Sentry Runs The Telepathic Guntlet

Sentry 616 Stable/all personas merged

.

Rules

• Telepathy/Mind Bolts only Living Tribunal is judging.
• Defeating the opponent is the only way to pass stalemates means stop.

Guntlet

1. Gorilla Grodd
2. Savior Cable
3. Brain Wave Sr.
4. Fernus the Burning
5. White Martian Race
6. Starro the Conqueror
7. Phoenix (Jean Grey)
8. Thanos Infinity Guntlet

Round 3 should be higher. If about 7 of them equal J'onn in telepathy and there are 70 of them (which Protex stated during their first appearance) that's the same as 10 Martian Manhunters. He should get stomped that round, but defiantly gets demolished by Starro. Despero has at least as impressive feats as Sentry and he couldn't stand up to him.

@highaccuser: Move to where 5 or 6?

Move it to 6. Fernus isn't actually more powerful than J'onn so the entire race is certainly better telepathically. They'd still be below Starro though.

@highaccuser: Jonn ultimately managed to telepathically fool ALL of them ( 60 or so ) so ....7 aren't really the same as one Jonn

That was after they were defeated and probably couldn't put up any resistance. Also off-panel so the means are unknown.

Edited.

Stops at 1

Stops at 8.

4-6 area IMO.

He is not getting past the nexus of all psionic energy in the "omniverse" using telepathy.

Omniverse?

Marvel claims to have their own omniverse which is why I used the quotation marks, they use the term frequently and the Phoenix has been called the nexus of all psi in the "omniverse".

Definitely stops at 7 but might stop a little sooner. No way in hell he clears.

Is Gorilla Grodd even a threat with telepathy?

Could stop between 5-7, definitely stopping at 8

Stops at 8

Not getting past three who should be higher to be honest. Brainwave has straight up taken the Spectre as his puppet, which is much better than J'onn simply thrusting himself into his mind.

@highaccuser: Er no?

The whole thing was on panel

End of terror incognita when Supes and co pull the moon. Jonn tricks the lot of them with a mass illusion

Stops at either 3 or 4.

Don't know 2 and 3. Stops at 4.

I thought you were referring to him making them think they were humans at the end of their first appearance. I didn't read Terror Incognita but that just seems like a low showing all things considered.

Stops at 4

@lemonsauce: he is not getting past 7 which should be 8 anyway.

@lordofallhumans:

Wrong and wrong.

@lemonsauce: the mind gem which would be the only part of the the IG that grants telepathy is universal, The Phoenix is the nexus of the psi energy that all psi is dependent on in the Marvel "omniverse". Thanos with the IG was a universal power. Sentry is not getting past the source of the power he needs to use in this thread. He stops at 7 if he can get that far.8 should be 7 and 7 should be 8 due to the reason explained above.

@lordofallhumans:

You're saying the IG only has "Universal" power, while the Phoenix has "Omniversal".

Please explain to me what that means, and what has the Phoenix actually done to display that?

EDIT: Also since the 616 Universe is the main universe that all of the others' depend on. Doesn't that make the IG multiversal in that way? Being that the 616 is really the only universe that matters and if it dies the others will die as well. I thought that's how it worked?

the comics already showed the Phoenix performing an omniversal feat when it projected a copy of the lighthouse into every universe in the omniverse (retconned from being the multiverse). The power within the M'Kraan crystal (nexus of all realties) can destroy all universes, it's later shown that the actual nexus in the crystal is the White Hot Room, which is the heart of the Phoenix Force. The Phoenix has been stated to be the nexus of all psi in the omniverse because there is only one Phoenix Force that manifests in every universe in one form or another.

That same logic would make everything in 616 multiversal and we know that is not the case.

Stops at 3 (Brainwave should actually be higher) and defiantly doesn't make any of the other rounds.

@lordofallhumans:

The Phoenix is still lacking actual feats though. The IG defeated Eternity, and even the Living Tribunal stated it would be a huge fight if he were to battle it with a willful user.

I don't believe the Phoenix is on that level of power. The Phoenix has more hype than feats.

I tend to side with Lordofallhumans on this one.

M'kraan Crystal :

Gallery

Phoenix Force (short version) :

Jean Grey :

The Moot Point :

The rest of the story is up to the writers.

@lemonsauce: you are talking about all aspects of reality that he wielded using the IG the one gem that matters in this battle is not a threat to Eternity as far as I can tell so what he can do with the IG as a whole is not relevant . Did Thanos defeat Eternity only using telepathy? Eternity also told Jean that her becoming Phoenix frightened him and the other abstracts because its power could end them all and recreate the universe in the image of the wielder, much like the IG. Merely separating the Phoenix from its chosen vessel will turn 616 (which Eternity is the embodiment of) into a lifeless void (Oblivion) which is the end of Eternity.

I gave you an omniversal feat of the Phoenix. Thanos with the IG was above all universal forces and that would most likely include a universal manifestation of the Phoenix. Jean is now beyond a universal aspect of the force she controls the entire force which exists in all universes including those not yet born. The mind gem grants access to all minds in a universe, Phoenix is the nexus off all psi everywhere and everywhen. Without life there would be no mind gem because the mental energies it manipulates are dependent on living minds actually existing.

Definitely stops at 7.

@lordofallhumans:

If it were that powerful, it would absolutely curb stomp anyone it's ever gone against, but it doesn't.

The phoenix is powerful no doubt, but I still think it's one of the most overrated in the Marvel Universe.

Thanks for the info

Sentry TP above planetary?

@lemonsauce: with exception of God Doom and the Beyonder the list of beings it hasn't curb stomped is virtually non existent and its power has even caused them pain when nothing else could. There are levels to the Phoenix and nobody has gone against its full power, only hosts having various fractions of its power. Your opinion of it being overrated is shared by many but not really warranted consdidering its track record of being incredibly powerful and indestructible, but its whatever.

You're welcome.