Sentry Vs Avengers/Justice League

I debated Sentry vs Martian Manhunter with Enzeru once, and he got so aggravated over the suggestion that Sentry could lose that Static banned him for swearing his head off at me. That should give you some idea of what I think of his arguments.

I see. Thanks for the clarification, much appreciated.

Right I can see this'll go nowhere continuing my debate with him. Thanks for the heads up

I honestly don't really care what anyone says here, Sentry should, by all means, lose this fight quite handily. "Unlimited Power" and "Unlimited Speed" are both meaningless things that are just stated and that his feats clearly don't corroborate. If he had that, then at his full potential, he destroys all omniverses with a movement, and basically teleports. That's just silly. Saying, "They say he has unlimited power!" Isn't a valid excuse for saying that he can actually live up to that. They also say he has the power of a million exploding suns, which isn't unlimited.

Sentry gets curbed by the combined powers of both teams. Any individual? Yeah, he would murder them easily. This is 2 teams of superheroes, and Sentry is in for the beating of his life. Void or not, he's gonna get face rolled when you have, what 4-5 planet-busting characters on a team working together.

The team should be able to do it.

Full Void Sentry ftw. Without PIS or Norn Stones I don't see him going down

do you have any scans

Let's just take a minute to address that @JonSmith said Jo'nn kills Sentry..

But on a more serious note, @JonSmith says Martian manhunter kills Sentry..

We can't know for sure whether Sentry could resist Martian Manhunters telepathic assault. But we can't just assume he can. Batman has resisted telepathy before. I guarantee that he would not have a snowball's chance in hell of resisting a telepathic assault from Manhunter. Manhunter is more powerful than any telepath Sentry has encountered. He solos.

@enzeru:

Sentry wasn't fighting at that speed, because that was not a part of his mission. He is there to secure Thor and not to rip him apart. Thor had already problems dealing with the velocity - what would have strikes caused to him?

But that's just an assumption of course, so you don't and won't take it seriously, but it still features half of the context there - Sentry was not there to fight.

Secondly how many characters with Superman's and Flash's speed are there on the Earth? Not that many, who would have challenged the Sentry. He is one of his kind on the Earth and no one was ever able to really challenge him in that department. With that being said, we have seen him performing various speed feats like repairing constructs in Superspeed and in the process being everywhere at once, something Superman and Flash are capable of pulling off.

We have seen the Sentry catching bullets from handguns, which put him at microseconds-reaction, but then we also saw him catching bullets from alien-tech super rifles, which had much more power behind them and that would put him even higher.

Sentry clearly does not have the reaction time to keep up with his own speed. When he sped to Jupiter faster than he could scream it demonstrated it -- he was clearly unaware of how fast he was going and was surprised how far he went. There's no reason to believe giving into Void increases his reaction time.

The Sentry is stated to have limitless strenght and speed. What we saw during Siege didn't really look like he had massive problems doing what he is supposed to be able to do. He easily overpowered opponents like Thor, who were lifting stuff heavier than planets before.

We don't know Sentry's limits and the OP specifically states that he is fighting at HIS FULL POTENTIAL, which truly puts him in the limitless category.

Sentry is also stated to have the power of a million exploding suns, which is not limitless. He has literally never demonstrated limitless speed or strength. Statements mean nothing. Full potential is like saying 100% fed Galactus. It's not a thing that has any quantification (I mean atleast Galactus has an alt universe story to back him up). You are making pure assumptions and they are not true.

Then there is also the question why Flash should be the only one able to trade punches, while traveling and other specific characters can't? Superman can fight at high speeds. Why couldn't Sentry? Sentry is not Silver Surfer, who travels fast thanks to his board (if that's even still like that). Sentry moves fast under his own power.

Because Flash has traded punches with people who A: Are massively faster than Lightspeed and B: While he himself was going massively faster than lightspeed. His fight with Zoom involved as much and they were dodging and hitting each others blows constantly. Flash demonstrates greatly FTL reflexes all the time, as well, and is rarely surprised by his own speed -- unlike Sentry. Sentry's ability to travel quickly doesn't give him significant combat speed in the same way that Superman doesn't have combatspeed to match the Flash.

