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#1  Edited By Hayabusa77

Every represented series main villain in a battle royal

Energies equal

In character

Composite abilities and equipment

R2: stats equal

Fighters:

Bowser (Super Mario Bros)

King K. Rool (Donkey Kong)

Ganondorf (Legend of Zelda)

Ridley (Metroid)

Kamek (Yoshi's Island)

Dark Matter (Kirby)

Dr. Andross (Star Fox)

Giovani (Pokemon)

Giygas (Earthbound)

Black Shadow (F-Zero)

Gharnef (Fire Emblem)

Medusa (Kid Icarus)

Captain Syrup (Wario Land)

Big Boss (Metal Gear)

Eggman (Sonic)

Dr. Wily (Megaman)

King Hippo (Punch Out)

Dark Emperor (Find Mii)

Ghosts (Pacman)

Zanza (Xenoblade)

M. Bison (Street Fighter)

Sephiroth (Final Fantasy)

Father Balder (Bayonetta)

Octoling (splatoon)

Dracula (Castlevania)

Goro Akechi (Persona)

The Dragonlord (Dragon Quest)

Gruntilda Winkybunion (Banjo and Kazooie)

Geese Howard (Fatal Fury)

Dr. Coyle (Arms)

Ender Dragon (Minecraft)

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I freaking love Dr. Andross!

Round 1: Balder from Bayonetta. His speed (Lightspeed) with Equal energies to everyone else means they get wrecked.

Round 2: Giygas from Bayonetta. Equal stats + his amazing energies would mind control or take everyone else out.

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@cosmoman: could you imagine how epic the fight would be, or this team up

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#4  Edited By A_Random_User

want to say Zanza, but idk.

at difference of Shulk who I'm sure that solo's Smash because of Alvis(Monado III).

Zanza didn't truly had Alvis at his side. but he do have the passage of fate.

Zanza Powers I guess...

Matter Manipulation(controls ether which everything is made of),Energy absorbtion+soul absorbtion, Power Null and Power Absorbtion(Monado Purge seals/break auras and Monado Eater eat the enemy and eats their buffs), reality warping, EE,Passive Precog, acausality+Fate and Causality manip (passage of fate controls every event that happen and is the system of causality of the verse). What can anyone else bring to the table.

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@cosmoman: could you imagine how epic the fight would be, or this team up

Gotta be honest, I can't even fathom it. So many of the personalities I enjoy clashing~

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Zanza blinks the entire Smash roster (besides Shulk) he's Multiversal+

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#7  Edited By Mee09

@gelato_exotic: Castlevania Dracula is more powerful than you think

Also if you bring heroes into it. No one can defeat Super Sonic. Solaris was a stronger Zanza and Sonic defeated him back in 06.

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@mee09: The best feat I remember from him is creating a Universe of sorts and a Black Hole in it. I wouldn't say off that he's Xenoblade god tier level but I'm open to being enlightened

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@gelato_exotic: He has some pretty high tier feats and time wouldn't really have an effect on him. He has control over many universe sized dimensions and has plenty of hax.

I don't know if Zanza could erase him. As the process to do it is very specific.

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@mee09: wrong, I dont argue for Zanza, but Alvis and Shulk with Monado III(Alvis), the god tiers of Xenoblade is Multiversal+ Alvis is the source of Existence and Xenoblade Existence has Infinite universe with Infinite timelines.

Shulk blinks Game Sonic, and i could argue for him winning against Archie tbh.

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@a_random_user: He can't blink game Sonic because not even Solaris was able to do it. He is pretty much the exact same entity as Zanza. But he could only he defeated if you destroy him in literally every time line that he exists in.

He absolutely can't blink Archie.

