Shunsui(Bleach) vs Kizaru(One Piece)

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#1  Edited By Gilateen

The two with Laidback Personalities Fight it out.

•Shunsui(Fake Karakura Town Arc)

•Kizaru(Marineford Arc)

•Kizaru can see Shunsui

•No Soul Crush

•Shunsui Starts In Shikai

•In Character

•Location: Marineford

•Starting distance: 70ft

•Win By K.O or DEATH

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Kizaru via being faster, more powerful, and his observation haki makes Shunsui's surprise attacks useless.

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Kizaru via being faster,

Debatable, he doesn't consistently move at LS

more powerful,

In DC etc yes

and his observation haki makes Shunsui's surprise attacks useless.

Not entirely true, characters with CoO have still been surprise attacked

What can Kizaru do against this?

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@limitlesssigil: He will probably beat Kyoraku before he uses his bankai. The only reason Kyoraku survived so long against Lille was by hiding. This battle takes place at Marineford. Out in the open he will be a sitting duck.

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If Shunsui at all goes into Bankai then he stomps, but Kizaru should just shoot a laser, but Shunsui has already survived LS lasers before with Lille, so who knows.

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#10  Edited By LimitlessSigil

@alextheboss said:

@limitlesssigil: He will probably beat Kyoraku before he uses his bankai. The only reason Kyoraku survived so long against Lille was by hiding. This battle takes place at Marineford. Out in the open he will be a sitting duck.

He can hide in Shadows, which there are plenty of in Marineford, he's also a lot more intelligent and experienced than Kizaru and would use his Bankai if he felt threatened, Kizaru on the other hand is more likely to play around judging by how he fought Marco and the Supernova's

Also, Marineford isn't really an open area, it's full of houses and all other kinds of buildings since Marines actually live there with their families

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Shunsui is also more than capable of avoiding Kizaru's attacks via shadows

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I really can't see how he doesn't get to use his Bankai, in which case it's a wrap as soon as he does.

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How does he hurt kizaru without haki

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How does he hurt kizaru without haki

By drowning him with his Bankai.

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#14  Edited By Consciouskeeper

@limitlesssigil: I don't know if logias need to breath because enel is on the moon but can he actually put kizaru in ocean water? If so he can win.

Edit * yeah if shinsui Bankai goes off its over

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@consciouskeeper said:

@limitlesssigil: I don't know if logias need to breath because enel is on the moon but can he actually put kizaru in ocean water? If so he can win

One of his Bankai moves traps his opponent in a huge body of STILL (Just need to mention this before an OP debater gets on my case) water.

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@limitlesssigil: yeah just saw it. Kizaru loses since his abilities are nullified under water.

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How does Kizaru hurt Shunsui without reiatsu?

See how easy it is?

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@faradaysloth: boy logia being intangible is a specific aspect to that category of devil fruit, which is why haki is a counter. Don't try and use some headcanon to make it seem like the question was stupid.

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@limitlesssigil: shunsui can’t hide from kizaru, he can easily find him via CoO.

Kizaru can beat him easily b4 he goes bankai, there’s literally no way for shunsui to hurt him without bankai.

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@limitlesssigil: shunsui can’t hide from kizaru, he can easily find him via CoO.

Kizaru can't find Shunsui if he's hiding in a shadow, and again, if he feels threatened he will use his Bankai, it's not like it takes an enormous amount of time.

Kizaru can beat him easily b4 he goes bankai, there’s literally no way for shunsui to hurt him without bankai.

No he can't though, if Shunsui feels like he's in danger he can use his Bankai nigh-instantly, and then it's all over for Kizaru.

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@limitlesssigil: Doesn't mean Jack against logia intangibility.

A literal ocean of water doesn't mean jack against a Logia? Have you read OP?

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@consciouskeeper: And what...does that scan prove?

How does Kizaru hurt Shunsui without reiatsu?

See how easy it is?

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Normal people can touch shinigami and hollows, after Chad knocked one on its ass.

You want to retract your ridiculous comment or do you want to keep trolling ?

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@faradaysloth said:

@consciouskeeper: And what...does that scan prove?

@faradaysloth said:

How does Kizaru hurt Shunsui without reiatsu?

See how easy it is?

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Normal people can touch shinigami and hollows, after Chad knocked one on its ass.

You want to retract your ridiculous comment or do you want to keep trolling ?

Yeah, never said anything about Kizaru not being able to see Shunsui. However, Kizaru having zilch reiatsu (btw that scan itself says Chad has Reiatsu so your own scan doesn't help you kek) means that Shunsui would just neg all attacks he has with superior reiatsu. Basic Bleach 101.

I think the only retracting statement is your "logia gg"

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#29  Edited By Consciouskeeper

@faradaysloth: normal people can touch shinigami. And nowhere in the scan does it say Chad has reaitsu. And i never said "logia gg".

So try again kiddo. Kek

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#32  Edited By Consciouskeeper

@faradaysloth said:

@consciouskeeper: Wait a minute so you think Chad doesn't have reiatsu? Boy wut, do I even have to correct you on this? And having superior reiatsu can straight up neg attacks, what is the hope for a person having no reiatsu? I never said "logia gg" you did.

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How does he hurt kizaru without haki

1) you said the scan stated Chad had reaitsu, it doesnt. I corrected you on that so don't twist my words around.

2) Rukia was not shocked Chad hurt the hollow she was shocked he did it without sensing him

3) Haki is needed to hit a logia regardless of strength parallels

4) there is no way to measure kizaru spiritual pressure so the statement you made was idiotic and headcanon

Try again, also if your going to use quotations you should actually quote the person so once again I did not say "logia gg" I asked a question

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#33  Edited By LeoTheGreatest

If you consider Kizaru LS you have to consider Lille Barros attacks LS which shunsui dodged while critically injured.

