Smallville superman vs cw superman from superman and Lois

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Round 1 season 10 Clark feat Only and cw superman in base only fight takes place on the moon

Round 2 both at there peaks cw superman is sundipped now and smallville Clark gets his season 11 feats battle to the death

Fight takes place on mars

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Round One: If we give Smallville pushing Apokolips he should take it, just because of the strength differential. (Although you could argue that the star level Solar flare is both a major advantage and implies something about his base stats, but that needs further confirmation). So Smallville takes round One

Round Two: The Sundip is crazy OP. Can’t see how Superman And Lois Clark could possibly lose.

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@thegamerpage: well Smallville Superman in season 11 comics was able to fight monitors, and was already planetary+++++ level in season 10.

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Smallville Superman handily takes both rounds.

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Cw supes takes both rounds

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R1 Smallville, R2 S&L. Is sundipped Supes is most powerful live action Supes ever? Even more powerful than Reeve Supes?

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#7 Johndeyvido  Online

Smallville Superman stomps both round...

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@smilingkyogre said:@johndeyvido: One question about S&L.

I don't watch this show, but why cubic planet didn't cause any destruction after collision ?

The planets were phasing together, they were not pushing against each other physically. However I do not understand why sundipped Supes punching the ground at maximum force caused no physical damage to either planet.

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@parkerkent: For the same reason overwhelming Ally didn’t hurt her but split her apart. The merged Ally (or merged Earth’s) have a limited energy matrix that can only store so much before it’s overloaded.

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R1 Smallville, R2 S&L. Is sundipped Supes is most powerful live action Supes ever? Even more powerful than Reeve Supes?

um.. yeah. , atleast according to me he is :)

he separated two earth's with a punch

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Round one could go either way but S11 Smallville Superman takes it mid diff at best. People really underestimate how absurdly powerful he was in s11.

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Smallville Supes both rounds.

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@smilingkyogre: He literally made several explosions larger than planets with physical force on-screen. Both with huge Plasma bursts many times the size of earth as he exits the sun, and when he punches the Combined Earth’s so hard they A.) are dwarfed by the absolutely massive explosive blast and B.) have their combining molecular structure overwhelmed and blown apart.

We also know that Ally can easily absorb the amount of energy contained in Base Superman, which is canonically enough to match the total energy output of the sun for a second (when using his super flare; which is already far more than enough energy to destroy a planet). The fact that Ally absorbed more energy than she could handle from sundip Clark implies she took on several times this much energy, and then after losing all that power Clark still had enough in him to throw a multi planetary punch with a visible blast dwarfing the planet. There’s no way to downplay Clark here, we see his actions directly having planetary effects on the environment.

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@clark_kent_2017: Smallville Season 11 Clark is actually way overhyped imo. He explicitly is stated to be physically too weak to do a feat like moving Apokolips again. We’re told it was a one-time performance caused by the “High” of unlocking flight, he has some seemingly vastly impressive feats (like manhandling some emotional spectrum entities when they have no hosts or feats outside of hosts; or fighting weird new featless and weaker versions of the Monitors) but he has tons of restrictions placed on him; like the fact that in his fight with doomsday he explicitly fails to escape the gravity of the sun and isn’t durable enough to survive inside the sun, both things S&L Clark obviously does, or that he can’t fly through deep space at all without gravity buoys. Whole comic kinda juggles between bringing these powerful forces and characters in other continuities like lantern or crisis lore in, but it depowers them all and places them in a very limited context.

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@thegamerpage: Smallville Clark is the most wanked character ever lol

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@smilingkyogre: He literally made several explosions larger than planets with physical force on-screen. Both with huge Plasma bursts many times the size of earth as he exits the sun,

explosions that didn't do any damage to any of the earths. You can scale Clark's size to the plasma bursts when he exits the sun and see it's not many times the size of earth. I know new feat hype is intoxicating but let's not get carried away

when he punches the Combined Earth’s so hard they A.) are dwarfed by the absolutely massive explosive blast and B.) have their combining molecular structure overwhelmed and blown apart.

John & his daughter stopped the merging process; it literally onscreen. Clark just hastened the reversal , EOS. All this molecular structure blown apart talk is pure wank. Both earths were completely undamaged even though they were phased into each other.

