Senjumaru vs Aizen

Aizen defeated Ichigo and Kisuke's seal didn't work. He showed up at the soul palace and started defeating the zero division. All of a sudden 3 members kill themselves and a woman steps forward and says "bankai."

Does Senjumaru stop Aizen, or does Aizen kill her and move on to fight Ichibei and try to become the next soul king?

VS

Aizen still scales higher in power, S0 are not SK Candidate lvl.

@masterbuster666: Aizen created them??

@masterbuster666: But was Aizen SK level at this point? Do you think he would have to evolve during the fight or would he already be strong enough in his monster form?

@ultimatesage: Aizen created the oken or something or was planning to.

Whoops, wrong information.

Trancendents >> Non Trancendents. Aizen wins

@masterbuster666: being a candidate of the soul king doesn’t necessarily mean strength wise, it means that you have both shinigami/Quincy/hollow powers combine. That is way Ginjo was also consider a candidate too.

Ginjo is a candidate, but he at best is only an Assistant Reio... Aizen on the other hand got both. As the power to maintain worlds is also the role of the Soul King.... Soo strength is needed.

@masterbuster666: not saying it not needed but the other requirement is to be a hybrid like Hikone, Ichigo, and Ginjo

Senjumaru stomps. Transcendence is fraudulent. Monster Aizen do not even have shikai

Hmm, I can accept it, Aizen only managed to become one due to Hogyoku anyway.

@masterbuster666: I mean think about it. Why wasn’t ichibei considered a candidate? He was around the soul King much longer than anybody else, or what about the royal guards. Seeing that last episode it quiet clear that they most certainly are powerful beings to even shake both worlds just by their release. Not even kenpachi was considered one as well despite him one shotting Hikone who was considered a candidate and being more powerful than Ginjo.

These people may be powerful but they are not an hybrid which automatically disqualifies them from being a replacement despite them checking off the strength box. Aizen is technically an hybrid now but he is only shinigami and hollow, you must have all 3 races because all 3 is what the soul king is.

isn't God Aizen surpassing any Shinigami common knowledge?

Aizen is outdated fodder.

He lost to SS Arc Ichigo.Senju dogwalks him

Aizen.

Aizen gets folded. Even before this episode he wouldn't have won. All this talk when kubo already said aizen wasn't enough...

Monster Aizen is SK lvl or beyond, according to UnMasked, so he stomps.

@ovy7: no

We can’t say who wins this fight now till the anime finishes

When was this stated?

@whatiswritten: before or right the start of the TYBW manga. During an interview they ask kubo if the 0 division will be revealed and he says yes but he needs to make a greater threat because aizen wasn't even enough to get them involved. Clearly showing they weren't worried about him

Good argument

Reminds me of Blast didnt give a shit about Boros

Aizen gets belted

Bro is amazed with hill busting -.-

@ovy7 said:

Aizen, lol.

Aizen ain’t that strong. Ichibei said he didn’t consider Aizen a Soul King candidate to replace the Soul King as permanent seal because he wasn’t a hybrid like Ichigo.

Ichibei is suppose to be much stronger than Senjumaru as well but he aint shaking planets either, this is very common in fiction.

Yhwach is doing just fine against Ichibei and he also is not shaking worlds.

Aizen by Logic and lore/databook is above Senjumaru and has been since he became Butterfly and had transcended Shinigami, i mean even if his 2nd form his reaitsu was already transforming into something else capable of even affecting something that is based on reason like the Kototsu/Dangai.

per ichibei own words: you can hone your zanpakuto all you want but your still a shinigami/shinigami he even says you wont be able to win against Yhwach like that which Ichibei proved by getting 1 shot, the RG breaking the Oath lets them use their zanpakuto/true power which again is within Ichibei statement of Shinigami, i mean Yamamoto could affect 1 Entire World with his Bankai a person slightly stronger would extend to 2-3 worlds, seeing as to Aizen had to go through 2-3 Evolutions before he surpass the concept of Shinigami Limits we can assume Yamamoto had still not reach the limitation of Shinigami itself.

Aizen fanboys lol.

Aizen solos, this is just common sense to the manga, powerscaling aside

Good counter, you convinced me.

Aizen lacks all the feats or statements putting him there

Unless shaking the realms isn't as impressive as hill busting or leaving a huge hole into the ground

Zero division either got an outlier feat or Aizen is simply weaker

Or maybe Zero Divison is just always that strong and Aizen is stronger as stated, the narrative doesn’t really care about what we think, Ichibei said himself he can create them, Aizen was stated to have reached the level of the SK, what else do you need,

People still don't understand that aizen isn't above the 0 division? He has literally nothing going for him.

Transcendence? Rukia, renji and byakuya could sense TS ichigo (dangai ichigo) power something aizen said couldn't be done unless you're in the same realm. Meaning they are vastly above him let alone the 0 division who gave them that power.

Don't want to use transcendence? Fine by direct feats he's below them as well. Got fodderized by ichigo. Same ichigo got dropped by askin non lethal ability meanwhile oetsu is blitzing askin while laying down and under the lethal effects. Putting him above TS ichigo (and dangai) through direct comparison. Who as already established fondled aizen.

