Sinister Six vs X-men

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Sinister Six

  • Doc Ock.
  • Mysterio.
  • Shocker.
  • Rhino.
  • Sandman.
  • Electro.

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X-men

  • Cyclops.
  • Colossus.
  • Storm.
  • Wolverine.
  • Beast.
  • Nightcrawler.

Rules

  • 616/Standard versions.
  • Both sides have good teamwork.
  • Win via death or KO.
  • Begin 40 meters apart.
  • Who wins and why?

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The Sinister Six stomp. Basically all that's needed is Mysterio and Sandman, both could even solo tbh. But for the sake of it, let's walk through the fight between the two teams;

Mysterio would easily trick all of the X-Men. Of all of them Logan has the best senses and I think he's been tricked by Beck before. If not, then it should still be in his capabilities to trick all of them. So while the X-Men are desorientated the S6 can take out the two who are a threat to Sandman; Storm and Cyclops (via heat etc.). Both are glass canons and would be oneshotted by any S6 member. At that point Sandman can't even be remotely threatened anymore and the S6 he and Mysterio can solo the rest.

Mysterio could solo by making Logan believe that the X-Men are the S6. We've seen it in Old Man Logan and I doubt it will go any different in 616. Sandman could solo by K.O.'ing Storm and Cyclops before they do something and then he can effortlessly take out the rest.

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#4  Edited By ProfessorRespect

@mrsyg said:

The Sinister Six stomp. Basically all that's needed is Mysterio and Sandman, both could even solo tbh. But for the sake of it, let's walk through the fight between the two teams;

Mysterio would easily trick all of the X-Men. Of all of them Logan has the best senses and I think he's been tricked by Beck before. If not, then it should still be in his capabilities to trick all of them. So while the X-Men are desorientated the S6 can take out the two who are a threat to Sandman; Storm and Cyclops (via heat etc.). Both are glass canons and would be oneshotted by any S6 member. At that point Sandman can't even be remotely threatened anymore and the S6 he and Mysterio can solo the rest.

Mysterio could solo by making Logan believe that the X-Men are the S6. We've seen it in Old Man Logan and I doubt it will go any different in 616. Sandman could solo by K.O.'ing Storm and Cyclops before they do something and then he can effortlessly take out the rest.

Yea I like this take

OT: By versatility the X-Men have far more to give out but with Mysterio clouding their coordination and with guys like Rhino and Sandman around many of the street tier guys there can't stand very long. Colossus is really the only guy there who can afford to take big blows from them but I'm not sure he can take him 1 v 1 considering his history with lesser bricks like Blob and the difficulty he's had with them. If no Mysterio, this would be a lot more combative.

Beast is useless as per usual. Even the weakest members of the S6 like Ock and Shocker can still be a fair threat to them.

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#5  Edited By WaitOmegaStorm

X-Men Stomps. Storm, Cyclops, Colossus and Nightcrawler can handle this easily.

Mysterio’s gas will be easily dissipated by the Storm Winds or Colossus Thunderclaps, Electro isn’t doing much with Storm on the field, Sandman get oneshotted by Cyke or Ororo since he’s not fast enough to get close to both 40 meters away, Rhino gets clowned by Beast and Nightcrawler and possibly is soled by Wolverine and I don't see Shocker being a big threat and the same with Ock.

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Yeah I’d back the S6.

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#7  Edited By ProfessorRespect

@waitomegastorm said:

X-Men Stomps. Storm, Cyclops, Colossus and Nightcrawler can handle this easily.

Mysterio’s gas will be easily dissipated by the Storm Winds or Colossus Thunderclaps, Electro isn’t doing much with Storm on the field, Sandman get oneshotted by Cyke or Ororo since he’s not fast enough to get close to both 40 meters away, Rhino gets clowed by Beast and Nightcrawler and possibly is soled by Wolverine and I don't see Shocker being a big threat and the same with Ock.

This post was still somewhat legit before that sentence, lol. Good bait brah

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#8  Edited By WaitOmegaStorm

@professorrespect: lol bait? how is Rhino touching Kurt if he spams his teleports? and Beast is smart enough to use his agility against someone like Rhino who doesn't even come close to being smartest ones in the S6 or versatile.

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#9  Edited By ProfessorRespect

@waitomegastorm said:

@professorrespect: lol bait? how is Rhino touching Kurt if he spams his teleports?