Superman has atleast demonstrated Nanosecond reaction time, which still pales in comparison to Flash who has several definitively picosecond reaciton feats and plenty of feats that are greatly faster than picosecond with a little math.

Son, that's not how it works.

The Void was never threatened by any kind of telepathy, and neither was the Sentry really, but we know that Sentry erased the memories of so many powerful telepaths.

Saying that Martian Manhunter automatically wins the battle is biased beyond belief. One should never make such a claim, because we don't know the limits of Sentry's telepathic powers / limits. Even if Martian Manhunter had much better telepathic feats than some of the best telepaths in Marvel (which is questionable), we would still not know if he would surpass Void's limit, therefore that argument negates it-self and telepathy as an argument becomes irrelevant.

You probably shouldn't complain about people being insulting to you then call them "son" in response. It's intentionally diminutive.

Again, Void has been suppressed by Emma Frost specifically. It allowed Bob to control himself for ages. Martian Manhunter has plenty of world level telepathy feats and is massively superior to Xavier and Emma. The argument doesn't become irrelevant. If void had the telepathic powers you speak of then why has he never used them in a direct confrontation with scores of heroes that telepathy would easily put down? If he could so easily wipe thor's mind, why didn't he make the entire Avenger's cast forget the Void existed?

His effect was more subtle than what other telepaths use in fights. The argument doesn't become irrelevant just because you want it to.

Void did beat Spider-Man telepathically, but Spider-Man has more willpower than most of the people in the Marvel Universe (in my biased opinion) and he was the only one, who ever managed to make a move, even though being attacked by the Void. Great showing for Spider-Man. I've seen that guy fighting through powerful illusions, which made him believe that he was paralysed and that all hope was gone.

Spider-man has had his mind taken over dozens of times, so not really.

I could case less if Sentry loses to Martian Manhunter. What I have a problem with your running around and trolling people, spreading lies and running to Static Shock as soon as someone calls you out on your BS.

Funnyly enough Static Shock is someone, who used to troll and insult people big time, before he became a mod, so I guess you two found each other back then.

Knowing you you would instantly ban me, if you had mod rights and knowing you I bet you already tried to set it up.

But none of it matters - just do me a favour and stop lying.

There isn't a conspiracy to get you banned or have your opinions sequestered. The victim complex rarely garners sympathy.

team even with morals on.

Wonder Woman solo's Sentry per OP: at full power,the million suns,full void powers everything written about him

LOLOLOLOLOL, NO.

Sentry/Void team busts regularly and effortlessly. Void only "lost" to himself, Sentry, and Thor when he wanted to die. He's atomized Molecule Man by having greater control of molecular manipulation! Sentry/Void stomps and it's not even close. The very notion that WW could solo, or any of the others, is so absurd you've lost all credibility in this argument.

I'm not debating in this thread anymore but you've lost credibility with the arrogance of that statement and having not even read this thread. I'm not the one who needs a recheck on what they're saying, you are.

@green_skaar: Thank you for giving me a reason to flag you. Your ignorant attitude to the rules of the battle forums do you no good whatsoever. Please try and learn a little more about these characters rather than hedging your bets on Sentry. Oh and try actually reading the thread. It'll do wonders on getting the damn context right.

I thought you weren't debating in this thread anymore? Also the irony for flagging someone who called you ignorant when you call them ignorant in turn! Keep up the great job lying and being a hypocrite!

Exactly, we don't know the Voids telepathic resistance. So instead of making shit up and assuming he could resist the attack (cough cough Enzeru) we can assume that since Martian Manhunter has better feats, he is the stronger telepath, and could thus invade Sentry's mind.

Yes. There's a grand conspiracy on this site, comprising a whole bunch of people who have nothing better to do than to make you look bad. I am Chief Wizard of said conspiracy, and my minions are worming their way into the hearts and minds of the higher-ups as we speak. Mea culpa.

