She Hulk & Red Hulk vs Jane Foster & Captain Marvel

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#1  Edited By Cruelrain

Jenn and Ross

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Jane and Carol

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Rules

  • Win By Death, KO or Incap
  • Fight Starts at 50 feets apart
  • No BFR
  • Local: unbreakable earth
  • Random encounter
  • Carol can use her binary form

R1: In character but going all out [No flying]

R2: Bloodlusted/Morals Off [all powers]

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R1. I think Betty is a massive weaklink so I am leaning towards team Blonde.

R2. Jane gives Carol enough energy to open a white hole and everyone dies lol

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Team 2

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#4  Edited By Cruelrain

@psi-bite234: Betty got an upgrade in the immortal hulk series i think.

Edit: just Re-read the series and she really did nothing that impressive, going to change Harpy for Red Hulk.

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Loeb Rulk solos all. Team 2 otherwise

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LoebForce Rulk wrecks.

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I am surprised they gave she hulk that type of costume considering thier .... Stuff in recent times

She and That Jean clone costumes are .... Rather surprising for this era

OT - could go either way

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She hulk has already fought JaneThor to a standstill in The Mighty Thor #700 and Red hulk already swatted away Captain Marvel when he was fighting the Avengers including sentry.

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#12  Edited By EcstaticGrace

@medulaoblaganda said:

She hulk has already fought JaneThor to a standstill in The Mighty Thor #700 and Red hulk already swatted away Captain Marvel when he was fighting the Avengers including sentry.

Rulk’s punch to Carol didn’t really affect her though.

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This is also without her accessing Binary

Her punch to Sentry was more impressive

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Binary > Absorbing a missile

Rulk doesn’t perform at Loeb force levels for awhile now and his current form has been pretty underwhelming Iron Rulk.

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#14  Edited By Battle123axe

@ecstaticgrace: Iron Rulk is a different character.

Loeb Force isn't a thing, it's his ability to absorb energy which he stopped doing after loeb but still can do. R1 it's arguable he wouldn't but R2 he certainly would.

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OT: Team 1 barely, Jen has stalemated or had the upperhand against both of team 2 and Rulk's powerset can bring a victory.

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Captain Marvel doesn't stand a chance against Red hulk. The same Red hulk that fought Hulk to standstill and the same Hulk who one shot Captain Marvel while smiling. Binary could stand a chance but she is not winning this fight. Red hulk can absorb her. Her punch to sentry isn't even a feat at all. Any power house can punch Sentry no big deal. Iron red hulk is not General Ross bro!.

@medulaoblaganda said:

She hulk has already fought JaneThor to a standstill in The Mighty Thor #700 and Red hulk already swatted away Captain Marvel when he was fighting the Avengers including sentry.

Rulk’s punch to Carol didn’t really affect her though.

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This is also without her accessing Binary

Her punch to Sentry was more impressive

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Binary > Absorbing a missile

Rulk doesn’t perform at Loeb force levels for awhile now and his current form has been pretty underwhelming Iron Rulk.

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@ecstaticgrace: Iron Rulk is a different character.

Loeb Force isn't a thing, it's his ability to absorb energy which he stopped doing after loeb but still can do. R1 it's arguable he wouldn't but R2 he certainly would.

Would you say is absorbing power his better than Carol binary's form?

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#18  Edited By Lilbroomstick

@battle123axe: Red Hulk was generally stronger with Loeb as his main writer, even when he wasn't shown to absorb anything.

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@battle123axe said:

@ecstaticgrace: Iron Rulk is a different character.

Loeb Force isn't a thing, it's his ability to absorb energy which he stopped doing after loeb but still can do. R1 it's arguable he wouldn't but R2 he certainly would.

Would you say is absorbing power his better than Carol binary's form?

I’d have to see feats from Ross but my moneys on Carol given stuff like her Phoenix and Reality stone feats and she’s gamma absorbed energy from Abomination

Captain Marvel doesn't stand a chance against Red hulk. The same Red hulk that fought Hulk to standstill and the same Hulk who one shot Captain Marvel while smiling. Binary could stand a chance but she is not winning this fight. Red hulk can absorb her. Her punch to sentry isn't even a feat at all. Any power house can punch Sentry no big deal. Iron red hulk is not General Ross bro!.

