Silver Surfer, Moondragon & Terrax vs Shaman Nate Grey, Jean Grey & Rachel Grey

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Silver Surfer, Moondragon & Terrax vs Shaman Nate Grey, Jean Grey & Rachel Grey

Nate Grey is Shaman

Jean has her pink form

Start 100 meters apart

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Summers family for the win they have to much telepathic power

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Team 2. Rachel was already handling Terrax fine in X-Men Gold. Jean Grey I believe is a superior telepath to Moondragon, and with pink form she would have a decent amount of psionic energy to amp herself with. Shaman Nate vs Surfer will likely depend on whether Nate abuses his reality and time hax

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The Greys win with low difficulty

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@geekryan said:

The Greys win with low difficulty

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Eh....

Unpopular opinion, Shaman Nate grey is overrated. He has one massive multiverse outlier feat that contradicts all his other showings, take it away and Savior Cable, legion, Xavier, Shadow king, Jean, and Rachel all look more impressive than him.

Nosebleeding from a scanning a million people in a city isn't going to cut it. (A low end feat, but I'm just poking fun).

Honestly I think surfer could solo Jean and Rachel, but he'd probably be facing Nate. He would win anyway, bite me. I love Nate, but I'm not wowed.

Terrax jobs to Rachel, or we take him as how he should be portrayed and scale him to other heralds and telepathy and everything and say he wins. Nah, I feel like he'd job .

Moondragon and Jean feels like a tie. I'm still not sure who would win, they've both been updated over the years.

Ehhh, basically I don't know which side wins

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Team 1 TP is only gonna amp Silver Surfer

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Team 1 TP is only gonna amp Silver Surfer

No, that would be Pink Form Jean that gets amped.

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@geekryan said:
@kasya_carey said:

Team 1 TP is only gonna amp Silver Surfer

No, that would be Pink Form Jean that gets amped.

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and SS too. And then we take in the fact SS >>> Gladiator

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@geekryan said:
@kasya_carey said:

Team 1 TP is only gonna amp Silver Surfer

No, that would be Pink Form Jean that gets amped.

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and SS too. And then we take in the fact SS >>> Gladiator

Cosmic Energy =/= Psychic Energy

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@geekryan: Looks like it does in Marvel

You also realize that the Astral Plane isn't purely psychic either, right?

And he literally says there are TRACES of the Astral Plane there.

None of what you presented proves SS can get amped by TP

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@geekryan: Show me where it’s not completely psychic. I’m pretty sure Marvel stated it’s Oshtur realm of the mind.

The dimension was astral dimension. You didn't read the part where he said spare your energy and goes on to say it’s the source of his powers?

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Im siding with team 2. I could see someone manipulate the battle so team 1 wins, but on base roster i go with team 2

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@geekryan: Show me where it’s not completely psychic. I’m pretty sure Marvel stated it’s Oshtur realm of the mind.

The dimension was astral dimension. You didn't read the part where he said spare your energy and goes on to say it’s the source of his powers?

The Power Cosmic originated from the Astral Plane, hence why SS would be able to draw from it, and why he's more powerful there. There is ZERO evidence he can amp himself from other telepaths.

Also, may I introduce you to Pink Form Jean and Shaman Nate, who actually have feats of draining/absorbing psychic energy?

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@geekryan: is the astral plane not psychic energy?

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@geekryan: is the astral plane not psychic energy?

Not purely, no.

And even if it was: amping himself while in a dimension where he gets his power from doesn't mean he can amp himself from telepaths.

Meanwhile, both Jean and Nate can most definitely drain SS of his own psychic energy.

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Team Grey

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@kasya_carey: SS isn't absorbing the psychic energy of the astral plane. He's tapping the power cosmic (cosmic energy) it generates. The reason why he says he can't be drained in that scan, is because he's tapped into the source, which is too vast to drain. If it's the source of the power cosmic, then there is obviously more to it than psychic energy.

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Uhm, Shaman Nate Grey doesn't even need a body to do his thing?

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@fcvs111: neither does silver surfer, or jean or moondragon or any competent high level psychic.

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Greys win. Literally all of the people on team 2 are superior to team 1. Although silver surfer and shaman nate is arguable. What are the morals? Because they play a crucial role in SS power levels.

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Greys win. Literally all of the people on team 2 are superior to team 1. Although silver surfer and shaman nate is arguable. What are the morals? Because they play a crucial role in SS power levels.

Hmm, I'll leave morals up to your preference. i meant to make a morals on and morals off round but forgot

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@marvelfan1992: With morals on I'd definitely give it to the greys. Without the morals it becomes difficult to assume.

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team 2