Shunsuis doesn‘t really need his Bankai to win and Bleach characters can directly attack souls so Logia intang isn’t doing anything here.

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@consciouskeeper:

1) you said the scan stated Chad had reaitsu, it doesnt. I corrected you on that so don't twist my words around.

"No way...! It's true normal people can touch hollows and shinigami, since they have high-density spirit bodies"

2) Rukia was not shocked Chad hurt the hollow she was shocked he did it without sensing him

She said that he shouldn't be able to see nor hear them. Nothing about "sensing"

3) Haki is needed to hit a logia regardless of strength parallels

Reiatsu and Reiryoku are needed to hurt a Shinigami.

4) there is no way to measure kizaru spiritual pressure so the statement you made was idiotic and headcanon

He's an admiral who has mastered Busoshoku Haki and Kenbunshoku Haki and has fought with some of the strongest One Piece Characters like Whitebeard. No need for measurement, we already know he has high potent Haki. And of course you're spouting headcanon without even knowing what it is.

Try again, also if your going to use quotations you should actually quote the person so once again I did not say "logia gg" I asked a question

You don't need to say "logia gg" to mean it.

How does he hurt kizaru without haki

The only way to touch a Logia 1v1 is with Haki. Practically meaning that no matter what Shunsui has Logia counters it.

Do you not understand the own words you're typing?

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@faradaysloth: I honestly don't get how your trying to debate without using actual context.

Nothing in that panel states he can sense the hollow he hit, so your injecting headcanon to suit your flawed point of view as you do by misquoting my comment and trying to warp it to fit your again flawed point of view.

And haki does not act as spiritual pressure so once again stop.

Your comparison of reaitsu nullyfing damage to haki being needed to hurt a logia is redundan because they are not the same situation. Especially in the face of gremmy vs kenpachi when Ken is being hurt by space and at times struggles to cut gremmy but when he does he can't remove his sword and then gremmy destroys himself attempting to become someone he was dominating.

Just stop

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I honestly don't think any normal body of water, still or not, would do anything to DF users. It seems the sea has a key role to play in this so just any water wouldn't do.

Ot: Kizaru doesn't have enough feats to make an argument for him so Shunsui should win for now provided he gets into Bankai quickly enough.

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#37  Edited By LimitlessSigil

@shirso said:

I honestly don't think any normal body of water, still or not, would do anything to DF users. It seems the sea has a key role to play in this so just any water wouldn't do.

Ot: Kizaru doesn't have enough feats to make an argument for him so Shunsui should win for now provided he gets into Bankai quickly enough.

Ignore this, I'm tired and misread what you wrote.

There's no proof to suggest it's only sea water.

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@consciouskeeper:

I honestly don't get how your trying to debate without using actual context.

That's rich.

Nothing in that panel states he can sense the hollow he hit

Irrelevant. What does sensing even have to do with this?

so your injecting headcanon to suit your flawed point of view as you do by misquoting my comment

Nope, your own words.

How does he hurt kizaru without haki

And haki does not act as spiritual pressure so once again stop.

Irrelevant.

Your comparison of reaitsu nullyfing damage to haki being needed to hurt a logia is redundan because they are not the same situation.

I'm not comparing the two energies, if you actually paid attention, it's the claims being compared. You claimed "You need Haki to hurt Logias" then I claimed "You need Reiatsu for your attack not to be negged"

Especially in the face of gremmy vs kenpachi when Ken is being hurt by space

uh, your point?

and at times struggles to cut gremmy

Gremmy has a power gifted from Yhwach himself lol.

Just stop

It's fun correcting you though.

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#39  Edited By Consciouskeeper

@faradaysloth: correcting me when you have yet to quote me correctly ok.

Nothing you just posted even works remotely, gremmy strongner than kenpachi so then transforming into him shouldn't have killed him.

Flawed.

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@faradaysloth: correcting me when you have yet to quote me correctly ok.

Nothing you just posted even works remotely, gremmy strongner than ywach so then transforming into him shouldn't have killed him.

Flawed.

When did I say Gremmy was stronger than Yhwach or anything resembling that?

Your strawmen are just dull at this point.

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Shinsui wins with bankai

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I want a crossover of shunsui and Kizaru hanging out now.

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Why are people using TYBW feats for a FKT arc Shunsui?

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#46 JuzaCloud  Online

Kizaru doesn't have lightspeed attacks. He propels himself at lightspeed then once he reaches his destination he attacks with his own speed.

Shinsui wins easily

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Shunsui stomps

With Bankai, he stomps the verse.

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The new head captain stomp , with bankai , the entire verse , lol .

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Kizaru has confirmed movements and attacks at lightspeed according to the databook

Kizaru on the Databook

Translation from OroJackson

A light man who consumed the pika pika no mi - Light fruit.

Kizaru can turn his body to light and can spam attacks at light speed.

Although Kizaru boasts overwhelming speed he speaks at a very comfortable/steady tone.

After observing Sakazuki’s “ruthless and thorough justice” and that which opposes it Kuzan’s “extremely laid-back/lazy justice”, he came up with his own “Not gonna use either justice” which gives him the most freedom and comfort, he adheres to instructions and carry’s out justice at his own pace.

He releases an infinite number of light bullets frontwards, It’s very efficient for blinding and attacking a large amount of enemies at once.

His ability is very effective for both evasion and movement, so it’s impossible to grasp even a single one of his movements without being a proficient Haki user.

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kizaru is legit light speed.

laser =/= automatic lightspeed unless its stated.

kizarus laser is lightspeed not becouse its a laser , its becouse he atacks with actual light.