@nordenfang:
And I’m not even arguing the post. I just hate Overlord wank and generally I hate overlord in vsbattles because everyone loooves to wank overlord. So I’m arguing that Instant Death has no actual strong feats that would place it in as much esteem as you seem to say. This is what I think you’re saying, correct me if I’m wrong.
Well you are wrong, because this kind of thing doesn't fall under the same concept as DC (Destructive Capacity), it's Hax. It's not about the size of the opponent, it's whether or not they can resist or defend against the effect. As I had shown, he insta-killed a Dragon Lord with it. And Dragon Lords are considerably larger than Ainz. And Tatsuya.
“Instant Death imposes complete death on anybody without specific resistance to it.”
I say that’s NLF.
Well if you have a resistance to it and/or tools that block it, or are immune to it like all undead are...then no. No it's not a NLF. Because there are clearly things it cannot affect normally.
Consider this, character A has a sword that in his universe can cut through anybody who doesn’t have a special material to use as a shield. You then dump him into an entirely different universe and say that it still applies.
In this case you’re saying that Ainz’s abilities will work the same way in every universe and require a certain type of resistance each time.
It’s the same NLF at work.
Not only is that a false equivalency, but that's not even how it work. Because Universe-B can have a material the equivalent of said material in Universe-A, and/or a stronger material, thus making your comparison entirely pointless. Which is actually kind of funny as Adamantine in the New World of Overlord is considered the strongest known material in their world, and Narberal Gamma scoffs at it wondering why Ainz isn't being ranked by far stronger materials, going off and listing Magical and Prismatic metals that make Adamantine look as durable as a wine glass.
In fact, Ainz gives the Dwarves of the Azerlesian Mountains an ingot of what he says is a "lv40 trash material", and it's so resilient to heat and pressure that the best dwarven smith in the kingdom spent three days trying to heat the metal in their strongest forge and can't even get it warm. So now they have to go off and actually create and discover new ways of heating and smithing just to work with a material that, to Ainz, is worthless, but to them is more valuable and stronger than Adamantine by a considerable degree.
But here’s what I think about that.
Just because somebody falls lifelessly doesn’t mean we can assume they are actually lifeless.
Yes we can, because there is no indication anywhere within the text suggesting otherwise. It's really that simple. Unless you have evidence from within this series that actually depicts otherwise, then we can absolutely assume that they are totally dead and lifeless since nothing within the scenes shows any differently.
The novel doesn’t need to descibe it becaus eof the technicalities of writing but when it comes to a versus battle feats and canon explanations are king. And without clear information that explains how the instant death works aside from the ambiguous “it causes death.” then you can’t just assume that’s how it works.
And like I said, unless it's indicated differently within scene or context of the series, then we can absolutely assume it works and functions as depicted. You need evidence to claim otherwise. And we both know that evidence does not exist.
I’ve already mentioned Grasp Heart as a type of Instant Death spell that doesn’t work as you describe so how do we know the others work like that?
No, you tried suggesting that GH works differently. However you didn't grasp what the spell is or what it does exactly. And as I showed with Despair Aura, the effect of Instant Death affects the target entirely. That effect does not require targeting a specific part of the body. And in fact, [Grasp Heart] has a secondary effect that temporarily stuns the target if the target resists the insta-death effect.
Magic and mechanics don’t work the same way everywhere. That may he how it is in the Overlordverse but that doesn’t mean that’s how it works everywhere else. Again don’t enforce overlord system on everything.
That's not what I'm doing, but it's what you think I'm doing because the magic system in "The Irregular i Magic High School" is so lackluster and lacking in nuance and hax abilities. So of course the series with the stronger, more defined and diverse magic system, is going to have a very distinctive advantage. And it's not just the magic systems at play either.
Black Hole is a magical spell and the best feat it’s got is killing some low-tier angel that’s probably city-level at best. You don’t just assume it works like an actual black hole because that’s what the name is. That’s not how it works. Blackhole feat is complete wank.
That's your opinion, not stated fact. Again what you're failing to account for is the fact these spells are based and limited in effective range by Game Mechanics as being interpreted within the real world. One of the first things Ainz realizes when casting spells in the New World is that just thinking of the spell he wants to use gives him information on how much it costs, as well as the range of the spell.
Other things required experimentation since the defined area of effect or some id described as an "Area" or "Target". Ainz's uses of the Overtier magic [Creation], that he used to freeze the Lizardman lake, affected a considerably smaller zone within the game. In the New World, it froze the entire lake. Going over general information and data extrapolated from the series suggests that the smaller circular area of the lake that the Lizardmen made their villages around would come to around 200 square miles. [Creation] within the game would only affect the immediate room or area, which is maybe a few hundred meters. In the New World, by targeting "The Lake", the entire area designated as "The Lake" was affected. Which opens up the probability that if he, say, targeted the "Pacific Ocean", then it's possible the entire Pacific Ocean could be frozen over, going by how the ability now functions within the Real World.
And that's just an example.
Divination magic is another complete wank. It blocks against certain types of spells within their system not every divination ability ever.
Talents are things unique to the people of the New World and did not exist in YGGDRASIL, the game where Ainz and co originated from. Arche's Magic Sight was still blocked by Ainz's ring, even though her ability did not exist within that world's system. So we actually have in-universe evidence that proves your argument incorrect.
This already has sufficient proof if you’ve read Maruyama’s shalltear short on twitter where PDL dealt her a large amount of fire damage despite her supposed complete immunity to fire.
Shalltear was never immune to fire damage. That's why Ainz's Overtier magic [Fallen Down] was able to hurt her as much as it did. So either you're misreading something, or someone's trolling the fans. The only one with an immunity to Fire is Ainz, and that's only when he has his God-Tier items equipped. Ie; the outfit he normally goes around it. That combined with his ability points towards flame resistance gives him Absolute Flame Resistance. However in his fight with Shalltear he instead used Relic-level equipment with Holy/Faith resistance to better withstands Shalltear's spells, which are largely Faith-based and thus do holy damage. Something Ainz was much more vulnerable to.
Just want to adjust the wank.
Which you're not doing because there's no wank here. It's just making analysis and comparisons.
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