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@medulaoblaganda said:

She hulk has already fought JaneThor to a standstill in The Mighty Thor #700 and Red hulk already swatted away Captain Marvel when he was fighting the Avengers including sentry.

Rulk’s punch to Carol didn’t really affect her though.

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This is also without her accessing Binary

Her punch to Sentry was more impressive

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Binary > Absorbing a missile

Rulk doesn’t perform at Loeb force levels for awhile now and his current form has been pretty underwhelming Iron Rulk.

I mean going off logic like that the same Captain Marvel that lasted longer against Wonderman or the same Captain Marvel that beat Thor.

Wonder Man easily subduing Rulk and Thor beating Rulk.

None of what you mentioned factors in Binary. On top of the fact Carol’s already taken a punch from Rulk and wasn’t really hurt from it which kinda makes the Doc Green showing come off more of a feat for Doc Green like it should and not a feat for Ross.

Her punch to Sentry was her taking Sentry out of the fight he was in that’s what makes it impressive and this was a Sentry going Beserk and not factoring in Binary

Carol can absorb Ross’s energy as well. So it works both ways id argue Carol has better energy absorption feats too.

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@battle123axe said:

@ecstaticgrace: Iron Rulk is a different character.

Loeb Force isn't a thing, it's his ability to absorb energy which he stopped doing after loeb but still can do. R1 it's arguable he wouldn't but R2 he certainly would.

Would you say is absorbing power his better than Carol binary's form?

Yes its better than carols absorbing power to the point that when Absorbing man gained Red hulk ability to drain, he drain the hell out of Devil hulk but devil hulk drained him back. That's tells you the red hulk draining power and absorbing power is OP. Have you heard of Catherix Ray before? According to @ghostravage, he said Catherix Ray is by far the most successful and powerful device used on Hulk to drain him off his energy. The energy syphoned off Hulk in World War Hulk #5 was used in the creation of Red Hulk, which essentially means, Red Hulk is the living personification of the Cathexis Ray by using Hulk's energy projection which almost tore off the Eastern Seaboard. To deliver the relation between Red Hulk's syphoning powers and the Cathexis Ray's hype, let's cite Incredible Hulk #600.. Red Hulk managed to do what NO ONE has been able to do before, he absorbed all the Gamma Energy off Banner without killing him, let alone in 15 seconds... Hell, not even Silver Surfer has managed to perform such task. In simple words, yeah, the Cathexis Ray is awfully powerful as far as syphoning Hulk goes. He's responsible for taking Silver surfer powers. Currently, Red hulk can only drain opponents. I guess. He still has the power of draining. He'll drain Captain Marvel. All credit goes to @ghostravage

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@cruelrain said:
@battle123axe said:

@ecstaticgrace: Iron Rulk is a different character.

Loeb Force isn't a thing, it's his ability to absorb energy which he stopped doing after loeb but still can do. R1 it's arguable he wouldn't but R2 he certainly would.

Would you say is absorbing power his better than Carol binary's form?

Yes its better than carols absorbing power to the point that when Absorbing man gained Red hulk ability to drain, he drain the hell out of Devil hulk but devil hulk drained him back. That's tells you the red hulk draining power and absorbing power is OP. Have you heard of Catherix Ray before? According to @ghostravage, he said Catherix Ray is by far the most successful and powerful device used on Hulk to drain him off his energy. The energy syphoned off Hulk in World War Hulk #5 was used in the creation of Red Hulk, which essentially means, Red Hulk is the living personification of the Cathexis Ray by using Hulk's energy projection which almost tore off the Eastern Seaboard. To deliver the relation between Red Hulk's syphoning powers and the Cathexis Ray's hype, let's cite Incredible Hulk #600.. Red Hulk managed to do what NO ONE has been able to do before, he absorbed all the Gamma Energy off Banner without killing him, let alone in 15 seconds... Hell, not even Silver Surfer has managed to perform such task. In simple words, yeah, the Cathexis Ray is awfully powerful as far as syphoning Hulk goes. He's responsible for taking Silver surfer powers. Currently, Red hulk can only drain opponents. I guess. He still has the power of draining. He'll drain Captain Marvel. All credit goes to @ghostravage

All of that sounds like a circular feat ending up being an antifeat or not a feat in actuality

”Character A’s energy absorbtion was so good he absorbed Character B but then Character B came back and absorbed Character A”

Thats what I read from your post.