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@mee09: yeah he can.

and Archie is only Multiversal+ with an extra dimensional force backing him up anyways.

same with Shulk

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@a_random_user: That doesn't mean he could blink him out of existence. I could see an argument being made. For them being able to beat game Super Sonic in a fight. Not that I agree with it. But blinking him out of existence? Only a literal omnipotent or actual nigh omnipotent being (like Dr Manhattan) can do that. Even in the games his power is absurdly high. Solaris and Zanza both are some of the most powerful video game characters in fiction.

Archie Sonic doesn't even really need to be discussed.

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I used to think Archie Sonic blinks Xenoblade but then I thought that Shulk beats Archie Sonic but honestly I was misconceived characters like Shulk Zanza Sonic Solaris etc. all stalemate each other really.

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@mee09: That doesn't mean he could blink him out of existence. I could see an argument being made. For them being able to beat game Super Sonic in a fight. Not that I agree with it. But blinking him out of existence

Yeah, more like wish him away from Existence, with reality warping, after all, He erased the "idea" of Gods, and when he did that it was like they never existed, it was a retroactive effect.

Also fate and Causality manip via a "construction/place" which is beyond space and Time

Shulk is different to Zanza, as Shulk has Alvis

Solaris and Zanza both are some of the most powerful video game characters in fiction.

Nah you did say one of the most so agree?, but not really... don't get to top 10, games varies wildly, some verses are crazy

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@a_random_user: We're just going to have to agree to disagree as there seems to be no middle ground here

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@mee09: disagree

basically, yeah

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I used to think Archie Sonic blinks Xenoblade but then I thought that Shulk beats Archie Sonic but honestly I was misconceived characters like Shulk Zanza Sonic Solaris etc. all stalemate each other really.

solaris no not really at all. Archie sonic stalemates how?

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@gelato_exotic said:

I used to think Archie Sonic blinks Xenoblade but then I thought that Shulk beats Archie Sonic but honestly I was misconceived characters like Shulk Zanza Sonic Solaris etc. all stalemate each other really.

solaris no not really at all. Archie sonic stalemates how?

I'm giving it best interpretation. Consistently Shulk and Zanza>Sonic and Solaris imo

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@userthatisme said:
@gelato_exotic said:

I used to think Archie Sonic blinks Xenoblade but then I thought that Shulk beats Archie Sonic but honestly I was misconceived characters like Shulk Zanza Sonic Solaris etc. all stalemate each other really.

solaris no not really at all. Archie sonic stalemates how?

I'm giving it best interpretation. Consistently Shulk and Zanza>Sonic and Solaris imo

Solaris is as trash as Giygas. Zanza blinks and Shulk blinks sonic by bypassing all of sonic‘s fate manipulation with passage of fate and rewriting sonic and Solaris as nothing. Zanza was rewritten to be non-existent and Alvis bullied the title of God

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#21  Edited By userthatisme  Online

@userthatisme said:
@gelato_exotic said:
@userthatisme said:
@gelato_exotic said:

I used to think Archie Sonic blinks Xenoblade but then I thought that Shulk beats Archie Sonic but honestly I was misconceived characters like Shulk Zanza Sonic Solaris etc. all stalemate each other really.

solaris no not really at all. Archie sonic stalemates how?

I'm giving it best interpretation. Consistently Shulk and Zanza>Sonic and Solaris imo

Solaris is as trash as Giygas. Zanza blinks and Shulk blinks sonic by bypassing all of sonic‘s fate manipulation with passage of fate and rewriting sonic and Solaris as nothing. Zanza was rewritten to be non-existent and Alvis bullied the title of God

Plus if Solaris was in the verse it would be apart of Zanza as the boss before zanza

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@gelato_exotic said:
@userthatisme said:
@gelato_exotic said:

I used to think Archie Sonic blinks Xenoblade but then I thought that Shulk beats Archie Sonic but honestly I was misconceived characters like Shulk Zanza Sonic Solaris etc. all stalemate each other really.

solaris no not really at all. Archie sonic stalemates how?

