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#1 Posted by JOVIOLMA (6172 posts) - - Show Bio
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Rules

  • Random encounter-No knowledge
  • Meliodas(Dolor and Gloxinia fight)
  • Shunsui(Thousand Years Blood War)
  • Manga/Canon feats only
  • Everyone is bloodlusted but IC
  • Magic=/=Reiatsu but FC is allowed
  • Soul crush is restricted
  • Wins by Death, K.O. or Incapacitation

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#2 Posted by KingGuinness (1883 posts) - - Show Bio

Meliodas. Shunsui would never use his Bankai in a random encounter and Mel outclasses him in all aspects of physicals barring possibly speed. Hell Blaze or AOE darkness blasts one shot as well.

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#3 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (4622 posts) - - Show Bio

Shunsui blitzes.

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#4 Posted by FaradaySloth (9424 posts) - - Show Bio

A bloodlusted Shunsui would beat any NNT character 1v1 with neg diff.

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#5 Posted by Zane240 (526 posts) - - Show Bio

Meliodas stomps low difficulty

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#6 Edited by Undre (3298 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingguinness: his shikia is enough to take him out. It forces you to play a game. If you dont play by the the rules you get put in a illusion and he can freely attack you. Stop sleeping on shunshi

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#8 Posted by Godren (3701 posts) - - Show Bio

Bankai, only reason he never uses it is cause his allies are always in range.

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#9 Posted by KingGuinness (1883 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre said:

@kingguinness: his shikia is enough to take him out. It forces you to play a game. If you dont play by the the rules you get put in a illusion and he can freely attack you. Stop sleeping on shunshi

His Shikai is a big ass NLF. It doesn't appear to work on people stronger than him in verse, as seen with Yamamoto and Aizen.

Meliodas is > Yamamoto and Aizen in everything, so i don't expect it to work on him.

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#10 Posted by KingGuinness (1883 posts) - - Show Bio
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#11 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (4622 posts) - - Show Bio

@leothegreatest said:

Shunsui blitzes.

Based on what speed feats?

Well he beat Resurrecion Starkk whom in base Blitzed lightning+ level characters and even transported one of the lightning+ level characters several dozen miles so fast it seemed like teleportation to her.

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#12 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (4622 posts) - - Show Bio

Lmao at Mel being > Yamma and Aizen at everything.

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#13 Posted by KingogKings777 (2067 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre said:

@kingguinness: his shikia is enough to take him out. It forces you to play a game. If you dont play by the the rules you get put in a illusion and he can freely attack you. Stop sleeping on shunshi

His Shikai is a big ass NLF. It doesn't appear to work on people stronger than him in verse, as seen with Yamamoto and Aizen.

Meliodas is > Yamamoto and Aizen in everything, so i don't expect it to work on him.

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#14 Posted by KingGuinness (1883 posts) - - Show Bio
@kingguinness said:
@leothegreatest said:

Shunsui blitzes.

Based on what speed feats?

Well he beat Resurrecion Starkk whom in base Blitzed lightning+ level characters and even transported one of the lightning+ level characters several dozen miles so fast it seemed like teleportation to her.

Bankai Ichigo and unsealed Kenpachi aren't lightning timers, and neither is Orihime.

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#15 Posted by Undre (3298 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingogkings777: never used it on yamma. And aizen had him in KS. Mel gets one shotted from the shadows. And mel is now were near yamma or aizen lol.

Shunsui is sub Relitivistc. Based on scaling. Meliodas is not much faster than lightning

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#16 Posted by KingGuinness (1883 posts) - - Show Bio

Lmao at Mel being > Yamma and Aizen at everything.

What's so funny? Yamamoto's more powerful than Aizen, and he's only multi-town/city with his absolute strongest attack. Said attack almost crippled him as well.

56K Meliodas on the other hand no sold mountain level attacks and while bloodlusted, destroyed a mountain range amount of material.

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#17 Edited by KingogKings777 (2067 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre said:

@kingogkings777: never used it on yamma. And aizen had him in KS. Mel gets one shotted from the shadows. And mel is now were near yamma or aizen lol.

Shunsui is sub Relitivistc. Based on scaling. Meliodas is not much faster than lightning

wat? you tag the wrong person

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#18 Posted by UltraShaggy (848 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingguinness: Kubo and the databook stated that first bankai ichigo ehen he fought with byakuya was lighting timer .

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#19 Posted by KingGuinness (1883 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingguinness: Kubo and the databook stated that first bankai ichigo ehen he fought with byakuya was lighting timer .

No such thing was stated. This is what was stated verbatim:

"Like lightning, Ichigo pressures Byakuya with god like speed and attacks him at close range!"

That's a perfect example of textbook hyperbole, unless you believe Ichigo is omnipresent due to having "god like" speed.

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#20 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (4622 posts) - - Show Bio

@leothegreatest said:
@kingguinness said:
@leothegreatest said:

Shunsui blitzes.

Based on what speed feats?

Well he beat Resurrecion Starkk whom in base Blitzed lightning+ level characters and even transported one of the lightning+ level characters several dozen miles so fast it seemed like teleportation to her.