I'm not saying that Void defeated Xavier telepathically. I'm saying that Xavier was never the secret weapon to take out the Void via telepathically, something people here believe Martian Manhunter would do. If Xavier can't do it in the slightest, why should Martian Manhunter be able to do it?\

Because Martian Manhunter has telepathy feats that are substantially better than Xavier's? This isn't hard. For god's sake, the same piece of the Void that Xavier faced also lost a psychic fight against Cyclops. Someone who doesn't even have telepathy.

Void did beat Spider-Man telepathically,

Spider-Man shook off the Void's telepathy to the point where even the Void was shocked and stated it wasn't possible. Sure, he passed out from the strain shortly afterwards, but he's a street leveler with no concrete telepathic resistance and no psychic abilities whatsoever. Contrast that with someone who has telepathy that functions across different timelines, across galaxies, and occasionally mucks with the heads of dudes who blow up universes, and tell me what you think is going to happen.

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We don't know if he can do it, since we don't know Void's limits, so there is no point in argueing that.

We've been down this road before. I'm sure you remember it. Empty supposition is not a valid case. "Yes, Void has no telepathy feats on Martian Manhunter's level, but we don't know Void's limits, so let's give him the benefit of the doubt and assume telepathy won't work on him!". Please. And then you want people to stop thinking you might have the slightest hint of bias in your posts.

but Spider-Man has more willpower than most of the people in the Marvel Universe (in my biased opinion) and he was the only one, who ever managed to make a move, even though being attacked by the Void. Great showing for Spider-Man. I've seen that guy fighting through powerful illusions, which made him believe that he was paralysed and that all hope was gone.

Get outta here. If you're really going to try and claim Spider-Man throwing off the Void's telepathic attack isn't a pitiful display from the Void because Spider-Man has so much willpower, give me a heads-up so I can know when to roll my eyes and keep scrolling.

Once again, you're taking it far and spreading lies and misconception. I don't mind Sentry losing, but the problem is that no one on Comicvine knows who to let him fight against. Superman? It will turn into a gigantic thread, even though Sentry wins that battle.

Then we have the Void fighting characters like Phoenix and other characters like that, which Void in my opinion should never win on Comicvine, but people argue for him.

Here's the thing about claiming that I'm lying about the way you debate: I can literally screencap posts from multiple threads where you outright claim that *anyone* debating or thinking of debating against the Sentry is an ignorant hater, whether they're making good arguments or not.

So please, don't tell me I'm taking it too far. Say the word and I'll hold your hand and walk you through how you debate on this forum, using your own words and posts. Just don't assume anyone's going to be dumb enough to believe that you're the Great Wronged One fighting a neverending war for truth and accuracy. You're just another fanboy. Hardly original.

You say that I'm a Sentry cock-rider, you say that I want him to defeat Shuma-Gorath in his own dimension. You're spreading lies and as I said it, that's a huge shame.

I have never said any of these things. You have literally just made them up, put them in my mouth and claimed I said them, which is *ding-ding* a lie. So I'm just the teensiest bit unclear right now as to why you're lying and then lamenting my lies......which you lied about.

What topsy-turvy world do you come from, man?

Once again, you're totally ignoring the context behind Void.

Sure, sure.

He was powerful enough to withstand any telepathical attack on Marvel Earth and we don't know if he would be powerful enough to withstand Martian Manhunter's attacks or not.

He's either capable of it or he's not. Make up your mind. If you think he is, feel free to present telepathy feats from the Void. I'll present some for Martian Manhunter. Up to it or not?

We simply don't know. If we assume that it's a telepathical stalemate, because it simply is a stalemate, then all what remains is Martian Manhunter with his other abilities against the Void and you know exactly that he doesn't win that fight.