Regardless,

1.) Carol isn’t a gamma character that feat doesn’t really illustrate Rulk’s ability to drain her

2.) Carol has energy absorbed characters like The Phoenix Force (Failed but still), Count Nefaria (An avengers team buster who is also a energy vampire), and The Worthy Skadi (Who teambusted a group of Avengers herself.

The only person where Binary came into play was the Phoenix Force but thats the Phoenix Force something way above anyone here and Carol still forcefully absorbed a large amount of it

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@ecstaticgrace: Red Hulk drained OF thor the watcher silver surfer the hulk several times and the grandmaster. He drained enough energy to make dozens of people and heroes into hulks. Sure Carol can absorb large amounts of energy and maybe you could argue they stalemate in energy draining but she certainly isn't draining him.

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Jane caries her team.

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@battle123axe: Red Hulk was generally stronger with Loeb as his main writer, even when he wasn't shown to absorb anything.

He was constantly absorbing energy and did it against all his powerful opponents, and after the run he stopped draining energy because long term it would leave him permanently red hulk, but he still retained the capability to (and did against Doc Green). It was a plot point of one of his issues that because he stopped draining energy he couldn't gain the edge over a bloodlusted thor level threat like he would if he did drain. Otherwise he had plenty of impressive feats after, although his low showings came afterwards.

Taking a beatdown from a pissed thor, shaking america in his fight, taking a beatdown from a bloodlusted thor level character, tanking and delivering blows that send people hundreds of miles, trading blows from an extinction level threat, destroying a comet that would have destroyed earth, shrugging off blows from a pissed namor underwater, going toe to toe with colossonaut 2-3 times and almost setting off the san andreas fault, taking a beating from the P5 then surviving getting blasted halfway across the planet, trading blows with BRB, etc

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@lilbroomstick said:

@battle123axe: Red Hulk was generally stronger with Loeb as his main writer, even when he wasn't shown to absorb anything.

He was constantly absorbing energy and did it against all his powerful opponents, and after the run he stopped draining energy because long term it would leave him permanently red hulk, but he still retained the capability to (and did against Doc Green). It was a plot point of one of his issues that because he stopped draining energy he couldn't gain the edge over a bloodlusted thor level threat like he would if he did drain. Otherwise he had plenty of impressive feats after, although his low showings came afterwards.

Taking a beatdown from a pissed thor, shaking america in his fight, taking a beatdown from a bloodlusted thor level character, tanking and delivering blows that send people hundreds of miles, trading blows from an extinction level threat, destroying a comet that would have destroyed earth, shrugging off blows from a pissed namor underwater, going toe to toe with colossonaut 2-3 times and almost setting off the san andreas fault, taking a beating from the P5 then surviving getting blasted halfway across the planet, trading blows with BRB, etc

Wait a minute when did that happen?

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Don't remind me! Was so brutal to read/see.

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@ecstaticgrace: Red Hulk drained OF thor the watcher silver surfer the hulk several times and the grandmaster. He drained enough energy to make dozens of people and heroes into hulks. Sure Carol can absorb large amounts of energy and maybe you could argue they stalemate in energy draining but she certainly isn't draining him.

I didnt know any of that. It’s pretty impressive. I’d still argue the Phoenix Force thing is more impressive but it sounds like Rulk has more variety in higher up showings. Regardless I didnt make the argument she was draining him just was arguing she’s not getting drained by Hulk.

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Kinda tempted to go team 1. Rulk has some very impressive showing. He should take carol mid-difficulty. She hulk can probably hold Jane off long enough for Rulk to beat Carol and help against Jane.

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Kinda tempted to go team 1. Rulk has some very impressive showing. He should take carol mid-difficulty. She hulk can probably hold Jane off long enough for Rulk to beat Carol and help against Jane.

Carol in Binary has some pretty impressive showings herself. beating Thor is better than getting beat by Thor as a feat

Destabilizing a planet is a better feat than shaking the US

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@battle123axe: nah banner just took rules energy absorption

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So he doesn’t even have the ability anymore... yet it was being argued here

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@ecstaticgrace: To be fair the OP said all powers in Round 2, which includes Red Hulk's draining.

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@boutatakeanl said:

Kinda tempted to go team 1. Rulk has some very impressive showing. He should take carol mid-difficulty. She hulk can probably hold Jane off long enough for Rulk to beat Carol and help against Jane.

