Shigaraki (MHA) vs Drive Knight (OPM)

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  • Random Encounter
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  • Win by KO or Death
  • Who Wins and Why?

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Shigaraki. Give Drive Knight intel/prep and he wins.

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#4  Edited By SquadDoubleYou

Drive Knight feats aren't impressive, he doesn't even have enough firepower to put Shigaraki down and his best output were melee which gives Shigaraki an advancement for his Decay.

Shigaraki wins if we purely rely on feats. Drive Knight can win if he gets prep.

Drive Knight never lost a battle before and is likely mid-dragon level or even high-dragon at best in power considering his rank, he has potential, he only needs more feats.

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I think drive knight could cut shigaraki’s head off. He is probably faster.

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#6  Edited By Coadamol

Drive knight stomps, he literally have so many ways to kill him it aint funny , acid,missiles, burn him outta existence, cut him to pieces...etc

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Drive knight would bombard shogaraji from range in character. The fact his weapons work on a Dragon class is enough to down Shigaraki who does not scale to All might or All For One.

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@torikowontdie: How does Tomura’s decay power work? Would it not decay incoming projectiles?

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@torikowontdie: @kingcrimson: He could decay them or detonate them mid air using his lomg range air canon, or simply render them duds by combining his electrical quirk with aircanon, like he jammed the heroes comlink signals making them unable to communicate.

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Drive Knight could likely blitz. Though with equal speed Shigaraki wins.

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Drive Knight can blitz, but without knowledge shigaraki just needs to touch him. He's likely to get a touch in since drive knight is a physical combatant with most of his attacks.

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Scaling wise Drive knight should blitz low diff

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@oreoghoul: Since it's a random encounter, Drive Knight could opt to his Knight form or something similar and attack Shigaraki in close quarters where he would likely be touched. With intel/prep, he'd opt to fight using ranged attacks and would consequently be able to put Shigaraki down.

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What’s preventing drive knight from doing a speed blitz?

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@necromancer76: Drive Knight doesn't rush into any fight in character. Are you forgetting that he let his teammates get slaughtered by Nyan just to get intel? He also spent a week monitoring the monster association before doing anything.

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#16 Sy8000  Online

Stats aside, Drive Knight doesnt have an answer for decay.

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#17  Edited By TheWatcherKing

Shigaraki stomps. Regen, decay, way better strength/ durability and arguably comparable speed are why.

And bringing up range to abuse is really stupid against someone that can nuke the city, and decay DK if even a piece of rubble touches him. Shigaraki’s range is far deadlier

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Drive Knight could likely blitz. Though with equal speed Shigaraki wins.

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Without intel, Shigaraki wins via decay.

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So how exactly does this decay work? If I made H2H Boros vs Shigaraki with speed equalized and start 30 ft apart, would Boros lose since his regen isn't that good? Or is there a cap on the decay that would let Boros tank it?

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#21  Edited By GangOrca

@cocacolaman said:

So how exactly does this decay work? If I made H2H Boros vs Shigaraki with speed equalized and start 30 ft apart, would Boros lose since his regen isn't that good? Or is there a cap on the decay that would let Boros tank it?

While the limitations of decay are unknown (it's probably not wise to NLF it's affects) it easily destroyed entire city blocks within a minute or two at most. If Drive Knight gets hit by the decay he will likely be affected.

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#22  Edited By WorldsGreatest

OPM characters are too fast. Drive Knight blitzes.

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So how exactly does this decay work? If I made H2H Boros vs Shigaraki with speed equalized and start 30 ft apart, would Boros lose since his regen isn't that good? Or is there a cap on the decay that would let Boros tank it?

It disintegrates and spreads on its own. It seemingly ignores durability as it works on all characters and material with the exact same results regardless of durability. That would mean it should technically work its way through Boros until reaching his core and destroying it. Boros would still demolish him in every other possible way though.

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@agrape said:

@necromancer76: Drive Knight doesn't rush into any fight in character. Are you forgetting that he let his teammates get slaughtered by Nyan just to get intel? He also spent a week monitoring the monster association before doing anything.

True, but he doesn't have teammates and it's a random encounter. He doesn't have any time to collect intel and as far as we know, he doesn't have any minions to go out and die for him so he can analyze the enemy's strength.

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@thewatcherking: lmao no. Assuming Shiggy wants to decay DK immediately, Drive Knight would see Shiggy in slow mo so he has all the time in the world to analyze how Shiggy's quirk works and just shoot a missile/throw a rock at high enough speeds to completely obliterate Shiggy's brain & heart

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@thewatcherking: lmao no. Assuming Shiggy wants to decay DK immediately, Drive Knight would see Shiggy in slow mo so he has all the time in the world to analyze how Shiggy's quirk works and just shoot a missile/throw a rock at high enough speeds to completely obliterate Shiggy's brain & heart

You massively overrate OPM character’s speed while lowballing MHA’s, DK didn’t even show missiles from what I recall and he’s not killing Shigaraki with a rock. He has inferior strength given Shigaraki is AM tier(has a healing factor anyway), and can easily be decayed.

