Wally is bloodlusted. He'll phase through both Surfer and Rider. Surfer will survive but Rider will die. Hence DC trio vs Surfer and Surfer gets stomped
How so, what is stopping Silver Surfer from stopping Wally's molecules from vibrating? I.e. shutting off his phasing and turning Wally into a statue, these are things that you have yet to address.
Only Surfer can break Kyle's shields, especially since his shields can withstand planetary explosions, solar system busting attacks, supernovas and exploding black holes.
Okay, fail to see why you said that only Surfer could break them, since it still results in the shields being broken. Whilst Silver Surfer's shields are able to stand up to almost anything 'your' team throws at them and he can easily put a shield around Nova, not that he needs one since he has his own shields that can withstand blasts from Galactus.
Surfer never opened black holes in anyone. It was just a statement he said and nothing else to back it up, even if he's bloodlusted here.
You're right it was a statement, a statement made by a character than can create black holes, Silver Surfer creating black holes within people isn't beyond his reach.
If you wanna use double standards, then Wally IMP's Surfer and Rider a thousand times before he can react with punches that have the mass of a White Dwarf Star each, effectively destroying the Marvel team with ridiculous ease.
To reach infinite mass one must be travelling at light speed, light travels 0.3cm in one picosecond (Silver Surfer has feats that suggest he can think/operate within the picosecond range) so explain to me how Wally is going to blitz someone who can easily react to him, and before you say "Well Wally isn't going to be travelling at light speed, he's going to be travelling at 3 trillion x FTL, so that way they won't be able to react to him etc. etc. etc." Well firstly, travelling faster than the speed of light doesn't increase mass so his damage would still be the same and secondly, Silver Surfer has greater travel speed feats (which when looked closely, indicates that Silver Surfer can react to things approaching him at quicker speeds than Wally can ever hope of, so once again; Silver Surfer can react to him).
Kyle can go tit for tat with Surfer in raw power. Only thing Surfer has going for him is raw versatility
Don't see how. Kyle (as far as i'm aware is large planetary, at best; unless I've missed some feats) Whilst Silver Surfer is comfortably at star level and me and Jlone would both push it for Silver Surfer being at Solar System levels in terms of raw power.
Wally is utterly useless here
despite people saying otherwise because he can't react to a bloodlusted Wally and neither can Surfer. Rider can't resist having his molecules exploding, effectively killing him.
I'm not going to make an argument for Rider's reaction times since I don't know him well enough to do, I can however say and have already proven that Silver Surfer can in-fact react to Wally's IMP. I could however you Silver Surfer's travel speed feats and use them as speed blitzing feats since they are effectively the same things (straight line travelling over a large distance) and say that no-one on the DC team possesses the reactions to react to a speed blitz from Silver Surfer.
Rider can't resist having his molecules exploding, effectively killing him.
Wally can't resist having his molecules stopped, effectively making him more useless than he already is.
You won't see a case because you believe Surfer unbeatable in every possible scenario.
Not really the case though is it. I have stated time and time again that Silver Surfer would lose to a number of beings, and when an argument is brought forth that I can't dispute then I would concede the fight, so far however I have yet to see such an argument.
The fact that Wally had to be nerfed in this fight says something.
Yeah it stops people from saying "Speed steal gg no re". It's not a nerf, it's to stop fanboys from using an outdated argument that won't work on the characters involved (specifically Silver Surfer).
Otherwise he'd throw them both in the Speed Force and have its energies destroy them or rob their kinetic energy and be done with it.
You act like both Silver Surfer & Nova Prime are just going to be standing there twiddling their thumbs, Silver Surfer would probably already know how to effectively eliminate the threats present due to his Cosmic Awareness.
- He could easily stop all of Wally's molecules from vibrating thus taking him out of the fight immediately unless you can prove Wally has a counter for such measures.
- He could take out Kyle & Nathaniel with his much greater energy manipulation feats or just with his sheer versatility that neither Kyle nor Nathaniel posses counters for.