I'm giving it best interpretation. Consistently Shulk and Zanza>Sonic and Solaris imo

Solaris is as trash as Giygas. Zanza blinks and Shulk blinks sonic by bypassing all of sonic‘s fate manipulation with passage of fate and rewriting sonic and Solaris as nothing. Zanza was rewritten to be non-existent and Alvis bullied the title of God

Solar isn't that bad. Giygas and Earthbound are a different tier of trash. I properly read through Vs Wiki's Ness page since that wanker saying he beats Shulk clearly got all her info from there and it's so terribly wanked.

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@userthatisme said:
@gelato_exotic said:
@userthatisme said:
@gelato_exotic said:

I used to think Archie Sonic blinks Xenoblade but then I thought that Shulk beats Archie Sonic but honestly I was misconceived characters like Shulk Zanza Sonic Solaris etc. all stalemate each other really.

solaris no not really at all. Archie sonic stalemates how?

I'm giving it best interpretation. Consistently Shulk and Zanza>Sonic and Solaris imo

Solaris is as trash as Giygas. Zanza blinks and Shulk blinks sonic by bypassing all of sonic‘s fate manipulation with passage of fate and rewriting sonic and Solaris as nothing. Zanza was rewritten to be non-existent and Alvis bullied the title of God

Solar isn't that bad. Giygas and Earthbound are a different tier of trash. I properly read through Vs Wiki's Ness page since that wanker saying he beats Shulk clearly got all her info from there and it's so terribly wanked.

Sonic is also terribly wanked. Almost as bad as earthbound

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@gelato_exotic: Castlevania Dracula is more powerful than you think

Also if you bring heroes into it. No one can defeat Super Sonic. Solaris was a stronger Zanza and Sonic defeated him back in 06.

Solaris is fodder compared to Zanza and blinks Solaris.

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@gelato_exotic said:
@userthatisme said:
@gelato_exotic said:
@userthatisme said:
@gelato_exotic said:

I used to think Archie Sonic blinks Xenoblade but then I thought that Shulk beats Archie Sonic but honestly I was misconceived characters like Shulk Zanza Sonic Solaris etc. all stalemate each other really.

solaris no not really at all. Archie sonic stalemates how?

I'm giving it best interpretation. Consistently Shulk and Zanza>Sonic and Solaris imo

Solaris is as trash as Giygas. Zanza blinks and Shulk blinks sonic by bypassing all of sonic‘s fate manipulation with passage of fate and rewriting sonic and Solaris as nothing. Zanza was rewritten to be non-existent and Alvis bullied the title of God

Solar isn't that bad. Giygas and Earthbound are a different tier of trash. I properly read through Vs Wiki's Ness page since that wanker saying he beats Shulk clearly got all her info from there and it's so terribly wanked.

Sonic is also terribly wanked. Almost as bad as earthbound

Hell both are almost as wanked as Kirby

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@a_random_user: That doesn't mean he could blink him out of existence. I could see an argument being made. For them being able to beat game Super Sonic in a fight. Not that I agree with it. But blinking him out of existence? Only a literal omnipotent or actual nigh omnipotent being (like Dr Manhattan) can do that. Even in the games his power is absurdly high. Solaris and Zanza both are some of the most powerful video game characters in fiction.

Archie Sonic doesn't even really need to be discussed.

Yeah, Game sonic is already fighting Multiversal beings with Super Sonic, only thing blinking is gonna do is give Sonic a free punch.

Solaris was eating away at every timeline simultaneously
Solaris was eating away at every timeline simultaneously

Game Super Sonic also has a big brother form, so yeah let's just stick with the villians:

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@cosmoman: The only notable feat there is eating dimension as lunch, which is multi-Universal.

Heck his feat of eating the entire timeline by literally waking up is more impressive and thats not Multiversal, just mean a very casual Multi Universal

either way.

