Silver Surfer/Martian Manhunter vs Captain Atom/Adam Warlock

RULES:

Morals off.

Random encounter.

Perfect teamwork.

Post Crisis/N-52/Rebirth and 616 BASE versions( no amps like soul gem,etc)

Win by death, KO, incap.

Surfer is the most powerful here and Manhunter can, at least, contend with either, if not outright beat them. Team 1 solidly.

I've heard a lot of people claim that Warlock > Surfer tho. What do you think about that?

Hard to say. I'd consider Magus as Surfer level or above. Maybe Warlock could be there too. From what I know, Surfer is > Warlock, but it might be more beneficial to get more educated opinions.

I'd say Surfer's stronger than Warlock, but Magus is debatable. Atom's the weakest link here by about two miles not accounting for his lack of TP defence.

Silver Surfer is the MVP here.

bump.

What do you mean lack of TP Defense?

Has feats against Synapse, Starro, Mirabi ( Whom Mordru was powerless against ), and Nekron in his own realm.

Not exactly a lack of Defense.

Captain Atom and Silver Surfer are like Neck and Neck in power, giving the edge to Atom as i don't see Surfer busting a universe on panel like Captain Atom has (multiple times). His fight with Nekron was one that drained the entire universe as well, Surfer with scaling could compete.

Both have Hax, and yes Atom has some of the best TP/Magic defenses, Aristeaus was correct. Starro + A being that Controlled Mordru + Synapse (who took out Maxima) all were resisted by Captain Atom:

He resisted Lord Maxwell I think too

IDK how powerful Adam Warlock is but I heard he 1-shot Surfer like fodder, Orion level. That's a bit much for MMH... Captain atom vs Warlock? Don't know.

I'm undecided. Might return to this thread later.

@boutatakeanl: The thing Is Warlock One shot Norrin Radd already so he definitely has the fire power to do so, granted Norrin didn't expect it but he's shown the fire power. Also not sure how Norrin handles soul hax so who knows

@cosmoman: Nice Post pretty much agree My guy

Adam did One shot Norrin so he definitely has the power and his soul hax is insane as well so I'm backing Adam because of hax that's very hard to defend

@destinyman75: Glad you see you agree. Great minds per usual~ 😎

And agreed on the Hax. Unless you have very specific instances resisting Soul absorption/manipulation it's pretty much an easy dub. Adam (Soul gem) vs Orion had me do deep research for that very reason (planetary-universal, thank Goodness), so giving it to Adam W. Is completely understandable.

@cosmoman: he oneshotted surfer from behind, that hardly counts, it's like when captain marvel oneshotted superman via cheap shot lol

So if a Toddler or 11 Y/O punches you from behind, you sleeping or nah?

Superman/Captain Marvel proves it further, it took more than 1 cheapshot to take down Superman 😂😂. Surfer got Straight no-diffed and his ability to do so wasn't even in question from either party lol:

Captain Marvel says Luck + Magic is why he was able to take down Supes. Silver Surfer just got plain oneshotted by Adam.

@cosmoman: I heard some people say this instance of Adam one-shotting Surfer was non-canon. Is it true?

@thedevil98: Sorry for the wait man, at work so I'm replying super slow. Creative thread as always!~

But yeah, I've never seen proof silver Surfer getting one-shotted is Non-Canon. Canon till proven otherwise in my book.