Carol in Binary has some pretty impressive showings herself. beating Thor is better than getting beat by Thor as a feat

Destabilizing a planet is a better feat than shaking the US

True, but as far as I know, Red Hulk has beaten Hulk more times than Thor has. We know for a fact that Hulk has beaten Thor more times that Carol has. Logically, this would place Rulk above Binary Carol, no? Correct mee if I'm wrong.

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#34  Edited By EcstaticGrace

@boutatakeanl said:
@ecstaticgrace said:
@boutatakeanl said:

Kinda tempted to go team 1. Rulk has some very impressive showing. He should take carol mid-difficulty. She hulk can probably hold Jane off long enough for Rulk to beat Carol and help against Jane.

Carol in Binary has some pretty impressive showings herself. beating Thor is better than getting beat by Thor as a feat

Destabilizing a planet is a better feat than shaking the US

True, but as far as I know, Red Hulk has beaten Hulk more times than Thor has. We know for a fact that Hulk has beaten Thor more times that Carol has. Logically, this would place Rulk above Binary Carol, no? Correct mee if I'm wrong.

Thor has also beaten Rulk more times than visa versa it’s a bad way to scale like that. Cause of that reason. The only character Binary has fought that you listed was Thor which she won. The most recent fight I think that was between Hulk and Rulk that isn’t Immortal Hulk was Doc Green and Doc Green beat Rulk. Hulk vs Rulk would go to Rulk so to try and scale him using wins on Hulk is a little shakey. General consensus is that Thor is above Rulk as well. Which is backed up by their fight history.

Also I’m pretty sure Rulk’s wins on Hulk was largely in part due to his energy absorption ability something he doesn’t have anymore like @alphamon pointed out

In terms of feats Carol isnt slacking either atleast in Binary form which would be the form that would serve her best against Rulk. Especially if he lost his energy absorption abilities. He’s a walking power up for Carol, heck Jane could amp Carol as well.

And Rulk generates heat something that Carol can use to boost herself is heat energy

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@ecstaticgrace: To be fair the OP said all powers in Round 2, which includes Red Hulk's draining.

It’s not a power if you dont have it any more. All powers should mean powers you actually have not powers you use to have.

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@ecstaticgrace: Well done. I concede my point. So does this mean Binary Carol would beat rulk, vice-versa, or could it go either way?

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@ecstaticgrace:

@lilbroomstick said:

@ecstaticgrace: To be fair the OP said all powers in Round 2, which includes Red Hulk's draining.

It’s not a power if you dont have it any more. All powers should mean powers you actually have not powers you use to have.

I do have to disagree with this. It's fair to classify a specific version to use for a battle, no? Unless the OP specified the current Rulk, it's fair to say that Rulk has his draining power.

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#38  Edited By EcstaticGrace
@boutatakeanl said:

@ecstaticgrace: Well done. I concede my point. So does this mean Binary Carol would beat rulk, vice-versa, or could it go either way?

I’d have to see more from Rulk tbh but I’d argue for Carol in Binary. Her only set back is her showing against Doc Green and that wasnt in Binary and she has better feats in base to the point that showing could be argued inconsistent. Her recent showing of knocking out Thor in Binary, would help her with scaling and her feats of destabilizing a planet and ignoring the gravitational pull of black holes id argue would put her at that level

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@ecstaticgrace:

@ecstaticgrace said:
@lilbroomstick said:

@ecstaticgrace: To be fair the OP said all powers in Round 2, which includes Red Hulk's draining.

It’s not a power if you dont have it any more. All powers should mean powers you actually have not powers you use to have.

I do have to disagree with this. It's fair to classify a specific version to use for a battle, no? Unless the OP specified the current Rulk, it's fair to say that Rulk has his draining power.

Comicvine rules are that it’s the version of the character last shown. you don’t assume and mix and match versions. It would be like me going to a Namor thread and bringing up the fact he use to have abilities to mimic sea creatures. Or the fact Carol can create White Holes in her Binary form. Even before Rulk’s ”Iron Rulk” incarnation he didn’t have the ability so youd assume it’s that version unless specified otherwise.

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@ecstaticgrace:

@boutatakeanl said:

@ecstaticgrace: Well done. I concede my point. So does this mean Binary Carol would beat rulk, vice-versa, or could it go either way?