Shulk triumphs over Super and "Featless Hyper (Classic) Sonic, fun fact, Sonic in fact gets stronger by game, as he could beat Chaos in base form when he needed to hse Super Sonic be4, that means that the Sonic fightning Solaris is stronger than Hyper Sonic" battle starts: Shulk passive Omniprecog(which bypasses acausality btw) kicks in, he now knows every single power of Super Sonic via seeing them in visions.

Shulk proceeds to Erase Sonic as he erased "Gods" from the universe, purging him from the timeline as he never even existed. This worked on Zanza, who is acausal and exist outside of the passage of fate, just like Shulk.

Either way, why everyone DISMISSES that Shulk(and Zanza) have FATE AND CAUSALITY MANIPULATION.

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The Vissions he has function to understand the laws of causality, as decided by a higher power(Zanza for some time)

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Basically, Zanza allowed him to see into the passage of fate, which works as the system of Causality of the verse.

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Which he has control of, and later Shulk fuse himself With the passage of fate, controlling it.

And the scaling chain goes like this:

Zanza= The Architect<<Zanza with Meyneth and His own Monado<Shulk as a God<<<Alvis(Shulk and Alvis count as one as Alvis is literally Shulk sword).

Plus all the hax i mentioned before, any answer to Monado eater eating his "buffs"?

Even if they were both at the same power level, Shulk hax is too much.

And Game Sonic has never fought a Concept itself, can he even affect Alvis?.

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#28  Edited By cosmoman

You DO realize that since Sonic grows Stronger with time, his forms does as well right? If current Super Sonic can fight a being who wipes out universes, Hypersonic is beyond that. Knowing what Sonic can do will be useless if he isn't fast enough to do anything, Super Sonic is at least lightspeed.

The last thing Shulk sees
The last thing Shulk sees

Speaking of, you said Shulk killed his Gods, what were the feats of these Gods? Anything below universal means saying "Super Sonic gets blinked" is laughable.

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@cosmoman: MULTIVERSAL as in infinite universes.

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scale to and possibly above Artifice Aion(Zanza with Both Monado's is above Architect) who was supposedly going to wipe out the entire Existence, which is made up of Infinite universe. And Alvis scale way above all of them, Shulk as a God scales to Zanza, but Monado III, True Monado, Alvis Himself is the god tier of the verse(perhaps below Archsage Nopon who literally said that he trascends space-time).

If you dont know, Alvis is Shulk sword.

and he didn't killed i guess?, he pretty much erased "gods" as a whole from his reality.

Speed its useless his sword is basically Reality itself. or y'know, the source of Reality, either way he is not Physical at all.

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#30  Edited By cosmoman

Bear with me, I'm new to Xenoblade. (And thanks for the breakdown)

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@cosmoman:

  • MULTIVERSAL as in infinite universes.
  • scale to and possibly above Artifice Aion who was supposedly going to wipe out the entire Existence,
  • If you dont know, Alvis is Shulk sword.
  • and he didn't killed i guess?, he pretty much erased "gods" as a whole from his reality.
  • Speed its useless

Infinite universes is not what Multiversal means. Multiversal = Multiple Universes. Omniversal is more what you're looking for.

Artifice Aion.... wasn't that the guy going to wipe out Alrest (basically Earth)? And if I'm not mistaken the dude Zanza wasn't on Solaris's level because although the power he drew from was unlimited, Zanza could not harness it all and was very much limited in that fight. Solaris had no such limit.

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Gotcha, Alvis is a Godly sentient sword.

And this is the question I'm having. So Solatis has a history of Eating Universes/Dimensions. Do any of these Gods have statements of past universes destroyed? Can I see them?

When has Shulk defeated someone as fast as Sonic to back up that statement? Or does Shulk have a statement on how fast he is? Super sonic is lightspeed according to Sonic heroes, that is the bare minimum of speed Shulk will be faced with a fight:

Sonic << Super Sonic << Hyper Sonic
Sonic << Super Sonic << Hyper Sonic

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@cosmoman:

Infinite universes is not what Multiversal means. Multiversal = Multiple Universes. Ominversal is more what you're looking for.

