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Lets see who wins?

Rounds:

1: Bronze armor seiya vs Ben 10 (original series).

2: Gold cloth Seiya VS Ultimate alien Ben 10.

3: God cloth seiya VS Ben 10 with Alien X.

Rules:

Seiya have all the senses in the first battle. Plus Ben 10 have master control.

No prep.

No knowledge.

In character.

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feats from ben 10 being faster than light.?

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@chibi_cute: XLR8 is hypersonic. Clockwork should be as fast as he wants to go. he can slow time down like Zoom and move fast. He can also stop time so he is kinda unstoppable.

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@rbt said:

@chibi_cute: XLR8 is hypersonic. Clockwork should be as fast as he wants to go. he can slow time down like Zoom and move fast. He can also stop time so he is kinda unstoppable.

Seiya is MTFL.

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Seiya slaughter stomp this isn't even fair.

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Seiya would reck Ben without much effort.

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@chibi_cute: Still, if Clockwork uses his powers, no matter how fast Seiya is, Clockwork would become faster. But I doubt Ben would turn into Clockwork without any pre knowledge on opponent. So real question is, can Seiya put Ben down? Because nobody except Clockwork is tagging Seiya.

Anyways, what about final round? Does Alien X stand a chance? I'm curious.

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@rbt: seiya can easily put ben down.

unless alien x manages to removes seiya's existence before seiya reacts, alien x has little room for error.

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@kyrees: Okay.

Can God cloth Seiya even hurt Alien X? I mean, he did tank universe buster.

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@rbt: seiya's attack hurt gods that can prolly survive a localized big bang.

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@kyrees said:

@rbt: seiya's attack hurt gods that can prolly survive a localized big bang.

Then this is a mismatch.

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1. Ben could possibly take round 1, assuming seiya doesn't rip his head off before he could do a thing. Or use the wrong alien.

2. Seiya. Mismatch of great proportions.

3. Seiya. Even greater a mismatch if that's possible.

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@chibi_cute: XLR8 is hypersonic. Clockwork should be as fast as he wants to go. he can slow time down like Zoom and move fast. He can also stop time so he is kinda unstoppable.

don't even try lol.

Only way this could be a match is if it's bronze cloth seiya. (bronze cloth indicates rank, not a cloth made of bronze)

Even as a bronze saint, he was causing sonic booms with his punches and shockwaves so strong it could shatter pieces of another saint's armor.

Saints gain their power from a source called cosmos, their travel and combat speed is same. (they explained it early in the series).

Bronze cloth was supersonic, early gold cloth was ftl, and later gold cloth... they crossed the universe in minutes. offense-powerwise, regular gold saints are capable of focusing galactic explosion on someone's body. Durability-wise, seiya could literally go to sleep and ben couldn't do a thing to him. Hax-wise, he could nuke ben from alternate universe..

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@princearagorn1: I was never making any case for Ben. Clockwork, however, can go faster than however fast Seiya can go. He can utilize time like Zoom and Hiro Nakamura.

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@rbt said:

@chibi_cute: Still, if Clockwork uses his powers, no matter how fast Seiya is, Clockwork would become faster. But I doubt Ben would turn into Clockwork without any pre knowledge on opponent. So real question is, can Seiya put Ben down? Because nobody except Clockwork is tagging Seiya.

Anyways, what about final round? Does Alien X stand a chance? I'm curious.

Alien x is just a casual fodder when it comes to seiya..

Seiya can punch a hundred billion times per second.. and completely destroy your individual atoms.

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@rbt said:

@princearagorn1: I was never making any case for Ben. Clockwork, however, can go faster than however fast Seiya can go. He can utilize time like Zoom and Hiro Nakamura.

who did clockwork tag to say he can tag seiya millionth of his speed again? And what are his feats that put him anywhere remotely near zoom?

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#21  Edited By DarthAznable

Seiya -insert dumb addition to word stomp-. Not fair imo but I stopped watching Ben 10 awhile aho.

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#22  Edited By DBVSE7

Are people forgetting Alien X is in Character meaning it will be awile before Alien X can even move never mind attack. Seiya won't waist time.

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@princearagorn1: Clockwork can literally stop time. Plus in one of Omniverse's recent episode, he slowed time down around him to dodge some projectiles. Being fast doesn't matter at all when your opponent can freeze you in time.

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Round 1: Seiya

Round 2: Seiya

Round 3: Ben

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@rbt said:

@princearagorn1: Clockwork can literally stop time. Plus in one of Omniverse's recent episode, he slowed time down around him to dodge some projectiles. Being fast doesn't matter at all when your opponent can freeze you in time.

Doesn't matter if he can stop time when one of the gold saints can do it also.. seiya can just snipe him from another dimension.

