Silver Surfer, Moondragon & Terrax vs Shaman Nate Grey, Jean Grey & Rachel Grey
Nate Grey is Shaman
Jean has her pink form
Start 100 meters apart
Team 2. Rachel was already handling Terrax fine in X-Men Gold. Jean Grey I believe is a superior telepath to Moondragon, and with pink form she would have a decent amount of psionic energy to amp herself with. Shaman Nate vs Surfer will likely depend on whether Nate abuses his reality and time hax
Unpopular opinion, Shaman Nate grey is overrated. He has one massive multiverse outlier feat that contradicts all his other showings, take it away and Savior Cable, legion, Xavier, Shadow king, Jean, and Rachel all look more impressive than him.
Nosebleeding from a scanning a million people in a city isn't going to cut it. (A low end feat, but I'm just poking fun).
Honestly I think surfer could solo Jean and Rachel, but he'd probably be facing Nate. He would win anyway, bite me. I love Nate, but I'm not wowed.
Terrax jobs to Rachel, or we take him as how he should be portrayed and scale him to other heralds and telepathy and everything and say he wins. Nah, I feel like he'd job .
Moondragon and Jean feels like a tie. I'm still not sure who would win, they've both been updated over the years.
Ehhh, basically I don't know which side wins
@geekryan: Show me where it’s not completely psychic. I’m pretty sure Marvel stated it’s Oshtur realm of the mind.
The dimension was astral dimension. You didn't read the part where he said spare your energy and goes on to say it’s the source of his powers?
The Power Cosmic originated from the Astral Plane, hence why SS would be able to draw from it, and why he's more powerful there. There is ZERO evidence he can amp himself from other telepaths.
Also, may I introduce you to Pink Form Jean and Shaman Nate, who actually have feats of draining/absorbing psychic energy?
Not purely, no.
And even if it was: amping himself while in a dimension where he gets his power from doesn't mean he can amp himself from telepaths.
Meanwhile, both Jean and Nate can most definitely drain SS of his own psychic energy.
@kasya_carey: SS isn't absorbing the psychic energy of the astral plane. He's tapping the power cosmic (cosmic energy) it generates. The reason why he says he can't be drained in that scan, is because he's tapped into the source, which is too vast to drain. If it's the source of the power cosmic, then there is obviously more to it than psychic energy.
Greys win. Literally all of the people on team 2 are superior to team 1. Although silver surfer and shaman nate is arguable. What are the morals? Because they play a crucial role in SS power levels.
Hmm, I'll leave morals up to your preference. i meant to make a morals on and morals off round but forgot
@punyaamrit: ok cool. any thoughts on this thread?
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