I will not debate this, i have been using Multiversal for Infinite universes for many time, and almost all other users do the same, will not change now.

Artifice Aion.... wasn't that the guy going to wipe out Alrest (basically Earth)?

Yeah, But after that he was going to destroy Existence, and stated to destroy the architect (who instead died because Shulk killed Zanza lmao)

Zanza is not on the same tier as Alvis, who is the literally source of power we are talking about.

Do any of these Gods have statements of past universes destroyed? Can I see them?

Meyneth created a universe(memory space, which is beyond space-time) alongside Zanza.

But thats not the impressive, all the multiversal or "Omniversal" as you call it comes from the statements of XC2. and the scaling from it. Since Architect scales to Zanza by literally being Half of the same dude. And Zanza with Bot Monados scales above via being himself+Another God of his same caliber

and alvis being literally god from which existence(Ether) itself comes from and being the Monado itself

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#32  Edited By cosmoman

Ok ALL this is making alot more sense, thanks to you! So Zanza = Architect at base. And Architect << Zanza with Both Monados.

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@cosmoman:

  • I will not debate this, i have been using Multiversal for Infinite universes for many time, and almost all other users do the same, will not change now.

  • Yeah, But after that he was going to destroy Existence, and stated to destroy the architect (who instead died because Shulk killed Zanza lmao)
  • Zanza is not on the same tier as Alvis, who is the literally source of power we are talking about.

  • But thats not the impressive, all the multiversal or "Omniversal" as you call it comes from the statements of XC2. and the scaling from it. Since Architect scales to Zanza by literally being Half of the same dude. And Zanza with Bot Monados scales above via being himself+Another God of his same caliber
  • and alvis being literally god from which existence(Ether) itself comes from and being the Monado itself

I can understand going with what you know. If you ever here it in the future though think of me 😀

Hmm, where did he say he was going to destroy all the Universes? I saw that he destroyed his own again and again in the first vid.

True.

So Zanza is like a God on top of a God. Yeah that's Multiversal for sure, Super Sonic is in that same class and could withstand attacks from a being that was also Multiversal:

3 different realities (Sonic/Shadow/Silver) were under attack at once. Defeat in one reality still means Doom for them all
3 different realities (Sonic/Shadow/Silver) were under attack at once. Defeat in one reality still means Doom for them all
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Alvin is very powerful, given he killed Zanza. Hypersonic is as much above a Multiversal tanker as Alvin is to Zanza. Neither should blink the other.

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#33  Edited By userthatisme  Online

Alvis is above Shulk who destroyed a multiversal(Zanza). Sonic is getting blinked 100000000%. Sonic isnt as wanked a ness or Kirby but he’s still a wanked fodder character. Shulk is above sonic and every sonic character by the biggest amount out there. Maybe Shulk with Monado 2 is on par with Archie ultra sonic but that’s about it.

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Super Sonic blitzes the speed deficient Shulk. Assumptions aside, Shulk doesn't have the showings to compete.

a multiversal(Zanza). Sonic is getting free-shots, 100000000%*

Fixed*. Multiversal isn't impressive to someone like Solaris, who Super Sonic defeated. Super forms also tanked time/space rifts that one-shot all other characters.

Solaris = Zanza W/Meyneth and his Monado

Super Sonic = Shulk (Monado III)

Hyper Sonic = Alvis

Sonic has routinely (SA/SAB2/SH/Sonic Colors) hit light speed in base, Shulk would helplessly see his death coming. Archie is spite, much less Ultra Sonic.

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@cosmoman said:

Super Sonic blitzes the speed deficient Shulk. Assumptions aside, Shulk doesn't have the showings to compete.