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@rbt said:

@princearagorn1: Clockwork can literally stop time. Plus in one of Omniverse's recent episode, he slowed time down around him to dodge some projectiles. Being fast doesn't matter at all when your opponent can freeze you in time.

who's the fastest opponent he has reacted to that way?

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What a way to lowball Alien-X. Not even worth arguing.

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@princearagorn1: Doesn't matter. They are no bloodlusted here. Seiya will not go berserk on someone he met for first time.

Though chances of Ben turning into clockwork is very slim since he has no pre knowledge on Seiya, but if he does go Clockwork, he,ll win.

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@rbt: Theres 2 problems with him turning into clockwork. 1. To my knowledge he can't slow down time to the level where a FTL character still can't blitz. 2. Again to my knowledge, he can't hurt seiya even if time is frozen. So unless he can keep Seiya frozen in time permanently, (in which case it's a stalemate) Seiya will eventually be unfrozen and will then kill Ben.

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@skit: 1- Clockwork can slow time down. 2-Clockwork can absolutely stop time. I don't see how slowing down time to Zoom's level and beyond would be a problem for him when he can absolutely stop time.

2- Is Seiya immortal? Because Clockwork can age him to dust. Even if he is immortal, Clockwork can just BFR him in time. Assuming, Seiya himself can't time travel.

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Seiya takes Round 1 and Round 2 in a mismatch.

Ben takes Round 3.

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@rbt said:

@skit: 1- Clockwork can slow time down.

I get that

2-Clockwork can absolutely stop time. I don't see how slowing down time to Zoom's level and beyond would be a problem for him when he can absolutely stop time.

Could you elaborate a little, what does absolutely stopping time mean. If it's just typical stopping time, wouldn't that require him to be clockwork which he can't do permanently. It's a problem because that's a ridiculous level of control beyond what he's shown. Plus the fact he's never used it at that level means he wouldn't even use it.

2- Is Seiya immortal? Because Clockwork can age him to dust. Even if he is immortal, Clockwork can just BFR him in time. Assuming, Seiya himself can't time travel.

Because that's totally in character for Ben to turn somebody to dust. One of the saints is completely immortal, it doesn't matter though as gold Saints can self revive. BFRing somebody in time isn't exactly in character either.

Basically you're saying Ben is going to use a alien that you admitted he is unlikely to use. Then he's going to use powers on a level he's never used or powers he doesn't really use in character. Let's say all of this is true that he happens to, why wouldn't Seiya just kill straight out the gate. Seiya has no qualms about killing so what stopping him.

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#34  Edited By DBVSE7

In Character Seiya wins all 3 not in character Ben could PROBABLY win round 2 but deffinitly win round 3

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@skit:

Could you elaborate a little, what does absolutely stopping time mean. If it's just typical stopping time, wouldn't that require him to be clockwork which he can't do permanently. It's a problem because that's a ridiculous level of control beyond what he's shown. Plus the fact he's never used it at that level means he wouldn't even use it.

Yeah, he can stop time for everybody. Like Hiro Nakamura from TV series Heroes. But yes, that requires him to be permanently in Clockwork form. Once he trnasforms back into Ben, time freeze would(should) cease.

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Because that's totally in character for Ben to turn somebody to dust.

Actually, it is. Ben is not as reserved in delivering the fatal blow to his opponents as comic superheroes are. 10 year old Ben threw Vilgax in space knowing(wrongly) that it'd kill Vilgax. He burnt Z'skayr. Almost killed Ultimate Kevin. Ben 10k actually tried to disintegrate Eon with his time ray. So..

BFRing somebody in time isn't exactly in character either.

Ben has done worse to his opponents.

Basically you're saying Ben is going to use a alien that you admitted he is unlikely to use. Then he's going to use powers on a level he's never used or powers he doesn't really use in character. Let's say all of this is true that he happens to, why wouldn't Seiya just kill straight out the gate. Seiya has no qualms about killing so what stopping him.

I was never actually making a case for Ben to win round 2. Infact I admitted that Round 1 and 2 are mismatch. I was just saying that Clockwork would have no trouble tagging Seiya. He has never slowed time on that level because he never needed to. We know that he can stop time and slow it as well. Assume a character whose two feats are lifting 5 tons and lifting 1000 tonns. He should be able to lift anything between 5 tons(slowing time down to dodge projectiles) and 1000 tonns(stopping time). How much did I confuse you?

I am no expert on Seiya. I'm assuming that he doesn't go for kill just as battle begins because he's not bloodlusted. No one corrected me yet.

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@rbt: Actually whether Seiya is bloodlusted or not he just doesn't hold back unless there is a reason why he can't kill something (A child for example like in the Omega series)

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Seiya all rounds

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#38  Edited By DBVSE7

Like I stated before they're in character Ben is such a laid back fighter in character Unlike Seiya who takes everything seriously and for the most part Ben doesn't think about his choice of Alien unless he knows about his opponent and has preped against that person. Ben is not going to bust out his best Aliens just out of curiousity which will be his downfall.