I don't assume it's a telepathic stalemate. I'm sure you'd like to despite there being literally no evidence to that effect, but I don't. I am fully prepared to defend Martian Manhunter's telepathic ability as superior to the Void's in every way imaginable, and.......I look forward to seeing you try the same for the Void. Again, are you up to it or not?

Once again, more lies.

You know exactly what my problem with you is, CitizenBane. I once called you a passive aggressive troll and that not, because of the stuff you said to me. It's because of the stuff you used to say to anyone and you usually still do it.

Again, please don't try feeding people BS and assuming they're dumb enough to buy it. You didn't call me a passive-aggressive troll. Don't sugarcoat your language and pretend you're an angel. Not when it would take me a few minutes at best to show everyone the offense that got you banned before the Great Reset that unbanned everyone.

You have the attitude of an elitist and don't respect people many users on Comicvine, even though you see some of them on a daily basis.

I respect many people on ComicVine. Some are even on this thread. I don't respect you, because you don't deserve it. You know this as well as I do. Not respecting you is hardly the attitude of an elitist, merely that of someone who's unfortunately more familiar with you than most. Kindly refrain from making things up about how I think and then claiming they're fact. I believe that's the infarction you're accusing me of. The irony is so thick it is acquiring sentience and making faces at me.

I could case less if Sentry loses to Martian Manhunter.

Yup. That's why you were banned for raging on a Sentry vs Martian Manhunter thread. Totally.

What I have a problem with your running around and trolling people, spreading lies and running to Static Shock as soon as someone calls you out on your BS.

Funnyly enough Static Shock is someone, who used to troll and insult people big time, before he became a mod, so I guess you two found each other back then.

Wow. A troll with a victim complex who resents the mods and thinks they're the real bad guys. So original.

Knowing you you would instantly ban me, if you had mod rights and knowing you I bet you already tried to set it up.

If I had mod rights I'd motion for a removal of the top decks from issue pages because they're just left blank and serve no purpose as far as editing goes. Why even keep them?

You're not a priority to me. Please do not delude yourself.

But none of it matters - just do me a favour and stop lying.

Then what will I do with the whole conspiracy setup? Logistics, man.

There's literally zero evidence that Sentry is fast enough to trade blows with the Flash or capable of defeating the Martian Manhunter in a telepathic battle, but Enzeru's cover-all argument for all such scenarios is "You don't know that! Yes, there are no feats to that effect, but that's only because there's no one like that in the Marvel universe! I'm sure he can do it! He has no limits! If we don't know his limits, how can you say he'd lose?!?".

This is how we debate now? Really? Is that what it's come to?

Once again people are completely downgrading Void's power levels, just because he never had real limits in his own universe, but because of Comicvine's bias towards DC comics and Superman / Flash / Martian Manhunter threads get created in which a regular Sentry loses fights to cartoon versions of the DC characters, which is ... *facepalms himself to the Moon*

Here's your argument, reapplied to superman:

New 52 Superman has never shown a limit to his strength either, at least in the same way Sentry hasn't. He benched the planet for five days, and was complaining that he wanted more but couldn't get anymore. Since no one has pushed him far enough yet we don't how strong he is. Therefore, you can't say Superman wouldn't one-shot Sentry.

Here's something that I know you're not familiar with because you keep ignoring it: Philosophical Burden of Proof.

See that's a part of an argument to prevent nonsense like, "We don't know that for sure" from mattering. It means that you have to provide the evidence. Sentry not having feats against MMH level Characters is perfectly consistent with him getting destroyed by them. Once again, Sentry not having infinite strength is consistent with what he's shown. "The power of 10 million exploding suns" is not unlimited, Sentry has never been shown to have this power, get over it. And you complain about people fan-wanking other characters?

Batman has never shown a weakness to supernova explosions. From this we can conclude that he could survive one.

@lvenger: lol lvenger, i don't want to butt in here, but i think it's really funny that YOU gave enzeru a TRAVEL SPEED feat of flash saving those people, and then you LAUGHED at him and told him he made a huge mistake when he gave you a TRAVEL SPEED feat of sentry and thor.

hypocrisy.