DK gets destroyed

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@thewatcherking: That's MuhdSyarif only "contribution" to any OPM, MHA battle ever. Try to get him to elaborate past the speed instead.

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@thewatcherking: DK did shoot missiles at Nyan, you know. And how do you know he cant? Dude's been shown to get pierced by revolver bullets in the past and I'm pretty sure DK's strong enough to throw a rock at speeds surpassing 1000+ bullets in a single throw

There's also no proof Shiggy is All Might tier too

I believe ur claim shud be in reverse lmao

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@thewatcherking: DK did shoot missiles at Nyan, you know. And how do you know he cant? Dude's been shown to get pierced by revolver bullets in the past and I'm pretty sure DK's strong enough to throw a rock at speeds surpassing 1000+ bullets in a single throw

There's also no proof Shiggy is All Might tier too

I believe ur claim shud be in reverse lmao

That was before his recent buff in the manga where his quirkless stats have been compared to All Might by Endeavor.

Shigaraki disintegrates him.

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Shiggy.

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@thewatcherking: umm wasnt Shiggy stated to still not be on All Might's level? Even so, All Might is nowhere near DK's speed so it dont matter

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@thewatcherking: umm wasnt Shiggy stated to still not be on All Might's level? Even so, All Might is nowhere near DK's speed so it dont matter

It was said he’s not quite as strong as AM, meaning there is a disparity in favor of Toshinori but Shigaraki has several statements saying he’s in the same league.

Elaborate where you place DK. Not that it matters, and the second Shigaraki touches the ground the entire city will get decayed, and if even a piece of rubble touches DK he dies.

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Drive Knight with prep time wins.

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@thewatcherking: lmao you're underestimating DK. DK isnt stupid enough to go up close once he sees the effects of the decay wave and then he'll just obliterate Shiggy with powerful rock throws

DK can keep up with a dragon level threat which shud have speed to eventually tag Base Gale Wind & Hellfire Flame who are only Demon level but they have 2 digit mach speed

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@muhdsyarif:

This argument is so illogical, you’re assuming he’s going to resort to such a specific strategy that you can’t even prove would work. He’s not stronger than Shigaraki, throwing rocks isn’t going to cut it. They won’t hurt him and require him to even use his healing factor, he would easily dodge them regardless.Shigaraki’s decay wiped out most of a city in addition to a nearby mountain, he’s not gonna get the chance to escape it.

They don’t scale in any way, stop pretending anyone that fights a Dragon scales in every stat above anyone who’s demon. Not that it matters as he only took down Nyan with prep. And the ninja duo don’t even have any feats in base to say they’re that fast to begin with, they pressure a sonic that was caught off guard who has no double digit Mach speed feats.

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The legend himself has resorted to OPM characters "throwing sharp rocks" for a while now. At least he's creative.

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@thewatcherking: Lmao, the dude has little to no piercing durability to show that he can tank a throwing attack that strong unless you can prove it well. Dodge them? You're either understimating OPM or just wanking MHA too hard. No one in MHA is approaching even Mach 10 speeds apart from All Mights arguable feats in vigilantes (thats irrelevant since Shiggy's nowhere near All MIght's level of physicals). If you believe any MHA character scaleable to Shiggy can reach Mach 10, please show your proof.

I dont claim every Dragon is as fast or is faster than Base Gale & Hellfire but they should have speed to eventually tag them, just like how a pro boxer can still get tagged by an amateur if they're not careful. Not fast?Bro, Base Gale (Base Hellfire's pretty much more or less equal to Gale) was able to tag a casual Flash

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I hope you dont come up with an excuse that Flash just lets Gale kick him

And a casual Flash can poke/slash nearly every single Giant Octopus's eyeballs whilst crossing miles+ worth of distance in what seemed like an instant (instant is usually less than a second, like 0.5 second) which is a Mach 20-30+ feat

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@megafanflash: Lol, good luck defending your argument on the other thread

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@muhdsyarif: Dont think I need luck. Wish me patience and mental stability instead.

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Shigaraki

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@muhdsyarif:And a casual Flash can poke/slash nearly every single Giant Octopus's eyeballs whilst crossing miles+ worth of distance in what seemed like an instant (instant is usually less than a second, like 0.5 second) which is a Mach 20-30+ feat

Flashy Flash did not cross miles. He did this, this and finally this, after we've seen him cut multiple eyes at that point. The A-class and other heroes are also commenting and talking about his speed while all of this is going on.

Edit: My links are getting messed up: Here is the panels:

Would you accept this same argument for other verses? Panels like this? Or this (likely even more impressive since none of the explosions fully detonated)? Is this always in an instant to you, like 0.5 seconds?

Edit: The links keep messing up and disappearing. One was of All Might dashing down the stairs at the UA training facility and knocking out 5 heroes(or more) in the same panel, and the other one is where Bakugo destroys and leaves behind 5 (or more) explosions in the same panel.

