had to account for and adjust to. While Cap surely has faced off against agile and ninja type opponents before.
" @Lunacyde:I don't know what else to say... I don't see any area where I can really argue Snake-Eyes has the distinct advantage that should give him a win. He can bullet-time and is a master of 12 Fighting styles, but so can Ult. Cap and he has mastered multiple styles as well. Both have near metahuman speed, and have displayed powerful punching power. Snake-Eye's one advantage would be his stealth and ninja training, but the situation tapers the amount of help that really is. I know Snake-Eyes has been able to hypnotize opponents mid-fight, but I believe that was the Marvel version, I've never seen it from the DDP version. Snake-Eyes can take out multiple opponents easily, and has taken on powerful foes, but it's nothing Ult. Cap hasn't shown before.
Doesn't seem too detailed of a debate right now =P "
"I know Snake-Eyes has been able to hypnotize opponents mid-fight, but I believe that was the Marvel version, I've never seen it from the DDP version."Yuppers that was the Marvel version. He does it against the Nightcreeper leader while they are fighting on the rooftops.
Isn't the Image/Devil's Due version a continuation of the Marvel version, picking up where it left off? They might be different versions, but the continuity is roughly the same, save for a few things. The only one with the different continuity would be IDW.
" @Andferne: I mean, I picked up the Image/Devil's Due version first, and the first issue implied that it had been years since the Joes defeated Cobra, just like in the Marvel version. "I have never read Marvel's version in depth so I wasn't particularly sure if they are.
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