SCP 3812 vs Lucifer Morningstar

Here's some info about SCP 3812: http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-3812

So I know almost nothing of the scp so that made almost zero sense to me is this thing universal multiversal etc cause bare minimum lucifer is infinitely above and infinite multiverse

@darkhunter89:

Mismatch should have put SCP-343 vs Lucifer Morningstar

3812 is at best universal

Lucifer would probably also stomp him. He would pretty much stomp everyone from the SCP as I have been informed.

Lucifer Morningstar stomps.

Lucifer should win, SCP-3813 is extremelly overrated.

Lucifer stomps every being in all of fiction though.

Even the H.P. Lovecraft series?

@randybutternubs:

HP lovecraft entities were mostly featless but pretty much he could stomp everyone in lovecraft except for Azathoth

Lucifer could stomp everyone. I bet he even has a chance against TOAA, in fact he would also ridicule every other universe. No, to hell with that, Lucifer could take on the entire DC and Marvel universe at the same time and win in 10 seconds.

Lucifer

The best thing that SCP-3812 has done is transcending a narrative hierarchy which Lucifer is independent of. This narrative hierarchy is his defined limit, so saying that he could transcend Lucifer's narrative (If the term ''narrative'' is even appliable to him) is an NLF. Transcending a narrative hierarchy is nothing to Lucifer.

3812 has transcended the real world the literal real world the writer himself couldn't write him out of existence he tried everything just to kill him and he failed, 3812 is above omnipotent you can have the Writer trying to fight against this SCP but will fail because 3812 has ascended above the entire naration of the DC verse, 3812 is a character who is literally unbeatable period because he will always ascend and he will keep ascending then he will see Lucifer Morningstar as nothing but a comic book character, 3812 can affect the real world you can literally have composite DC and the winner is still 3812 you can have Cosmic Armor Superman and Mandrakk and have all the meta narrative hax until thy kingdom come and 3812 will still win. don't get me started on 2747 who can just create the strongest antagonist to kill everyone in the DC verse and all information about DC will be erased and you will only have second hand information, they both has transcended the entire hierarchy and both can just kill the entire DC verse one can alter the DC verse while the other can literally erase all information about the DC verse in the real world.

scp 3812 is omniversal

Lucifer spites

3812 just ascends the DC narrative and see Lucifer for what he's a comic book character and oneshots him and ascends the writer then proceeds to kill everyone in the DC multiverse.

Problem is in 3812's case, he's both a walking NLF, and atleast according to his TOAAs case, he's omnipresent and will reach the top or keep going even past that.

OT: The Morningstar can't exist without derivatives of Angra Mainyu, Heaven's icky legal system, Samyaza, angel hierarchy, God doing stuff, God doing stuff before that, God being, archetypal battles between order and chaos, Sky God and Serpent, etc. Plus, there's all the human perceptions, but in our universe, all are susceptible once 3812 lands the next jump.

@RajjarsAlt: ???

Dude there is no canonical omnipotent or top of heirarchy in SCP verse from what I know.

Lucifer clearly has it

Lucifer wins.

One of the SCP 001s function as a perverse combo of Nil Monitors and Writer TOAAS.

If you trace back the Scarlet King's history to that of Yesod, I think the All-Mighty qualifies

@RajjarsAlt: The Almighty is not omnipotent if I know correctly.And I dunno about 001 but heard that his strongest version represented the audience or stuff.Well,there you have it.there are limits to SCP 3812.Lucifer is not bound by what 3812 is transcending.

Why is that the case for Lucy?

And what if 3812 surpasses that highest state and is not bound by it any longer?

@RajjarsAlt: Well 3812 is bound by concepts like "narrative",which should be just an extension of lucy's will or stuff.

Also by transcending one at a time surely one will never reach the final layer if there are infinite narratives.If it reaches there,then it depends on the context.Since we know that he aint gonna jump into the real world.It is safe to assume that he is never gonna transcend the very Idea of a "narrative"

Eh mxy has done all sorts of narrative mumbo jumbo the leviathan has to an neither are even above dream of the endless who fears the Morningstar

3812 will ascend the narrative and view Lucifer for what he's a comic book character 3812 will destroy Lucifer without even trying.

3812 is above omnipotent he will destroy the entire DC multiverse and take control of the DC multiverse and recreate it in his image, 2747 erase the DC multiverse leaving second hand information and erase every information of the DC comic books in the real world.

Lucifer for actually having on panel feats.

SCP-3812 isn't a comic book character, so of course he doesnt have "on-panel" feats.

@deagonx: Hes easier to quantify though.