Is every action seemingly happening in the same panel in an instant/0.5 seconds? What do you base this on?

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#42  Edited By TheWatcherKing

@muhdsyarif: Your argument is seriously lacking any thought behind it, throwing freaking rocks? Something he’s never done and has no real reason to do? At least try.

Lmao, the dude has little to no piercing durability to show that he can tank a throwing attack that strong unless you can prove it well.

Give a single feat to prove he can hurt All Might tier characters with his strength.

Knowing you you’ll bring up another character that DK has never met, and doesn’t scale to in any way shape or form.

You're either understimating OPM or just wanking MHA too hard. No one in MHA is approaching even Mach 10 speeds apart from All Mights arguable feats in vigilantes (thats irrelevant since Shiggy's nowhere near All MIght's level of physicals).

You’re overrating OPM. We’ve already established Shigaraki is in the same tier, even if not an exact equal while he’s quirkless. Endeavor was able to outpace sound before it could even reach Deku who was right behind him calling for him to outspeed it significantly calling for hypersonic speed, and even Deku has shown he can ignite the air around him with speed while 5-8% and 30% Deku wasn’t even on Shigaraki’s radar.

I dont claim every Dragon is as fast or is faster than Base Gale & Hellfire but they should have speed to eventually tag them, just like how a pro boxer can still get tagged by an amateur if they're not careful

Prove he wouldn’t get blitzed, or that he could tag them.

Bro, Base Gale (Base Hellfire's pretty much more or less equal to Gale) was able to tag a casual Flash

Seriously? Flash wasn’t even trying against them, even when they went Monsters and were straight up dragons he casually blitzed them like fodder.

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In their human forms they’re tiers apart in speed, they don’t scale to Flashy Flash

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@megafanflash: No, it wont make sense for the A-C class heroes to perceive him attacking the Octopus, when initially, they only saw his afterimage as soon as he uses his superspeed

. Flash definitely poke every eyeball in like an instant, as evidenced by the singular "RRMMM" character

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uwXU09Mw7Y4/Xcj66_mnirI/AAAAAAAAJ2Q/UvChvIlmUZwWw48uB3Kyx3OxTRX-FLjLwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/025.jpg

Those two MHA feats are different. AM's stair speedblitz is vaguely FTE since we dont know the exact distance and is there proof the explosions dont detonate or are they some kind of mine-like bombs? Even if they didnt detonate, that'd be PIS since no one in MHA is legit even approaching mach 10

I base it off from like a punch which usually happens at that speed or less (dunno by just exactly how much), particularly from a highly trained fighter, for example

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@muhdsyarif: I posted that exact image, along with all the other relevant panels from that encounter. Nor did you answer anything I asked you. Also, you've been wrong about speeds in every verse since you joined vine. Everything you say in every thread feels so baseless and partisan. I dont know how to interact with you in good faith.

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Shigaraki wins

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@megafanflash: Bro, I literally responded to you with actual facts and a detailed argument, but you yourself cant back up why I'm wrong regarding the speed aspects

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Shigaraki. Drive Knight wasn't all that impressive. His only advantage is speed but i doubt his power would be enough to seriously damage Shigaraki with all his quirks. Even quirkless he is kinda like All Might.

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@muhdsyarif: You've never responded to anyone "with actual facts and detailed arguments". You're doing your old circular "its logical to me, therefore its true", you've done a million times. Convincing zero people and proving none but yourself wrong.

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@thewatcherking: I'm not saying he's gonna start throwing rocks as a first move, but once he realizes what Shiggy's decay wave does, he'd likely resort to that since the decay wave kicks up tons of dust as well which could be suspicious whilst making it harder for DK to know what's happening

Please quantify what All Might's actual piercing durability is. Did you also forget DK can use his blade that also emits electricity?

Lol, going FTE to/faster than Deku isnt impressive. I've already established to you how Deku's movie feats are pure PIS since there's no proof the Full Gauntlet increases speed and how Deku failed to react to things slower than Mach 1.1, prior to the movies.

Ok, if both ninjas fight DK, DK could possibly lose because of being outnumbered. But in a 1vs1, DK might possibly win since he could tag Dragon level Nyan who can perceive a Mach 2.5 bullet like it was a snail/nigh-frozen. All Might caps at Mach 3.6 which is way slower

Lol, he was definitely putting little bit more effort against their base form (compared to the giant octopus) and obviously put more effort against their Dragon level forms since both could tag him much more frequently and how Flash looked annoyed. Your knowledge in OPM is laughable, bro.

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@megafanflash: The facts come from implications. DK scales to keeping up with Nyan. Not only is Nyan a Cadre (an elite) but he's one threat level above the Ninja duo. If the Ninja Duo were only demon level despite having that speed, then Dragon levels shudnt be like 1.8-2x slower. That'd be ridiculous due to how big that speed gap would be so Dragon levels shud have speed more or less like the Ninja Duo