@cooldes: There's actually a difference. In the Flash feat, Flash is interacting and performing complex motions, as well as tracking and finding multiple people.

I've always found it amusing the travel vs reaction speed in general. If you can travel faster than you can react then you are in sense blindly and wildly going forward and most likely smashing into anything in your way!

@thebourneposter: that doesn't constitute combat.

anyway i'm not going to into this, i was just pointing that out.

@cooldes: I'm not going into this, I was just pointing out that you're wrong.

First off, there's a difference as the Bourne Poster mentions

Secondly, if that's not good enough for you, then how's this? Wally throwing thousands of punches in less than a second in a fight with Zoom

Or if you're going to quibble with me because Jesse had lent Wally her speed for the battle and he still couldn't keep up with Zoom, how's this to debunk my supposed hypocrisy? Do try and learn the differences between travel and reaction speeds, the both of you. There's the real hypocrisy. Get back to me when Void moves like this skaar and enzeru. Or shows picosecond reaction times. I think this clears up who the real hypocrites are on this thread.

enzeru is doing a good enough job here, and i agree that The Sentry should clear this, especially with all of the non-factors on the team.

Void is undefeated so we really don't know what it would take to kill him.

He took on a mixture of The fantastic four, The inhumans, the avengers, and the x-men(also dr. strange and spiderman were there too) all at the same time and just dominated them, and he only used shapeshifting. none of his other vast array of powers. and they had to get emma to beg him to unvoid.

He's obviously an accomplished team buster and i just don't see him losing this one.

Enzeru is doing a good job? Lol, I doubt that considering I countered his points and was told by Bane his past history of throwing a tantrum when he doesn't get his own way about the Sentry.

So just because someone hasn't been beaten on panel, you assume there's no way to beat him? What flawed logic.

Manhunter's taken on the entire League including Wally who's a teambuster in his own right before so you can't really use the odds Void's gone up against as a good argument

Well he's going up against two teambusters. One with Superman physical stats and near unparalleled telepathy and a speedster with a sheer plethora of ways to use his speed to damage the Sentry. So in essence, it's one supposed team buster vs two team busters. I think two team busters is greater than one, don't you?

@lvenger: i'm not in this bro. i stated that in the first line of my first statement, starting with the first word.

i just wanted to point out that you showed us flash covering large distances in a very small amount of time, which is a great feat, but it wasn't a combat feat. but when enzeru responded with Sentry lugging thor over vast distances in a small amount of time, you laugh in his face an tell him that he made the mistake of using travel speed instead of combat speed, when infact, he was just responding to you, who did the same thing, first.

@cooldes: Well would you say I've covered myself with the feats I've given you instead? The ones where Flash has fights in less than a second and reacts in picoseconds? I take it that's not a travel speed feat in your eyes?

No one said there wasn't a difference. I find it funny people saying characters are traveling far faster than they can react. Are we suppose to believe Thor, Sentry, Surfer and others are flying through space unable to react accordingly? They must routinely run into stars and planets if not!

@patrat18: I can get a scan later, but it was in the backup for JLA (#4, I believe) that detailed why he came to earth - the entire Martian race was wiped out when a telepathic creature on earth simply reached out/probed the solar system with his mind - Martian Manhunter mind wiped/killed that creature. I won't quite say effortlessly, but he did. He also shut down Despero's mind in JL #20 with compete ease, and he's also a high-level telepath (who had, apparently, beaten the JL before with his TP).

@enzeru: @lvenger: So? i really hate people who lowball other people. ESPECIALLY when it's irrelevant to the matter at hand. you've continuously lowballed sentry throughout this thread and now you're trying to lowball enzeru?!?!

You've countered all of his points?

that's great and all, but so has he to you. rinse amd reapeat. this is what debating is.