I’d have to see more from Rulk tbh but I’d argue for Carol in Binary. Her only set back is her showing against Doc Green and that wasnt in Binary. Her recent showing of knocking out Thor, would help her with scaling and her feats of destabilizing a planet and ignoring the gravitational pull of black holes id argue would put her at that level

I can agree with this then. Well done!

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@ecstaticgrace:

@ecstaticgrace said:
@lilbroomstick said:

@ecstaticgrace: To be fair the OP said all powers in Round 2, which includes Red Hulk's draining.

It’s not a power if you dont have it any more. All powers should mean powers you actually have not powers you use to have.

I do have to disagree with this. It's fair to classify a specific version to use for a battle, no? Unless the OP specified the current Rulk, it's fair to say that Rulk has his draining power.

Comicvine rules are that it’s the version of the character last shown. you don’t assume and mix and match versions. It would be like me going to a Namor thread and bringing up the fact he use to have abilities to mimic sea creatures. Or the fact Carol can create White Holes in her Binary form. Even before Rulk’s ”Iron Rulk” incarnation he didn’t have the ability so youd assume it’s that version unless specified otherwise.

Well, thank you for that! I never knew XD. So you can have different versions of a character, they just have to be the most recent showings?

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#40  Edited By EcstaticGrace

@boutatakeanl:

So you can have different versions of a character, they just have to be the most recent showings?

The way it works is if the OP doesn’t state the version or what characters are allowed and not allowed to do, you go off that. The most recent version of the character as well.

Like if a thread was made with Namor today we’d go off his current amp unless the OP specifies Pre-Hydroman Namor or something like that. It’s all up to the OP to set stuff in like that. But if it’s not stated like she just put Red Hulk we’d go off the Red Hulk we last seen. Not versions of the character predating the most recent version. The OP could get around this by saying draining powers allowed or composite versions of the character or etc.

I hope that explains it? Apologies if it is to wordy.

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@ecstaticgrace: Ahh, okay so the OP can be specific. That makes sense. Thank you!

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#42  Edited By Battle123axe

Banner lied lmao.

Carol's win against Thor is in large part because she absorbed all the energy he was generating in the form of lightning bolts and the like. She does not have that luxury with Rulk, especially if he takes her out before she goes binary, which is a distinct possibility.

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@boutatakeanl said:

Kinda tempted to go team 1. Rulk has some very impressive showing. He should take carol mid-difficulty. She hulk can probably hold Jane off long enough for Rulk to beat Carol and help against Jane.

Carol in Binary has some pretty impressive showings herself. beating Thor is better than getting beat by Thor as a feat

Destabilizing a planet is a better feat than shaking the US

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@battle123axe: nah banner just took rules energy absorption

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So he doesn’t even have the ability anymore... yet it was being argued here

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@battle123axe said:
@lilbroomstick said:

@battle123axe: Red Hulk was generally stronger with Loeb as his main writer, even when he wasn't shown to absorb anything.

He was constantly absorbing energy and did it against all his powerful opponents, and after the run he stopped draining energy because long term it would leave him permanently red hulk, but he still retained the capability to (and did against Doc Green). It was a plot point of one of his issues that because he stopped draining energy he couldn't gain the edge over a bloodlusted thor level threat like he would if he did drain. Otherwise he had plenty of impressive feats after, although his low showings came afterwards.

Taking a beatdown from a pissed thor, shaking america in his fight, taking a beatdown from a bloodlusted thor level character, tanking and delivering blows that send people hundreds of miles, trading blows from an extinction level threat, destroying a comet that would have destroyed earth, shrugging off blows from a pissed namor underwater, going toe to toe with colossonaut 2-3 times and almost setting off the san andreas fault, taking a beating from the P5 then surviving getting blasted halfway across the planet, trading blows with BRB, etc

Wait a minute when did that happen?

The arc where he fights Thor and Iron man. There are two comets on their way to hit earth and devastate it and Thor takes one and Rulk takes the other.

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@battle123axe: Lmao I don’t know I’m just going to stick with my argument their energy absorption will cross each other out 😅

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@battle123axe: Lmao I don’t know I’m just going to stick with my argument their energy absorption will cross each other out 😅

That's a fair argument. Carol is certainly more impressive recently but IMO her biggest boon in energy absorption is nullified here and Rulk has the physicals to beat her down. It's also possible that they both mega amp themselves off of she hulk and Jane's energy projection but that's too much of a hypothetical for me.

