Shootout - Black Widow (MCU) vs Oliver Queen (CW)

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Both get a Glock 19, takes place in a busy restuarant with plenty of cover.

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Widow has way better marksmanship with guns and comparable reactions whilst being more agile. She also has better stealth, tactical ability and h2h feats.

She should win a solid majority.

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Widow

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Widow not even close

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They both exhaust their bullets...

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They both exhaust their bullets...

Considering the environment? Yeah, most likely.

And once it comes to h2h, Oliver wins in a decent-ish fight.

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@indomitableregal said:

They both exhaust their bullets...

Considering the environment? Yeah, most likely.

And once it comes to h2h, Oliver wins in a decent-ish fight.

Pretty much.

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Natalia.

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Oliver shoots her head off.

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Oliver Queen.

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Oliver, not close

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Oliver actually has better accuracy feats. Even with a handgun. Nat is outclassed as usual.

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To be honest this is probably more one-sided than a standard gear match would be.

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oliver would solo Hawkeye and her

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I've seen better feats from Oliver tbh.

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Widow has way better marksmanship with guns and comparable reactions whilst being more agile. She also has better stealth, tactical ability and h2h feats.

She should win a solid majority.

Which marksmanship feats? I recall Oliver being way better with a gun.

Oliver should stomp either way imo

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Widow not even close

How is this not even close?

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Widow has way better marksmanship with guns and comparable reactions whilst being more agile. She also has better stealth, tactical ability and h2h feats.

She should win a solid majority.

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@geekryan:

I quoted ANTHP

Since you quoted him, I assumed you agree with his claims. She does not have better accuracy feats, she is certainly not anywhere close to his reflexes, nowhere close to h2h skill level or stealth. Oliver has better feats across the board. And the gap is ridiculously wide.

Which one of these accuracy feats do you not see Oliver replicating? The most impressive accuracy feat here is probably the eye shot on Buck. Nat was able to eyeshot Buck from what looks like 20-25ft. Oliver is accurate enough to shoot a metal wire from a similar distance. A much smaller target.

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He can also shoot off a sword mid-swing. A 1-2 inch target moving as fast as a sword swings would be extremely hard to hit.I don't think Nat has anything on this scale.

These are just the raw accuracy feats. Combine that with Oliver far superior overall speed and particularly draw speed, how does Nat stand a chance?

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@rbt said:

@geekryan:

I quoted ANTHP

Since you quoted him, I assumed you agree with his claims. She does not have better accuracy feats, she is certainly not anywhere close to his reflexes, nowhere close to h2h skill level or stealth. Oliver has better feats across the board. And the gap is ridiculously wide.

Which one of these accuracy feats do you not see Oliver replicating? The most impressive accuracy feat here is probably the eye shot on Buck. Nat was able to eyeshot Buck from what looks like 20-25ft. Oliver is accurate enough to shoot a metal wire from a similar distance. A much smaller target.

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He can also shoot off a sword mid-swing. A 1-2 inch target moving as fast as a sword swings would be extremely hard to hit.I don't think Nat has anything on this scale.

These are just the raw accuracy feats. Combine that with Oliver far superior overall speed and particularly draw speed, how does Nat stand a chance?

This isn't about stealth or H2H, it is about skill with a gun.

None of those feats are particularly impressive IMO, except maybe the wire one, but that's not even a moving target. Oliver is limited in gun feats, and you can't automatically translate his draw speed from bows to guns.

Perhaps @anthp2000 would like to shed more light or provide more feats. I do agree Oliver is superior in physicals, but that isn't what this thread is about.

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Widow landed a shot on Bucky's eye from directly below his position (basically a hugely disadvantageous position) at what is about 60-70 ft. distance (Washington D.C. Bridge to street distance). Oliver isn't close to her in gun skills at all. Only reason people want him to win is because he's CW Arrow lol.

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#27  Edited By TheSuperor

Pre season 1 Oliver has feats on her level

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Current Oliver has feats she flat out wouldn't be able to replicate

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Also worth to note for this fight. Oliver's reactions and awareness>>>Black Widow's

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Widow because she has better feats with a gun

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@geekryan:

None of those feats are particularly impressive IMO, except maybe the wire one, but that's not even a moving target. Oliver is limited in gun feats,

I only posted two feats. Shooting a half inch thick wire from that distance is better than any raw accuracy feat from Nat that I can remember. Sure, Oliver's feats aren't overly impressive, but neither is Nat's. Her best raw accuracy feat is an eye shot on a completely still opponent.

As for moving target, the sword shot is a moving target shot.

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The sword Joe was holding is roughly an inch wide or 2.

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Even assuming Oliver shot the sword on its face and not on its side(which is more likely considering the direction Joe would have to swing to kill Slade), it's still a one-inch target moving pretty damn fast. And Oliver tagged it easily. Again, something far better than anything Nat has done. So as far as accuracy goes, Oliver has her beat.

and you can't automatically translate his draw speed from bows to guns.

I get why we can't use Oliver's regular accuracy feats(with his bow) when he has a gun, but why can't we use his draw speed feat? Drawing an arrow and shooting it requires more time than simply drawing a gun. No matter who you are. If anything, his draw time with a Glock should be even less than his draw time with a bow and an arrow.

I do agree Oliver is superior in physicals, but that isn't what this thread is about.

The only reason I brought it up is because it was the quote. And its also likely that with so much cover between them, its possible this fight might end up being h2h.

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@anthp2000: This isn't 60-70ft.

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Not unless Seb Stan is 13 ft tall.

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K it's 40+ ft. or whatever.

Still Natasha. Better gun skill, better stealth, better agility, better tactical ability, better hand to hand/melee.

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@indomitableregal said:

They both exhaust their bullets...

Considering the environment? Yeah, most likely.

And once it comes to h2h, Oliver wins in a decent-ish fight.

"Ends in sex" is the best outcome Nat can hope for. Everyone wins.

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Imagine having such terrible feats that a guy who has 3 gun feats actually surpassed you. MCU Nat, ladies and gentlemen.

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Went into this thinking Nat would win, but with the feats that have been provided I'm inclined to say that Oliver is more accurate. He's also faster in reactions and draw speed (I don't see there being much of a distinction between draw speed with a bow & with a gun). TBH though, I'm in agreement with some people above that this probably goes to H2H. In a busy restaurant with plenty of cover, I struggle to see either tagging the other before running out of ammunition, in which case I'd give the win to Oliver mid-diff.

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Oliver headshots her.

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Nat has better stealth statements and possibly feats, she is by far more agile and more tactical... Ollie is as skilled and has better physical stats, and much better aim... pretty sure he might get the job done in the case the fight turns H2H, the most likely scenario this fight might turn in, but if one has the chance to shoot the other, that might be Nat...

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Underrating Oliver as usual.

Not a single convincing case for Nat. A whole lot of talk but no feats are actually presented for her, as usual.

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Lol

This thread is embarrassing for Widow

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Load of bias for Nat as usual yet Ollie came out looking better. RIP Black Widow.

Ollie takes this handily.

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Load of bias for Nat as usual yet Ollie came out looking better. RIP Black Widow.

Ollie takes this handily.

Widow has a decent chance

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K it's 40+ ft. or whatever.

Still Natasha. Better gun skill, better stealth, better agility, better tactical ability, better hand to hand/melee.

Bait.

Oliver still wins 9/10

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Black Widow is being MASSIVELY underrated here.

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Probably Natasha. I can understand the argument for Queen though.

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Widow shoots him in the eye

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Ollie because he has better feats. I can understand the sentiments behind people think Nat wins though.