We also know that Ally can easily absorb the amount of energy contained in Base Superman, which is canonically enough to match the total energy output of the sun for a second (when using his super flare; which is already far more than enough energy to destroy a planet).

His mother's statement was disproven in the same episode when we saw it required a dozen kryptonians using their HV to power the machine and also the energy output of the sun per second doesn't come close to energy to destroy a planet..

According to google, our sun outputs 3.828×10^26 joules per second and destroying a small planet requires 4.33x10^20 tons of TNT(vsbattles). Your statement is not correct

The fact that Ally absorbed more energy than she could handle from sundip Clark implies she took on several times this much energy, and then after losing all that power Clark still had enough in him to throw a multi planetary punch with a visible blast dwarfing the planet. There’s no way to downplay Clark here, we see his actions directly having planetary effects on the environment.

The amount of energy Superman can contain is unknown, the same with the amount of energy he absorbed while inside the Sun. We also don't know the limit of energy Ally can take before being overloaded.. Nothing about the punch screams multi-planetary. The feat is mostly hax and like I pointed out earlier John & Nat stopped the merging process and Clark somehow caused the phased planets to unphase.

According to your logic, why would a planet tank a multi-planetary punch? The statement is contradictory in itself...

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@johndeyvido: Bro Clark’s mothers statement wasn’t disproven, Clark didn’t fully lose his powers after the flare specifically because of the other kryptonians. He retained enough energy to fly to the arctic, and then battle an unweakened Tal throughout the fortress, and then fly back to Smallville. The other Kryptonians contributing meant Clark didn’t need to use the full extent of his abilities, but there’s nothing leading you to believe he couldn’t have powered the device on his own if necessary (he and the experts on the technology all agree with no debate when he says so). As for the damage to the planets, it’s just like the fact that a normal human (Ally) took no damage when blasted apart. We’re told explicitly that merging results in complete molecular recombination, and when describing the destruction of the pendant specifically they talk about how these constructs absorb a certain amount of energy before Molecular integrity is compromised.

That said it is true that the amount of energy released by the solar flare is only enough to sterilize the planet, rather than totally overcome it’s gravitational binding force.

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This thread is getting good.

I believe the intent of the episode is relevant, and the intent is to show Superman do a multi-planetary feat. In fact, he does said feat onscreen. I love how it looks and portrays Superman. The only problem, which is small in the grand scheme, is that the feat does not make sense.

Superman physically touches the surface of our planet, an energy explosion engulfs two planets, and the worlds are separated, yet somehow there is no physical damage to either planet. That alone makes the power required impossible to quantify.

John Henry Irons’ X-K powered pod disrupting the merger further complicates the power calculation. However, Superman overloading Ally before all of this suggests that his initial sundipped state was probably at least double his power level when he touched the planet.

I will split the difference and say that all told sundipped Superman performed a planetary feat … not multi-planetary and not star level. Final point I will make: there is no reason to assume he can’t just go into the sun and do this again whenever he wants, which makes him ridiculously powerful.

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@thegamerpage:

We see tal rho overload & destroy the machine with his full power HV so kal-el mother's statement is not very quantifiable at the very least unless Tal is somehow more powerful than a dozen kryptonians combined..

The only take away from that statement is that it required ridiculous amount of energy to work.

Ally took damage though since she was sent flying by the small push and Ally was still superhuman when she was pushed by Superman.

Even putting the seperation feat at planetary is suspect because a planet cannot withstand a planetary punch and xkryptonite bomb did the actual seperation before he punched it and somehow hastened the reversal process.

The intent is probably to show that cw Superman is now planetary but the way they went about it is honestly stupid. I mean they could have had him build up energy and they fly into the portal Ally was using for the merge and release the energy instead of physical punching...

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@parkerkent:

I think going to the sun to power up is dangerous as it eventually killed supergirl doppelganger by overcharging her cells which caused her to explode

So sundipping is kinda of a last resort/one time deal kind of thing...

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@johndeyvido:

When Tal “destroys” the eradicator it’s a special circumstance that requires the same amount of energy, because it’s a function of the device affecting all the souls within; the fact that Tal did this alone is good evidence Clark could have as well. Even if we say Clark only can provide 1/12th of the energy output of the sun per second, that’s still pretty substantial, and we know sundip Clark is several times more powerful than base, and especially compared to Smallville Clark who cannot survive inside the sun.