What does it matter? why even take someones word for something that happened in the past and has NOTHING to do with Sentry vs The jla and avengers.

what enzeru has done in the past is completely irrelevant to how well he is doing in this thread.

saying that is just rude, and unnecessary, and it's the kind of thing that should be flagged. plain disrespect. i don't usually ever flag people but if you continue to make undermining commenta that have nothing to do with the topic and are just to hurt other users i may have to.

not cool dude.

@equonox: yea i just read it thats insaine

@green_skaar: I've given you actual combat speed feats for Wally to compensate my supposed 'hypocrisy.' Unless Sentry has those kinds of feats, I doubt he'll be able to keep up with Wally at all.

As for your other part, Thor has really slow as hell combat speed. That has been proved in fights time and time again which is why I and many others use it as a point against Thor being unable to beat Superman in a standard fight. Once Superman uses his speed, Thor is at a loss There's a difference between travelling at those kinds of speeds and being able to react to them. Let me illustrate myself with two examples. Firstly, look at this scan of Superman travelling at FTL speeds (he also can't fight at FTL speeds) and see if it doesn't make sense

Note what the boxes say about Superman "leaving his earthly perceptions behind." For most characters, travelling at that speed does not require you to perceive what is going on. Also note the "There is no time for judgement, only action." There's a really great blog on the travel/combat speed distinction but for the life of me, I can't find it.

Secondly, do you read Thor: God of Thunder? If so, you'll be aware of the event in issue 9 when present Thor and King Thor are speeding towards Gorr after King Thor blasts him light years away to a distant moon. Both Thors slam head first into a chunk of moon thrown at them by Gorr. There's no reaction to it, just a straight on blitz. Whilst travelling at these high speeds, Thor has never shown being able to react according to the speed he's travelling at. By contrast, characters like Wally have been able to react nearly as fast as they're moving. That's the key difference that you're not understanding and which I hope I've clarified.

@cooldes: What have I done wrong to deserve flagging? Bane has knowledge of this guy and to be honest, he's displaying the kind of behaviour Bane told me he's done before. Flag me if you want but all I'm doing is pointing out the misconceptions in this thread. If that's a flagworthy offence, then so be it. You'll have flagged me for no justifiable reason at all.

I know a fair bit about Sentry, in fact he's one of the characters I offer to debate with so far be it from me to lowball him when I know his capabilities. But I know Wally's and MM's too and they can most definitely take down the Sentry by themselves. And I've read Enzeru's FAQs and they're sorely lacking in the objective department along with application of his extensive Sentry knowledge to the question at hand.

@lvenger: i would also like it of you stopped skewing my words.

"void is undefeated so we really don't know what it would take to defeat him"

you: "so just because someone has yet to be defeated on panel, you assume there's no way to beat him? what flawed logic."

^ i never said anything remotely close to what you state is my "flawed logic". undermining my logic won't help you convince anyone that sentry loses against the jla and avengers, i don't even understand why you would even say that.

and with beings like the living tribunal and TOOA, why would i possibly think he can't be beat?

all i said is that we don't know what it WOULD take to defeat him. meaning he can be defeated, we just don't know exactly how much power is required.

lowballing other users..

still not cool bro..

@cooldes: How am I lowballing other users if I point out that their logic is flawed? Pointing out that someone's arguments or logic is flawed isn't the same as a personal insult. You seem to have gotten into your head and here's where you make another mistake. It's an impersonal gesture to question someone's logic or arguments. I'm not insulting you or enzeru when I question the validity of your arguments or logic. That's how debating works and if you don't like that, I would have stayed out this thread if I thought like you.

@lvenger said:

@green_skaar: I've given you actual combat speed feats for Wally to compensate my supposed 'hypocrisy.' Unless Sentry has those kinds of feats, I doubt he'll be able to keep up with Wally at all.