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a multiversal(Zanza). Sonic is getting free-shots, 100000000%*

Fixed*. Multiversal isn't impressive to someone like Solaris, who Super Sonic defeated. Super forms also tanked time/space rifts that one-shot all other characters.

Solaris = Zanza W/Meyneth and his Monado

Super Sonic = Shulk (Monado III)

Hyper Sonic = Alvis

Sonic has routinely (SA/SAB2/SH/Sonic Colors) hit light speed in base, Shulk would helplessly see his death coming. Archie is spite, much less Ultra Sonic.

You are a troll. You have to be...

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@cosmoman said:

Super Sonic blitzes the speed deficient Shulk. Assumptions aside, Shulk doesn't have the showings to compete.

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a multiversal(Zanza). Sonic is getting free-shots, 100000000%*

Fixed*. Multiversal isn't impressive to someone like Solaris, who Super Sonic defeated. Super forms also tanked time/space rifts that one-shot all other characters.

Solaris = Zanza W/Meyneth and his Monado

Super Sonic = Shulk (Monado III)

Hyper Sonic = Alvis

Sonic has routinely (SA/SAB2/SH/Sonic Colors) hit light speed in base, Shulk would helplessly see his death coming. Archie is spite, much less Ultra Sonic.

You are a troll. You have to be...

Solaris is literal fodder. Zanza blinks by accident. Solaris is above giygas but not by a lot and giygas is somewhat on par with void termina.

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@userthatisme said:
@cosmoman said:

Super Sonic blitzes the speed deficient Shulk. Assumptions aside, Shulk doesn't have the showings to compete.

@userthatisme said:

a multiversal(Zanza). Sonic is getting free-shots, 100000000%*

Fixed*. Multiversal isn't impressive to someone like Solaris, who Super Sonic defeated. Super forms also tanked time/space rifts that one-shot all other characters.

Solaris = Zanza W/Meyneth and his Monado

Super Sonic = Shulk (Monado III)

Hyper Sonic = Alvis

Sonic has routinely (SA/SAB2/SH/Sonic Colors) hit light speed in base, Shulk would helplessly see his death coming. Archie is spite, much less Ultra Sonic.

You are a troll. You have to be...

Solaris is literal fodder. Zanza blinks by accident. Solaris is above giygas but not by a lot and giygas is somewhat on par with void termina.

Plus Alvis is omniscient and omnipresent (with the Monado killing Zanza who has done things above all of Nintendo and Sega) and the third Monado is the context gave Shulk all knowing and everywhere at once capabilities that Alvis can freely give since Shulk is not a bad guy like Zanza. (Which is already Is above sonic) but without the omni stuff it would still be above sonic nonetheless.

plus archie ultra sonic is prob on par with Monado 2 shulk during his fight with Zanza (help was there but still)

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#38  Edited By cosmoman

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"You are a troll. You have to be..."

*Yawns* Weak deflection

@userthatisme said:

Zanza is literal fodder*

Fixed~

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Plus Alvis is omniscient and omnipresent (with the Monado killing Zanza who has done things above all of Nintendo and Sega)

plus archie ultra sonic is prob on par with Monado 2 shulk during his fight with Zanza (help was there but still)

Zanza has done things above all Nintendo and Sega??? Hilarious. Solaris is in every-place in space and time at once, Omniscient/Omnipresent means nothing to him especially sense your guydoesn't even have speed feats for half the speed of light. Evenbase Sonic has that:

Solaris is in every reality at once, killing him in one literally means nothing

Zanza doesn't have unlimited power (Sonic had help against Solaris so I wont hold assistance against Shulk):

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Monado boi is nowhere near Archie Sonic, stop it lol. Scale-heavy Game Sonic (Hyper) is more than enough for scale-heavy Alvis.

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@cosmoman: Alvis is omniprescent.