Want to use databook? The statement where that was mentioned has no bearing on the 0 division as they weren't even truly thought up yet by that point in time. When kubo actually had the characters created up he states that aizen wasn't a threat to them. His statement will always take precedence as it shows the direct relation between aizen and said characters. The interview even takes place after Unmasked giving it even more priority because it's more recent

Want to use him fighting SK yhwach? Renji was ready to go fight SK yhwach and practically carried ichigo there. He cut the black goo? TS ichigo was capable of that feat and he's fodder to SK yhwach and as established earlier is below oetsu via direct feats meaning it still isn't impressive.

Aizen was said to create them? He was responsible for ichigo powers and we see that ichigo while not using his full power completely negged aizen. Him creating something doesn't at all mean he scales to it

Aizen was said to be SK level? Clearly retconned by how he got absolutely fondled by yhwach. Couldn't even lay a finger on him despite having every advantage he could want. He's clearly far weaker than the SK

Yall really hold aizen on this pedestal for 0 reason lmao. He has nothing putting him above them let alone unsealed. He has cool moments and people seem to glorify him because of it. Every argument that could be brought forward for aizen is trashed on by everything the 0 division has. Maybe the anime will actually let him reach the level yall want him to be at but right now he isn't there

Sure thing mate,with what feats?You sounds like Aizen won any single fight he was a part of

Squad 0 has the feats ad portrayal to stomp Aizen who lost to Dangai Ichigo.

Aizen

Unmasked states Monster Aizen>>>Weakened Soul King

Aizen one shots

@alextheboss said:

Aizen defeated Ichigo and Kisuke's seal didn't work. He showed up at the soul palace and started defeating the zero division. All of a sudden 3 members kill themselves and a woman steps forward and says "bankai."

Does Senjumaru stop Aizen, or does Aizen kill her and move on to fight Ichibei and try to become the next soul king?

VS

Don't forget to write down "feats only" and "no power-scaling".

Aizen transcended everyone according to unmasked so he slams even in butterfly form

@undre: We don’t know how Senjumaru is defeated. It might be Yhwach with the Allmighty who does it, so you really need to hold off in that argument. The rest of your points are fair.

Bro, when will you realise that this argument is fallacious.

When?

Today or tomorrow? Do you not know that feats are irrelevant in the eyes of the mangaka? Ulquiorra, you would say, has better feats than Yamamoto. Yet Ulquiorra would die to Shikai Yam, but according to you he would beat him.

It’s not my opinion, it is a fact that Ichibei said himself he can create them. Several times it has been stated the Hogyoku can make a NEW Soul King, and we are made apparent of the relevance of such power through Shutara, NOT the other way round.

Dangai Ichigo >> Monster Aizen >> Full Power S0

@ninjarizer: meaning, Dangai Ichigo and Monster aizen just get upscaled further, lol.

Dude,Aizen has nothing to do with the SK in terms of power.His strongest form got stomped by SK Yhwach.

The narrative through Aizen already proves his position

Aizen nor anyone Pre time skip done anything close to shaking 3 planets let alone 3 realms (which is what you guys interpret as).

As I said, Aizen is literally amazed about hill busting with the shockwave of his own sword(wasn't even him, and when he learned that he shit himself), the guy also in monster form released a ball attack and didn't even bust anything more then a city. To top it off he was boasting about bending time/space with his own hado.

Like I said, either Zero Division feats is an outlier or Aizen is simply weaker

@undre: 1. If kubo retconned transcendence then you can't use it as a reason for aizen being superior lmao and if he didn't then they scale vastly higher. When ichigo was actually being serious and using his true power rukia, renji and byakuya all sensed him. So either you use transcendence and they are far ahead of him by his own admission or you say kubo retconnec transcendence in which case you can't use it as reasoning for aizen to be superior. Either way he loses

Byakuya could easily be suppressing himself in CFYOW like ichigo did through TYBW. Funny how all of the characters who would be transcendent were conveniently pulled away in CFYOW except for kenpachi who was by far the strongest character present

2. Askin got caught off guard...no shot you're trying to say that askin is actually below barragan lmao

3. Yhwach had at best 2 SK fragments...which were weaker then he was pre SK absorption...they wouldn't add much in the grand scheme and aizen being vastly stronger then he was during FKT makes up for those other pieces anyway.

The coping is you guys acting like aizen is somehow above them when kubo has already stated that he's not lmao. True cope is going against what the author has already stated

4. Care to show the elites freeing themselves and it not being a result of the almighty? You can't? Then you can continue living in fantasy land lmao

Man, the Aizen downplay is kinda nuts, lol.

@masterbuster666: none of that explains why Ginjo and hikone was considered candidates before the others who obviously more powerful than they are such as kenpachi who folded hikone or Ginjo who is even weaker than her. You say they don’t have the stats but was still considered a candidate. And I don’t see how Ichibei lack the power like anyone else of the candidates can take Yhwach down(besides Ichigo) and he isn’t shaking the realms either.