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@rbt: Actually whether Seiya is bloodlusted or not he just doesn't hold back unless there is a reason why he can't kill something (A child for example like in the Omega series)

Would Seiya just go for kill against someone who he has no information on and is meeting for first time? I'm honestly asking.

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#40  Edited By DBVSE7

@rbt: Well it's not "will he go for the kill" it's more like will Ben be able to take what Seiya dishes out and it all depends on the Alien Ben starts out with. Seiya is kind of like the hulk in a way like Hulk he doesn't need to be bloodlusted to be a dangerous opponent.

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#41  Edited By DBVSE7

@rbt: The first time thing doesn't make a difference Seiya and Ben fight completly different Seiya doesn't hold back in a fight and isnt laid back In character.

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@rbt said:

@princearagorn1: Doesn't matter. They are no bloodlusted here. Seiya will not go berserk on someone he met for first time.

Though chances of Ben turning into clockwork is very slim since he has no pre knowledge on Seiya, but if he does go Clockwork, he,ll win.

he doesn't have to. Clockwork has no feats saying he could do anything to seiya, nor take any one of his blows, nor tag him, even when he's at his most casual, and not fully powered as a gold saint. Whether he converts into clockwork or not doesn't matter at all.

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@rbt said:

Yeah, he can stop time for everybody. Like Hiro Nakamura from TV series Heroes. But yes, that requires him to be permanently in Clockwork form. Once he trnasforms back into Ben, time freeze would(should) cease.

Ok

Actually, it is. Ben is not as reserved in delivering the fatal blow to his opponents as comic superheroes are. 10 year old Ben threw Vilgax in space knowing(wrongly) that it'd kill Vilgax. He burnt Z'skayr. Almost killed Ultimate Kevin. Ben 10k actually tried to disintegrate Eon with his time ray. So..

Vilgax was also responsible for an uncountable number of assumed deaths across the universe and has put Ben and those close to him in danger numerous times. The others are similar cases just on smaller scale. These are all characters he had numerous encounters with and he knew that they wouldn't stop. Even then, he's still not going to kill unless thats his only realistic option.

Ben has done worse to his opponents.

Not random opponents

I was never actually making a case for Ben to win round 2. Infact I admitted that Round 1 and 2 are mismatch. I was just saying that Clockwork would have no trouble tagging Seiya. He has never slowed time on that level because he never needed to. We know that he can stop time and slow it as well. Assume a character whose two feats are lifting 5 tons and lifting 1000 tonns. He should be able to lift anything between 5 tons(slowing time down to dodge projectiles) and 1000 tonns(stopping time). How much did I confuse you?

Time and powers aren't nearly as linear or measurable as something like weight. Unless Clockwork has complete and utter control of every aspect of time you can't use those as opposite ends of the same power. Stopping time is one thing, slowing down/speeding up at zooms level requires an insane level raw power and concentration if it's through control. Zoom doesn't have straight up time manip, which is why he can't do things like stop time.

I am no expert on Seiya. I'm assuming that he doesn't go for kill just as battle begins because he's not bloodlusted. No one corrected me yet.

Well this is how he treated somebody who was just competition for the bronze cloth. He didn't even have to kill him, yet he made it as painful as possible then killed him.

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waybig steps on him

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@dbvse7: Doesn't matter at all, with Alien X, Ben can take all the time he wants. Seiya isn't doing anything to a being who survived the destruction of the universe.

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even thougt .i dont like it to say in every thread of ben 10.but if ben plays smart he can win all round .otherwise round 3 for ben

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Ben slaughters

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Survive the destruction of the universe ... yawns

The Anihilaarg weapow would do nothing to Seiya God cloth

Resisting a concentrated energy attack on your atoms and photons and resisting time to space distortion is something that golden saints have.

Level God can resist Big Bang concentrated attacks.

Seiya can kill Gods who are conceptual existences capable of creating universes.

I've read people claiming that Alien X is even Multiverse Level + or higher ... based on what these people claim that ???

Note: I could manipulate the facts and say that Seiya is multi-universal+ or higher ...

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If it's Universe vs Universe then Ben 10 side can win via Chronosapien time bomb.

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I found Alien X practically unstoppable but I discovered that your species cannot survive on a specific planet!

Celestialsapien cannot survive in Anur Vladias an undead planet that drains the life force of the living ...

Alien X is obviously not omnipotent or close to it.

I consider only his feats not the statements, Alien X may be able to beat Seiya but he would have no chance against several other manga characters.

SS chronos for example stomp

Bronze armor seiya vs Ben 10 (original series).

Gold cloth Seiya VS Ultimate alien Ben 10.

Seiya stomp