As for your other part, Thor has really slow as hell combat speed. That has been proved in fights time and time again which is why I and many others use it as a point against Thor being unable to beat Superman in a standard fight. Once Superman uses his speed, Thor is at a loss There's a difference between travelling at those kinds of speeds and being able to react to them. Let me illustrate myself with two examples. Firstly, look at this scan of Superman travelling at FTL speeds (he also can't fight at FTL speeds) and see if it doesn't make sense

Note what the boxes say about Superman "leaving his earthly perceptions behind." For most characters, travelling at that speed does not require you to perceive what is going on. Also note the "There is no time for judgement, only action." There's a really great blog on the travel/combat speed distinction but for the life of me, I can't find it.

Secondly, do you read Thor: God of Thunder? If so, you'll be aware of the event in issue 9 when present Thor and King Thor are speeding towards Gorr after King Thor blasts him light years away to a distant moon. Both Thors slam head first into a chunk of moon thrown at them by Gorr. There's no reaction to it, just a straight on blitz. Whilst travelling at these high speeds, Thor has never shown being able to react according to the speed he's travelling at. By contrast, characters like Wally have been able to react nearly as fast as they're moving. That's the key difference that you're not understanding and which I hope I've clarified.

If you find that blog about travel/combat speed, please share the link, I'd be very interested. Thank you.

I have read a fair amount Thor, but not that comic in particular. Thor generally is traveling in a straight line at high speeds due to the nature of his flight (swinging his hammer and holding on). He's not like Surfer who can zig-zag mid flight at high speeds. It's apples and oranges here.

As for that Superman scan, yes he's leaving "earthly perceptions behind" but he's also is capable of "action". But for argument sake, let's say he can't "react", all that shows is Superman is capable of flying faster, by his own power, than he can react. This wouldn't be a blanket restriction for every cosmic traveler.

@lvenger: WHATEVER ENZERU HAS DONE IN THE PAST IS IRRELEVANT.

you guys are debating a topic. The Sentry vs JLA & Avengers.

Any other topic that enzeru was in before this has no weight here. why lowball a fellow user of the vine? it doesn't help your argument.

i'm not going to flag you, i'm not a person that flags others, i try and practice forgiveness, but if tou continuously do it i said that i might have to.

what has happened to enzeru before this thread has nothing to do with his debating in this thread and shouldn't be brought up. that's all.

lowballing isn't cool man..

@cooldes: The fact you've just ignored what I posted is an indication this isn't a topic that should be pursued further. I'll end this now.

I've just been searching for it, even on the OP's blog page but I can't find it. I'll ask him about it later.

That's a fair point but it's a demonstration that plenty of characters capable of travelling at that speed aren't capable of reacting to them.

Your argument is illogical because it presumes that because Void can take some telepaths, it can take all telepaths. It's like assuming that because Soft Kevlar stops pistol rounds it'll stop a rifle round. That's basically your comparison.

Also, if we don't know the limits, we assume it's whatever the maximum shown limit is. Superman's strength limit in the new 52 has never been shown, only that he can bench up to the weight of earth, for 5 days straight, without tiring, without the sun, and was still asking for more weight. We don't immediately assume superman can now lift anything simply because he hasn't shown his full limits. We don't assume Hulk has infinite power because Hulk has never shown his limits either.

If we just take those statements at face value, those characters should be considered as omniversal level beings, as infinite strength literally means infinite. Comic book characters can punch dimensions apart, so if the sentry at full power is unlimited, then he should destroy the omniverse with a motion.

We have to use what he's shown to have, not what we assume he could maybe possibly have. Otherwise it basically becomes a "beat my character" thread, and those are just ridiculous.

Just because we don't know Sentry's limits DOES NOT mean we get to assume they're higher than what the character is shown to have.

@lvenger: pointing out my logic is flawed is exactly lowballing. i stated my point. so instead of making a counter argument to my point, you chose to undermine my logic.

and you seem to have dodged the point of that reply. it was to show that you twisted my words into seeming as if my logic was flawed, when in reality what you said was nowhere near what i said.

i said we don't know what it takes to defeat void because he hasn't been defeated yet.

you said that i think because a character hasn't been beat that i assume he can't be beat. then you said my logic is flawed.

none of that relates to what i said, and was just there to undermine my logic.

really far from cool bro...