How is Kurt gonna be doing anything else? He's gonna be teleporting and doing nothing else? He's not gonna try to tag him? It's not like he's not been tagged before by slower stuff: him getting smacked by the Wendigo comes to mind.

and Beast is smart enough to use his agility

"agility" means little if all he can do is flip and jump. Rhino gets his hands on big Hank and it's done, as per most of Hank's encounters with guys way above him in stats.

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@professorrespect: well i'm not saying that they can beat Rhino in an individual fight but both together are enough to cause distraction, Rhino is not tagging both at the same time.

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@professorrespect: well i'm not saying that they can beat Rhino in an individual fight

You said Rhino gets "clowned" by them, which I think isn't exactly saying they can stall him out from what I've seen of the usage of that word.

but both together are enough to cause distraction

For a bit sure, but that's implying Mysterio can't be far more of a big distraction, which I think we all know he will be considering his potency.

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If "bloodlust" and out of character behavior is allowed

I can see night crawler teleporting heads off and teleporting multiple swords into people

I can see storm keeping people from breathing and stopping electricity to keep hearts from beating

I mean what good is sandman if he's been dispersed by a tornado, spread across a country or flash frozen

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If "bloodlust" and out of character behavior is allowed

I can see night crawler teleporting heads off and teleporting multiple swords into people

I can see storm keeping people from breathing and stopping electricity to keep hearts from beating

I mean what good is sandman if he's been dispersed by a tornado, spread across a country or flash frozen

It's standard versions tho, which usually implies regular morals

I think Storm is just a target for the bigger guys to take her out if she starts causing a fuss

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@professorrespect: well, there's too much fodder on the x team

Cyclops is a glass Canon

Same with storm, take them out and the team is ougunned

Mysterios illussions already make the fight a mess

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The X-men stomp

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#16  Edited By EYTedy

I think this one could go either way due to the writing. Cyclops could put them on the defensive pretty fast and Colossus could take out anyone who might have a chance of surviving his optic blast. Sandman is a wild card, he could take out a few x-men from a distance, but Storm might be able to just fry Sandman if she gets panicked. I could see Wolverine's senses giving him the win against Mysterio. I lean X-Men in this one. They have the best range attacks, but I'm thinking 7-3 or 8-2, not every time.

It would also depend on who strikes first. If Mysterio could disorient or weaken a few X-Men then I could see the 6 taking it.

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Storm sends in a tornado to deal with the majority.

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@mrsyg said:

Mysterio could solo by making Logan believe that the X-Men are the S6. We've seen it in Old Man Logan and I doubt it will go any different in 616.

Are you saying Logan would solo the rest of his team?

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@mrsyg said:

Mysterio could solo by making Logan believe that the X-Men are the S6. We've seen it in Old Man Logan and I doubt it will go any different in 616.

Are you saying Logan would solo the rest of his team?

Nah, I meant that he could make all of them kill each other. I could have phrased it better tbh.

Still, Logan would likely be capable of taking out the majority of the team (Colossus, Cyclops and Beast) on his own.

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Rhino gets fodderized, courtesy of Alpha Flight Special #1

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/bqO-HVLw9nksvB3oodWTYQ6H3A4-Gi46vCJAWml4bPu5jjaBCXO_BDVwzTW_Rntue55m5o2yHFQM=s1600

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/R40__E9Kyce8r7JOj3joF6801J-T23GGrMwpxkcemIlvo0GVWmIA6gHql02DTaLGk8BsRQODodcw=s1600

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Rhino gets fodderized, courtesy of Alpha Flight Special #1

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/bqO-HVLw9nksvB3oodWTYQ6H3A4-Gi46vCJAWml4bPu5jjaBCXO_BDVwzTW_Rntue55m5o2yHFQM=s1600

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/R40__E9Kyce8r7JOj3joF6801J-T23GGrMwpxkcemIlvo0GVWmIA6gHql02DTaLGk8BsRQODodcw=s1600

Ah yes, Wolverine cut him so he wins. I guess Thanos and Mangog also get fodderized by Logan now.

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@mrsyg: well at least they didn't cry about it

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Storm can borderline solo this.

People are severely underestimating the X-Men or hilariously overrating the S6

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@eytedy said:

I think this one could go either way due to the writing. Cyclops could put them on the defensive pretty fast and Colossus could take out anyone who might have a chance of surviving his optic blast. Sandman is a wild card, he could take out a few x-men from a distance, but Storm might be able to just fry Sandman if she gets panicked. I could see Wolverine's senses giving him the win against Mysterio. I lean X-Men in this one. They have the best range attacks, but I'm thinking 7-3 or 8-2, not every time.