You mentioned Doc Green but their initial fight had Rulk beat the shit out of him and break his arm and had to have him run away. Doc Green had to learn kung-fu, stop rulk's passive energy absorption, and channel his savage hulk anger to beat him. Thor also hasn't beat rulk, Thor beat him up when Rulk wasn't fighting back and then they traded blows for a page. Rulk also beat thor, and Rulk's only loss as far as Thor goes is to Angrir, which whilst the main series contradicts him being Thor level, the intent when hulk fought him was for Angrir to be a bloodlusted thor level opponent.

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#46  Edited By EcstaticGrace

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@battle123axe: Lmao I don’t know I’m just going to stick with my argument their energy absorption will cross each other out 😅

That's a fair argument. Carol is certainly more impressive recently but IMO her biggest boon in energy absorption is nullified here and Rulk has the physicals to beat her down. It's also possible that they both mega amp themselves off of she hulk and Jane's energy projection but that's too much of a hypothetical for me.

You mentioned Doc Green but their initial fight had Rulk beat the shit out of him and break his arm and had to have him run away. Doc Green had to learn kung-fu, stop rulk's passive energy absorption, and channel his savage hulk anger to beat him. Thor also hasn't beat rulk, Thor beat him up when Rulk wasn't fighting back and then they traded blows for a page. Rulk also beat thor, and Rulk's only loss as far as Thor goes is to Angrir, which whilst the main series contradicts him being Thor level, the intent when hulk fought him was for Angrir to be a bloodlusted thor level opponent.

I mean energy absorption or not she did it in Binary. Putting it all on energy absorption is kinda moot when it gets to that form because that’s her at her most powerful is in her Binary form. The energy absorption just put her into that form, not amped that form further. I could agree Rulk should physically overpower Carol but you also have to look at the fact she was trading blows with Thor and she took a beating from what is probably the most powerful version of She Hulk to date “Savage She Hulk” and Carol remained conscious.

1.) The OP gave her access to Binary

2.) She doesn’t need energy to go Binary as of Thompson’s recent run it just helps in maintaining the form longer and even than she absorbs energy all around her from the earth

3.) I’d argue her damage output is greater given the Brood world feat of destabilizing it

Key note on your Doc Green point, is it was the initial fight is when Rulk won. Later fights going to Doc Green. I’ll have to do some looking up cause I’m going off statements I’m seeing in other threads but it suggest Thor has 2 wins on Rulk. Which I don’t know for a fact admittedly I’m going off skimming other threads. Regardless my point was the using Doc Green as scaling is faulty given Carol has gotten better feats since then and she has access to Binary something she didn’t use against Doc Green so we dont even know how it compares when it comes to looking at the two in the pages of an actual book.

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#48  Edited By Lilbroomstick

@battle123axe said:
@lilbroomstick said:
@battle123axe said:
@lilbroomstick said:

@battle123axe: Red Hulk was generally stronger with Loeb as his main writer, even when he wasn't shown to absorb anything.

He was constantly absorbing energy and did it against all his powerful opponents, and after the run he stopped draining energy because long term it would leave him permanently red hulk, but he still retained the capability to (and did against Doc Green). It was a plot point of one of his issues that because he stopped draining energy he couldn't gain the edge over a bloodlusted thor level threat like he would if he did drain. Otherwise he had plenty of impressive feats after, although his low showings came afterwards.

Taking a beatdown from a pissed thor, shaking america in his fight, taking a beatdown from a bloodlusted thor level character, tanking and delivering blows that send people hundreds of miles, trading blows from an extinction level threat, destroying a comet that would have destroyed earth, shrugging off blows from a pissed namor underwater, going toe to toe with colossonaut 2-3 times and almost setting off the san andreas fault, taking a beating from the P5 then surviving getting blasted halfway across the planet, trading blows with BRB, etc

Wait a minute when did that happen?

The arc where he fights Thor and Iron man. There are two comets on their way to hit earth and devastate it and Thor takes one and Rulk takes the other.

Oh, I remember that. I just didn't remember it could destroy the Earth. I had to ask because Rulk's one of the main people I know about. Anyway thanks

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#49  Edited By Lilbroomstick

@ecstaticgrace: I think most people just assume Red Hulk has draining because that's the most popular version but I can see your point. Although apparently he has used it after "losing" it.

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@lilbroomstick: Yeah it seems like a writer might of came in and cancelled the idea of him ever losing it.