He also "was at the origin, and will proclaim the end"-Himself

Game Sonic dies instantly, he isn't able to bust infinite Universe, he will never be able to interact with Alvis via him being an abstraction, nor does he have the range to do so.

second of all, Solaris have temporal Omniprescence, meaning he is through al the timeline but he isn't the Existence itself. Different to Alvis kind of Omniprescence, which is him being literal Existence source.

They also move casually through the solar system in seconds, which is ftl+, Zanza fought Meyneth before time and space existed. and they have recreated their universe endless time before

Game sonic still hasn't an answer to Causality and Fate hax, power Null,Power Absorbtion, Conceptual Erasure, Existence Erasure.

I disagree on the dude statement of Monado II being comparable to Archie Ultra Sonic, only Monado III is able to fight Super-Ultra Sonic and its debatable, his fate hax is too op

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  • Alvis is omniprescent.
  • "He also "was at the origin, and will proclaim the end"-Himself
  • "he isn't able to bust infinite Universe"
  • Different to Alvis kind of Omniprescence, which is him being literal Existence source.
  • Zanza fought Meyneth before time and space existed, they have recreated their universe endless time before
  • Game sonic still hasn't an answer to Causality and Fate hax, power Null,Power Absorbtion, Conceptual Erasure, Existence Erasure.
  • only Monado III is able to fight Super-Ultra Sonic and its debatable, his fate hax is too op
  • Omnipresent isn't anything impressive to one like Solaris
  • Zazan could have been talking about the birth of his Universe, not the Omniverse.
  • Wait, what? Zanza busted 1 measly universe over and over, he never busted the Omniverse. So he is below Solaris without the Monado (Architect blew up his own universe using Conduit, that is how Zanza was even created)
  • If I learned correctly, Alvis is the source for his Universe, not the omniverse. Different universes have different sources, hence why Alvis doesn't even know the Architect exist. Solaris has actually wiped out multiple timelines, Alvis is just the source of the Universal Monado (making him Beyond universal)
  • Traveling at light speed is not the same as fighting at light speed like Super Sonic does. Nor is fighting before time and space exists, it's just fighting in nothingness and isn't a guage of speed. Also, recreating a universe over and over is still universal, Solaris destroys them Casually and did 3 at once.
  • None of those supposd hax would even effect Super Sonic much less above. The Eyes of Solaris are rips in space/time and Super Sonic survives them, Solaris can wipe away time and space and couldn't do it to Sonic. Seeing what Sonic is going to do isn't going to help if you're a statue, Shulk would be a statue.
  • Fair enough 😊

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Bayonetta takes it with Sheba or Archie Spnic.

But technically Ganon is supreme

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LOL IMAGINE THINKING THAT SOLARIS IS FASTER THAN AN OMNIPRESENT BEING.

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@cosmoman: sonic has no fucking omniverse braindead. by your logic xenoblade has a infinite dimensional “omniverse” because all sonic verse is genuine trash. The fact that xenoblade verse is infinite dimensional and zanza destroyed all timelines and also kept recreating an destroying other universes.

Shulk blinks composite sonic with monado 3 which is all he needs. Zanza also blinks fodder Solaris you are wanking

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@userthatisme said:

"FASTER THAN AN OMNIPRESENT BEING."

"Imagine" thinking Omnipresence is a speed feat because Shulk has no impressive ones 😂😂, especially given that Alvis is only a Universe level "Omnipresent". Where is omnipresent even stated btw?

@cosmoman: "sonic has no fucking omniverse"

"xenoblade has a infinite dimensional “omniverse” because all sonic verse is genuine trash"

"and zanza destroyed all timelines and also kept recreating an destroying other universes."