You have to really consider that Clark survived the internal pressure at the heart of the sun. The durability implications there should tell you about the intent of his capabilities. (And don’t pretend the sun just wasn’t hurting him, we explicitly see him heal from the damage it’s causing until his durability it’s great enough to eat it) That’s like standing in the center of an ongoing nuclear blast at its most powerful moment, that just doesn’t stop. More it’s like that but under the immense pressure provided by the weight of 330,000 Earth’s of superheated mass roiling and pushing down on the Man of Steel within. The physical forces Clark withstands at the height of his power here are nothing to be scoffed at. It’s several million degrees Fahrenheit and unbelievably high-pressure in there.

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@johndeyvido:

When Tal “destroys” the eradicator it’s a special circumstance that requires the same amount of energy, because it’s a function of the device affecting all the souls within; the fact that Tal did this alone is good evidence Clark could have as well. Even if we say Clark only can provide 1/12th of the energy output of the sun per second, that’s still pretty substantial, and we know sundip Clark is several times more powerful than base, and especially compared to Smallville Clark who cannot survive inside the sun.

You have to really consider that Clark survived the internal pressure at the heart of the sun. The durability implications there should tell you about the intent of his capabilities. (And don’t pretend the sun just wasn’t hurting him, we explicitly see him heal from the damage it’s causing until his durability it’s great enough to eat it) That’s like standing in the center of an ongoing nuclear blast at its most powerful moment, that just doesn’t stop. More it’s like that but under the immense pressure provided by the weight of 330,000 Earth’s of superheated mass roiling and pushing down on the Man of Steel within. The physical forces Clark withstands at the height of his power here are nothing to be scoffed at. It’s several million degrees Fahrenheit and unbelievably high-pressure in there.

Fair point about being in the center of the sun. It is tricky though since Supes gets his power from the sun. So it's both hurting him and amping him to stronger than ever at the same time. Therefore it's not so simple as saying the temperature and gravity are hurting him the same way they would a non sun-powered person. So again, I'm sticking with planetary feat.

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#30 Johndeyvido  Online

@thegamerpage:

Tal did exactly what Clark did; grab the eradicator and blast it with heat vision so what was this special circumstance.

The feat is impressive regardless which is why it doesn't need anyone hyping it up.

Where's your evidence he was inside the inner core of the sun? The movie certainly didn't support your theory, we saw the sun's gravity pull him in and that was it. No irrefutable evidence he was inside the inner core, it's not as clear cut as Carol flying into the inner core of a planet which we see happen...

So unless you can prove he was inside the sun's inner core and not the outerpart then every other conclusion you derived from that premise is invalid...

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@johndeyvido said:

@thegamerpage:

Tal did exactly what Clark did; grab the eradicator and blast it with heat vision so what was this special circumstance.

The feat is impressive regardless which is why it doesn't need anyone hyping it up.

Where's your evidence he was inside the inner core of the sun? The movie certainly didn't support your theory, we saw the sun's gravity pull him in and that was it. No irrefutable evidence he was inside the inner core, it's not as clear cut as Carol flying into the inner core of a planet which we see happen...

So unless you can prove he was inside the sun's inner core and not the outerpart then every other conclusion you derived from that premise is invalid...

God you're pathetic little thing aren't you. Doing everything you possibly can to shit on supermans new feats. The exposition in the show clearly states tal threw him INTO the sun. It literally shows him INSIDE the sun. Tal opines about how floating around it took weeks for him to amp the eradicator which prompts clark to say throw me INTO IT.

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This was a universe altering threat they were facing. It's clear from context, exposition and urgency that superman was all in and throwing him into the sun meant exactly that. INTO the sun.

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Also I can't believe I or anyone has to explain highschool physics to people like yourself that the gravitational pull from the solar mass would be pulling superman into its core. So unless you're arguing that barely functional superman was somehow already inherently stronger than the solar mass's gravitation effects, your downplay for a lack of better word - is fucking stupid. but hey, that's how many times today i've refuted your inane shit? 4 times? 5 times?

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@johndeyvido said:

@thegamerpage:

Tal did exactly what Clark did; grab the eradicator and blast it with heat vision so what was this special circumstance.