Bankai Ichigo and unsealed Kenpachi aren't lightning timers, and neither is Orihime.

Scaling and multipliers put SS Bankai Ichigo at lightning level also his Zenbon Zakura feat is calced to lightning level. He’s certainly lightning level.

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#21 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (4622 posts) - - Show Bio

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Lmao at Mel being > Yamma and Aizen at everything.

What's so funny? Yamamoto's more powerful than Aizen, and he's only multi-town/city with his absolute strongest attack. Said attack almost crippled him as well.

56K Meliodas on the other hand no sold mountain level attacks and while bloodlusted, destroyed a mountain range amount of material.

Where did you come up with the Idea that was Yammas strongest attack? That was literally just a portion of his flames. And that attack was said to be able to turn an area many times the size of karakura town to ash which includes the mountain ranges surrounding the city.

I do agree Glox’s spear should. be mountain level but it didn’t actually destroy any mountain so if i was downplaying like you it wouldn’t be mountain level. And no Danafor isn’t a mountain range level material it’s only shown to be mountain level.

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#22 Posted by KingGuinness (1883 posts) - - Show Bio
@kingguinness said:
@leothegreatest said:
@kingguinness said:
@leothegreatest said:

Shunsui blitzes.

Based on what speed feats?

Well he beat Resurrecion Starkk whom in base Blitzed lightning+ level characters and even transported one of the lightning+ level characters several dozen miles so fast it seemed like teleportation to her.

Bankai Ichigo and unsealed Kenpachi aren't lightning timers, and neither is Orihime.

Scaling and multipliers put SS Bankai Ichigo at lightning level also his Zenbon Zakura feat is calced to lightning level. He’s certainly lightning level.

Multipliers don't matter until you can prove how much his speed was multiplied and the Senbonzakura Kageyoshi feat is completely unquantifiable. Speed of the petals is unknown, the distance of petals are unknown and the amount of petals Ichigo swatted is unknown. Every variable we need to calculate the feat are completely unknown, therefore the feat isn't usable as evidence for lightning level speed.

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#23 Posted by KingGuinness (1883 posts) - - Show Bio

@leothegreatest:

Where did you come up with the Idea that was Yammas strongest attack? That was literally just a portion of his flames. And that attack was said to be able to turn an area many times the size of karakura town to ash which includes the mountain ranges surrounding the city.

Based on the fact it has the highest stated DC, required significant amounts of prep and was the nail in the coffin Yama decided to use to kill himself and Aizen. All signs and implications point to it being his most powerful technique, and it was multi-city level at best.

I do agree Glox’s spear should. be mountain level but it didn’t actually destroy any mountain so if i was downplaying like you it wouldn’t be mountain level.

Spitting facts isn't downplaying. Just get good.

And no Danafor isn’t a mountain range level material it’s only shown to be mountain level.

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#24 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (4622 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingguinness:

The attack never reached its peak so nah and again it would have reduced the mountain ranges to ashes so more like Island level.

Downplay is spitting facts now? Crazy.

Yeah they disagree that it‘s a mountain range. Those are hills.

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#25 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (4622 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingguinness said:
@leothegreatest said:
@kingguinness said:
@leothegreatest said:
@kingguinness said:
@leothegreatest said:

Shunsui blitzes.

Based on what speed feats?

Well he beat Resurrecion Starkk whom in base Blitzed lightning+ level characters and even transported one of the lightning+ level characters several dozen miles so fast it seemed like teleportation to her.

Bankai Ichigo and unsealed Kenpachi aren't lightning timers, and neither is Orihime.

Scaling and multipliers put SS Bankai Ichigo at lightning level also his Zenbon Zakura feat is calced to lightning level. He’s certainly lightning level.

Multipliers don't matter until you can prove how much his speed was multiplied and the Senbonzakura Kageyoshi feat is completely unquantifiable. Speed of the petals is unknown, the distance of petals are unknown and the amount of petals Ichigo swatted is unknown. Every variable we need to calculate the feat are completely unknown, therefore the feat isn't usable as evidence for lightning level speed.

No calc is is below lightning level. Orihime was an explosion timer in the SS arc yet wasn’t even fourth seated officer level. Even with lowball Zenbon Zakuras blades have to be leagues above mach 30.

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#26 Posted by KingGuinness (1883 posts) - - Show Bio

@leothegreatest:

The attack never reached its peak so nah and again it would have reduced the mountain ranges to ashes so more like Island level.

Pure headcanon. We know what the stated DC was and it was multi-town/city level. Stop trying to make the feat more impressive than it is.

Downplay is spitting facts now? Crazy.

Spitting facts is going based off what's consistent and shown. You're trying to wank an attack that was explicitly stated to be only multi-town/city to island level, based on absolutely nothing.

Yeah they disagree that it‘s a mountain range. Those are hills.

Those are mountains. This is what a hill looks like:

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#27 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (4622 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingguinness:

Your view of the feat is head canon. What we’re told is that it would reduce an area many times the size of Karakura to ash. No where does it say he can only destroy a multiple cities. Stop trying to limit the feat to something it’s not stated to only be.