"Shulk blinks composite sonic with monado 3 which is all he needs. Zanza also blinks fodder Solaris you are wanking"

  • You clearly didn't follow logic, Sonic just needs his Multiversal feat because Alvis isn't Omniversal. Alvis didn't even know the Architect existed. Sonic does have Multiverses (Silver, Blaze, other Dimensions) which is all I claimed..... also the F word isn't allowed here bub.
Destroys all 3 universes at once (Past/Present/Future), also destroys dimensions easily

  • Literal babble, that's your real ""because"?
  • Zanza didn't destroy all timelines, he effected HIS universe. And their timeline only, don't believe was never stated he effected the past LIKE SOLARIS. Recreating a UUnivese is still only a Universal feat, Solaris was wiping out 3 Universes with 3 different beings at once.
  • Archie isn't even a fair Fight.HyperGame Sonic murders Alvis, given even Super Sonic actually defeated a transcendent being who destroys principles of Space and Time.
@cosmoman: said:

@userthatisme You wank Xenoblade* so bad... why????

Fixed~

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@cosmoman said:

@userthatisme said:

"FASTER THAN AN OMNIPRESENT BEING."

"Imagine" thinking Omnipresence is a speed feat because Shulk has no impressive ones 😂😂, especially given that Alvis is only a Universe level "Omnipresent". Where is omnipresent even stated btw?

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@cosmoman: "sonic has no fucking omniverse"

"xenoblade has a infinite dimensional “omniverse” because all sonic verse is genuine trash"

"and zanza destroyed all timelines and also kept recreating an destroying other universes."

"Shulk blinks composite sonic with monado 3 which is all he needs. Zanza also blinks fodder Solaris you are wanking"

  • You clearly didn't follow logic, Sonic just needs his Multiversal feat because Alvis isn't Omniversal. Alvis didn't even know the Architect existed. Sonic does have Multiverses (Silver, Blaze, other Dimensions) which is all I claimed..... also the F word isn't allowed here bub.
Destroys all 3 universes at once (Past/Present/Future), also destroys dimensions easily
  • Literal babble, that's your real ""because"?
  • Zanza didn't destroy all timelines, he effected HIS universe. And their timeline only, don't believe was never stated he effected the past LIKE SOLARIS. Recreating a UUnivese is still only a Universal feat, Solaris was wiping out 3 Universes with 3 different beings at once.
  • Archie isn't even a fair Fight.HyperGame Sonic murders Alvis, given even Super Sonic actually defeated a transcendent being who destroys principles of Space and Time.
@cosmoman: said:

@userthatisme You wank Xenoblade* so bad... why????

Fixed~

1. Alvis is multiversal and above Shulk who blinks sonic

2. Alvis did know of that character. And “omniversal“ is a fanmade tier plus sonic isn’t even on par with Zanza so you are a troll.
3.you haven’t played xenoblade ever have you? You have mentioned that fact and you are here to attempt to claim bullshit like a typical wanker.

4. I’m not wanking xenoblade, you are wanking fodder sonic. Plus Zanza is technically multiversal+ and Shulk and Alvis being above already proves enough. Alvis created the entire xenoblade verse so of course he knows all. Sonic and Solaris are trash tier characters.

can Sonic even beat Kirby

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@cosmoman:

  • Zanza didn't destroy all timelines, he effected HIS universe. And their timeline only, don't believe was never stated he effected the past LIKE SOLARIS. Recreating a UUnivese is still only a Universal feat, Solaris was wiping out 3 Universes with 3 different beings at once.

Destroying the timeline/continuum of the Universe itself destroys the past/present/future of it by default though.

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  • "Shulk who blinks sonic"
  • "sonic isn’t even on par with Zanza so you are a troll."
  • "you haven't played xenoblade"
  • "I'm not wanking xenoblade"
  • "can Sonic even beat Kirby"

Shulk is more likely to get Blinked by Game Sonic than Vice-Versa

Super Sonic is definitely not equal to Zanza, Solaris is. And Super-Sonic > Solaris.

Butthurt tears because I can back up my claims with the In-game scans? Sweet~

It's hilarious...because you really are Wanking Xenoblade. Also, proof Alvis knows the Architect (simple question since you played the game)?

Dk, but Sonic can certainly beat Xenoblade~ 😂