Lucifer actually has feats. There isn't a lot of feats for SCPs, just statements and titles.

So I think this should be locked since there isn't a lot of feats for SCP-3812.

@manmadeofhunter:

SCP is like 99% character statements. Every page is literally the description of the character through the viewpoint of the organization.

I get people don't like it, but SCP-3812 has literally one single characteristic, and that is him transcending everything that would transcend him. A character described to us as the God who created the laws of the universe said he wanted to design him to transcend himself the way he transcends the universe of SCP, and as a result he created a being that went up infinite layers the same way as that God ascends above the universe.

Yeah, it's an NLF, but thats literally the only thing we know about the character that has any relevance here. So our options are either

A. He stomps everything except a true omnipotent

B. We don't accept the only thing about him, so why even put him in a prompt?

SCP 3812

All the people that said that he's universal are dumbasses and shouldn't just read that file but everything about Scp-3812 and something's in the SCP foundation.Lets start at The Scarlet King he was capable of destroying creation/Existence/Omniverse.Then there are the high elder God's who view the Omniverse as a small spec(like the overmonitor),than there is the allmighty who rules over all of them and is also Omnipotent on that narrative(like the Presence but actually Omnipotent on some level),then there is Mary Nakayama who views all of them with the SCP foundation as Fiction,then there is Ben who is a part of SCP-001 Swann's Proposal and is a real life self inserted writter(like the writter from DC or Marvel's TOAA),The There is SCP-001 Swann's Proposal which is a self inserted organization(like Retcon crop),then there are the Scp's that manipulate and Transcend narratives and then there is SCP-3812 who just Transcends all of them,he Transcends infinite narratives and even after that he still continues transcending himself,surpassed The Almighty,he's writer(Ben),He's writters (Ben's) writter and so on forever,destroyed a narrative that contains countless narratives and surpasses any reality/creature above him to make them look like mere Fiction to him.

I would put Lucifer at a Scarlet King level maybe High Elder God level which are bothe omniversal+

Also no Morning star isn't Omnipotent not even the presence is and hack even if he was Omnipotent Scp-3812 would just Transcend he's layer of narrative and see him as Fiction and as you all know a Omnipotent being can't do anything while their in Fiction.That would be like saying Lucifer can get out of the page and slap you.

3812 stomps.

3812 solos dc and marvel multiverse including toaa and presence

I mean what makes u think Lucifer has a chance against SCP-3812.Name one good feat that put's Lucifer at a beyond all of Existence scale of power.

I mean why is this even a thread.what you wanted to see how many DCtards were gonna pile up and start commenting that Lucifer Stomps even though they don't know who scp-3812 actually is.

@michel999:

dude

None of those SCP things are even canon to each other lol. Making this scaling complete unusable. 3812 simply transcend a narrative layer and that’s not impressive to DC since even geometric dimensions offer a higher scope of fictionality upon transcendence. Lucifer should actually 1 shot.

@xearesay: first off Scp's are all canon to eachother.Second he transcends infinite layers of narrative and still keeps going after that.DC has not shown this amount of narrative manipulation ever.

@michel999: @mladen27: he also Transcendend he's own self inserted Writter and that writters Writter and so on forever.He also transcends anything above him(that isn't even needed in this fight).While Lucifer is still within a world with a hand full of narratives which are still within a narrative of Retcon Corp,The Writter and so on.If Lucifer isn't even on a infinite plane of narrative than why is this argument still going on.Every SCP is canon if their on The SCP page.Which they are.The Scarlet King is Scp-001 The almighty is the true form of scp-343 and so on.All that I need to prove my argument is The Scarlet King,Scp-001 Swann's Proposal and some other SCP's that Transcend Narrative's

since even geometric dimensions offer a higher scope of fictionality upon transcendence.

This makes literally 0 sense, but even if it did, 3812 would still transcend the fictionality of higher dimensional physical beings.

@michel999:

The almighty is the true form of scp-343

Wrong in so many ways, Almighty is just another all-powerfull being in SCPverse, while Composite SCP 343 is an aspect of creator.

The Creator had countless aspects, avatars, incarnations, and manifestations across all of the infinite layers of existence, innumerable layers of nonexistence, and the numberless layers of transcendent reality beyond the conceptual duality and distinction between existence and nonexistence.

In one of those layers of nonexistence, the one who would soon be known (in one incarnation) as SCP-343 comes into being. Or, more accurately, He wills the predominating aspect of his presence from non-being to being, from void to reality, yet still encompassing both.

@mymom: wait doesn't that prove his point about Scp-3812 being stronger than Lucifer.