The feat is impressive regardless which is why it doesn't need anyone hyping it up.

Where's your evidence he was inside the inner core of the sun? The movie certainly didn't support your theory, we saw the sun's gravity pull him in and that was it. No irrefutable evidence he was inside the inner core, it's not as clear cut as Carol flying into the inner core of a planet which we see happen...

So unless you can prove he was inside the sun's inner core and not the outerpart then every other conclusion you derived from that premise is invalid...

God you're pathetic little thing aren't you. Doing everything you possibly can to shit on supermans new feats. The exposition in the show clearly states tal threw him INTO the sun. It literally shows him INSIDE the sun. Tal opines about how floating around it took weeks for him to amp the eradicator which prompts clark to say throw me INTO IT.

This was a universe altering threat they were facing. It's clear from context, exposition and urgency that superman was all in and throwing him into the sun meant exactly that. INTO the sun.

You are actually the only pathetic person here since you are this emotional over fictional characters. Jeez get a hold of yourself.

That aside, I clearly mentioned he was inside the sun; I was questioning if he actually got to the inner core which is maybe a million Kms from where Clark was tossed from.

FYI you didn't actually post any evidence proving he was inside the sun's inner core but that's not surprising to me at all...

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Also I can't believe I or anyone has to explain highschool physics to people like yourself that the gravitational pull from the solar mass would be pulling superman into its core. So unless you're arguing that barely functional superman was somehow already inherently stronger than the solar mass's gravitation effects, your downplay for a lack of better word - is fucking stupid. but hey, that's how many times today i've refuted your inane shit? 4 times? 5 times?

You mean like we see Kryptonians do all the time even in the so called scene...Clark was literally resisting the gravitational pull of the sun untill he let himself go and was tossed by his brother..

Actually you are correct, I don't even have highschool level knowledge of physics...

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@johndeyvido: Even if he only entered the sun’s convection zone (which I don’t think is the implication of the scene) the heat would be over 4 million degrees and the pressure far greater than the mass of the earth. Clark being inside the sun and surviving is a multi planetary durability feat pretty much any way you slice it.

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Is Ally supposed to be Parasyte?

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@thegamerpage:

Inside the sun doesn't mean the inner core of the sun..

Surviving inside your powersource is not a multi-planetary feat. The pressure and gravitational force acting upon him is relative to his mass (Human mass)

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@johndeyvido: I know, I didn’t say the center, I said the Convection Zone, which is literally the first layer beyond the chromosphere or surface. In those conditions the pressure would be multi planetary and the temperature would still be million of degrees. pressure is relative to his depth in the fluid (plasma) and the weight of plasma in a column above his head, just like water or air pressure. Surviving in those physical conditions (which objectively can harm him until his durability grows strong enough to tank them without problem) is a multi-planetary feat. The sun giving him power doesn’t mean his body doesn’t need to get just as tough as he would otherwise in order to survive the forces he’s being exposed to.

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He was powering up before he even got thrown into the sun; hell, he had his powers before he even left earth just to a significantly lower degree than normal...

The two things were happening simultaneously; we literally see him burn and heal at the same time until he was powered up enough to ignore the damage. It is not a multi-planetary feat at all even if we were to ignore that he was inside his power source.

I'm not an expert on stuffs like this but I'll take a stab at estimating a highball of the feat:

If he was inside the sun's inner core then he would have to tank 5440 gigatons of force due to the pressure which is still orders of magnitude below planetary...

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#39  Edited By thegamerpage

@johndeyvido:

Let’s keep this simple.

1.) Can a planetary mass that falls into a star survive inside? No.

2.) Can Smallville Clark survive inside the sun? (per Season 11) No.

3.) Can S&L Superman survive inside the sun?

Yes.

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@thegamerpage:

A planetary mass has many trillion times more mass than superman so your comparison is sketchy...

Smallville superman can actually oneshot a planet as per his S10 feat so he stomps CW superman easily...

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@johndeyvido: Per Season 11 Clark’s pushing Apokolips (which changed sizes rapidly and is hard to pin down in scale) was an outlier that he’s never capable of achieving again. Clark and Lois both said it was explicitly a one time high unleashed by unlocki