It would also depend on who strikes first. If Mysterio could disorient or weaken a few X-Men then I could see the 6 taking it.

Actually Logan's (Old Man Logan, but he's the same character with the same stats, just reduced healing factor) senses have been shown to have no resistance to Mysterio's stuff.

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Storm can borderline solo this.

People are severely underestimating the X-Men or hilariously overrating the S6

This as Mysterio can't do any illusions when he's blown away into another state by Storm as the fight begins not to mention she can spam lighting for days.

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@mrsyg said:

The Sinister Six stomp. Basically all that's needed is Mysterio and Sandman, both could even solo tbh. But for the sake of it, let's walk through the fight between the two teams;

Mysterio would easily trick all of the X-Men. Of all of them Logan has the best senses and I think he's been tricked by Beck before. If not, then it should still be in his capabilities to trick all of them. So while the X-Men are desorientated the S6 can take out the two who are a threat to Sandman; Storm and Cyclops (via heat etc.). Both are glass canons and would be oneshotted by any S6 member. At that point Sandman can't even be remotely threatened anymore and the S6 he and Mysterio can solo the rest.

Mysterio could solo by making Logan believe that the X-Men are the S6. We've seen it in Old Man Logan and I doubt it will go any different in 616. Sandman could solo by K.O.'ing Storm and Cyclops before they do something and then he can effortlessly take out the rest.

Yea I like this take

OT: By versatility the X-Men have far more to give out but with Mysterio clouding their coordination and with guys like Rhino and Sandman around many of the street tier guys there can't stand very long. Colossus is really the only guy there who can afford to take big blows from them but I'm not sure he can take him 1 v 1 considering his history with lesser bricks like Blob and the difficulty he's had with them. If no Mysterio, this would be a lot more combative.

Beast is useless as per usual. Even the weakest members of the S6 like Ock and Shocker can still be a fair threat to them.

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Storm beats all of them execpt for Sandman maybe she can freeze him or send his sand far away

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Doc Ock is beating most of the X-Men anyway, and that's not even considering the fact that Electro makes Storm useless, and Mysterio probably solos.

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Storm beats all of them execpt for Sandman maybe she can freeze him or send his sand far away

Sandman should be the most easiest one for her to beat. X-men ftw

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@noobmaster2001: This seems a little lopsided in the favor of the X-men imo with the inclusions of Storm and Collossus who have some pretty impressive higher end feats to be going up against Streer levilish tier villains. The inclusion of Shocker here really detriments the Six imo, if you were to replace him with Venom, Scorpion, Green Goblin, or even maybe Kraven I think it would be a better balanced engagement on the whole. I also think the Six could do with just a bit of prep time.

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@noobmaster2001: This seems a little lopsided in the favor of the X-men imo with the inclusions of Storm and Collossus who have some pretty impressive higher end feats to be going up against Street levilish tier villains. The inclusion of Shocker here really detriments the Six imo, if you were to replace him with Venom, Scorpion, Green Goblin, or even maybe Kraven I think it would be a better balanced engagement on the whole. I also think the Six could do with just a bit of prep time.

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#36  Edited By ProfessorRespect

@no_one_expects_the_silver_surf said:

@noobmaster2001: This seems a little lopsided in the favor of the X-men imo with the inclusions of Storm and Collossus who have some pretty impressive higher end feats to be going up against Streer levilish tier villains. The inclusion of Shocker here really detriments the Six imo, if you were to replace him with Venom, Scorpion, Green Goblin, or even maybe Kraven I think it would be a better balanced engagement on the whole. I also think the Six could do with just a bit of prep time.

You got Mysterio, Sandman, Rhino all here....they ain't street? X-Men got more useless members. Storm's a glass cannon, Colossus is a shitter brick by comparison to Rhino.

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@no_one_expects_the_silver_surf said:

@noobmaster2001: This seems a little lopsided in the favor of the X-men imo with the inclusions of Storm and Collossus who have some pretty impressive higher end feats to be going up against Streer levilish tier villains. The inclusion of Shocker here really detriments the Six imo, if you were to replace him with Venom, Scorpion, Green Goblin, or even maybe Kraven I think it would be a better balanced engagement on the whole. I also think the Six could do with just a bit of prep time.