Again no where does it say it’s only multi-town/city level, lmfao you don’t even consider it multi city? It was said to reduce an area many times the size of Katakura to ash and guess what’s surrounding Karakura? Mountain Ranges.

Plus R1 Ulquiorra someone leagues below Yamma easily destroyed Multi-city level worth of structure with his Ceros Oscuras.

Do you really think that a massively inferior character should be able to easily replicate Yamma’s “Max” power?

And not only is that low tier bait but you’re making your bias against bleach here painfully clear.

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#28 Posted by Kalebsmarty156 (1474 posts) - - Show Bio
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Not a single attack is going to touch Mel.

And he turns shunsui into mincemeat.

Last I check meliodos strength is enough to oneshot here.

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#29 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (4622 posts) - - Show Bio

@kalebsmarty156:

Not only was everything you said wrong but current Mel isn’t even the one that’s being used in this fight.

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#30 Posted by WorldofRuin6 (3262 posts) - - Show Bio

Mel kills Shunsui before he can use the final act of his bankai(the only one that can actually kill him).

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#31 Edited by Kalebsmarty156 (1474 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok so meliodos still slaughter stomps.

Meliodos danafor busting feat is calc at country lvl.

His strength is mountain lvl so he one punches shunsui.

Edit: I don't even know why Leo is tagging me.

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#32 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (4622 posts) - - Show Bio

Mel kills Shunsui before he can use the final act of his bankai(the only one that can actually kill him).

Mels not tagging Shunsui and Shunsui doesn’t need his Bankai to kill Mel.

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#33 Posted by Kalebsmarty156 (1474 posts) - - Show Bio

Meliodos nukes the whole battlefield and one shots shunsui.

GG

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#34 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (4622 posts) - - Show Bio

He’s a kid, noted.

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#35 Edited by Kalebsmarty156 (1474 posts) - - Show Bio

OT: meliodos still stomps here. Danafor busting is country lvl.

Shunsui gets sent to the after-after life 😂👏

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#36 Posted by FaradaySloth (9424 posts) - - Show Bio

Garbage thread. A MHS mountain level character with no hax resistance feats isn’t beating a MHS+ character with LS reactions, potency scaling aboveboard multi mountain with one of the most powerful hax of his verse.

However knowing this is NNT on Comicvine, let the attacks comparable to town be multi-mountain busting!!!!

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#37 Posted by deactivated-5c9e122a6bc32 (2290 posts) - - Show Bio

Shunsui wins.

He is getting a bit wanked on this thread though.

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#38 Posted by WorldofRuin6 (3262 posts) - - Show Bio

@worldofruin6 said:

Mel kills Shunsui before he can use the final act of his bankai(the only one that can actually kill him).

Mels not tagging Shunsui

Shunsui should be faster, but not by much. Don't even bring up him dodging "light" cuz it's inconsistent and unproven.

Shunsui doesn’t need his Bankai to kill Mel.

Shunsui doesn't have a single attack that's mountain level or above and it will take at least that much to put down Mel. The decapitation part of Shunsui's bankai is the only thing that will kill Mel and he can kill Shunsui long before that.

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#39 Posted by WorldofRuin6 (3262 posts) - - Show Bio
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#41 Posted by WorldofRuin6 (3262 posts) - - Show Bio
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#42 Posted by Kalebsmarty156 (1474 posts) - - Show Bio

Meliodos Vapes shunsui, NEXT!

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#43 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (4622 posts) - - Show Bio

@worldofruin6:

He‘s faster by a large margin and i don’t see how those multiple feats can be “inconsistant“ if again they happened multiple times and Shunsui hasn’t struggled with anything below light. Note that i’m not using those feats at this particular moment but they are indeed valid.

Nah. Shunsui was shown to be above Chad in every category during their fight due to the reiatsu difference.

Cut to the HM arc where chad receives this feat:

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Mind you this is the residue energy from his actual punch which a priverion Espada survived.

This feat is comparable to most of the feats this Mel scales to and the gap between this chad and EoS Shunsui is larger than the gap between Mel and the characters your scaling him from.

Shunsui doesn’t need his Bankai for this fight.

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#45 Posted by Undre (3298 posts) - - Show Bio

@leothegreatest: chads weak arm did that feat. His other arm is much stronger in ap at least

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#46 Posted by Kalebsmarty156 (1474 posts) - - Show Bio

Chad feat is impressive.

To bad Mel can replicate that feat a 1000× over.

Meliodos still stomps keep trying.

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#47 Posted by ourmanuel (11439 posts) - - Show Bio

Garbage thread. A MHS mountain level character with no hax resistance feats isn’t beating a MHS+ character with LS reactions, potency scaling aboveboard multi mountain with one of the most powerful hax of his verse.

However knowing this is NNT on Comicvine, let the attacks comparable to town be multi-mountain busting!!!!

That’s false

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#49 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (4622 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre:

Pretty sure it’s the opposite.

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#50 Posted by Undre (3298 posts) - - Show Bio

@leothegreatest: chad with his right arm did a similar feat

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His left devil arm should be at least 5x stronger. Has a much higher ap