You got Mysterio, Sandman, Rhino all here....they ain't street? X-Men got more useless members. Storm's a glass cannon, Colossus is a shitter brick by comparison to Rhino.

really? didn't know that

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@professorrespect: That's why I said Streetish. Mysterios durability is certainly street level, and while taking him out wont be an easy feat to pull off if Kurt can get to him quickly, or if Storm manages to circumvent his illusionary gasses he could be neutralized effectively. Rhino also doesnt hold a candle to Juggernaut, who the X-men have to deal with frequently, and he can be dealt with here by pretty much anyone other than Beast, or Kurt (only directly, I think Kurt could pretty successfully distract or best Rhino via tactics and evasion.), while Cyclops might not be able to drop him, he should be able to at least keep him a comfortable distance away with his beams.

Meanwhile I dont really see how any of the Six will be able to handle Storm or Colossus unless Mysterio really comes in clutch for them. Colossus has gone even with the Red Hulk, which puts him comfortably above Rhino, and I'd say hes durable enough to handle pretty much anything the Six can dish out at him here. Meanwhile Storm has the best mobility of any member on this team, in addition to countering Sandman well, and having the best raw power as well.

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@professorrespect: That's why I said Streetish. Mysterios durability is certainly street level, and while taking him out wont be an easy feat to pull off if Kurt can get to him quickly, or if Storm manages to circumvent his illusionary gasses

Storm ain't doing anything etc. All it takes is one good shot and she's done, easy enough when she's always the highest target usually.

Rhino also doesnt hold a candle to Juggernaut

Well that's great, but the team here have never dealt with Juggs in particular or actually put him down.

Meanwhile I dont really see how any of the Six will be able to handle Storm

Storm gets dropped by anyone with range.

Colossus has gone even with the Red Hulk

Regular Colossus?

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Omg S6 wank is insane.

Electro making Storm useless? Ock soloing almost everyone? Storm being caught by anyone with range since the opposite is more easier to happen when Scott and especially Ororo has the greatest range among all the characters here lol

X-Men stomps pretty easily.

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Cyclops takes his visor off, takes out most of the s6, storm takes out the remainder

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@professorrespect: Regular Colossus had a fight with Red Hulk with was causing massive destruction IIRC.

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@professorrespect: Regular Colossus had a fight with Red Hulk with was causing massive destruction IIRC.

I mean.....that's pretty decent, but Colossus isn't exactly Rulk tier consistently. Most of his fights are him struggling with Blob-level foes.

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@professorrespect: Who here has the range to take out Storm? I doubt Electro can put her down, that leaves Shocker and maybe Sandman (but with the capability of dispersing him with gale force winds that doesnt seem likely.) Shes got the advantage of flight that none of the Six here have, and seems to me would be difficult for them to circumvent while she blasts them with lightning. And while this team hasn't defeated Juggs directly themselves they do encounter him often enough, and are able to survive their encounters with him, Rhino plays more or less the same game plan as Juggs while just being far less effective at it. It's usually spidermans mobility and ingenuity that get the better of the Rhino, and this team has that with Kurt and Beast, plus i dont think Rhino has the kind of feats to suggest he can continually face tank energy blasts from Cyclops or Ororos lightning.

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@no_one_expects_the_silver_surf said:

@professorrespect: Who here has the range to take out Storm?

Electro? Shocker? Sandman? They all have long range attacks (Flint could just throw sand meteors like he did with Human Torch to take him out, who's wayy faster than Storm in terms of overall speed)

Shes got the advantage of flight that none of the Six here have

I don't see flight being a big advantage, if anything, that'll just make her easier to pick off.

And while this team hasn't defeated Juggs directly themselves they do encounter him often enough

Yeah but they have like, a lot more members that can actually do some damage to him. Most of the time they survive Juggs because they can get the helmet off and open him up for TP.

Rhino plays more or less the same game plan as Juggs while just being far less effective at it

That's quite debatable, especially considering Juggs is a lot more inconsistent as of late and Rhino has gotten fairly more legitimate over time. Like, sure Rhino isn't as potent consistently as Juggs, but the team also doesn't have the heavyweights/TP support they usually have with Juggs than they do here. Everyone is outclassed by him bar Colossus, who can brawl.

It's usually spidermans mobility and ingenuity that get the better of the Rhino, and this team has that with Kurt

Considering Kurt has mixed history with bricks from his Mandroid work to him being taken out by a slower brick (Wendigo) I don't see him fighting Rhino unless he stalls him.

and Beast

I also don't see Beast doing much. His stats are pretty eh for a street tier and Spider-Man trumps him in everything.

plus i dont think Rhino has the kind of feats to suggest he can continually face tank energy blasts from Cyclops or Ororos lightning

As stated, Storm will be quickly taken out, and Scott can only bounce Rhino away with high level blasts. All it takes is a Mysterio or whoever to mess with him and he'll also be useless.