Sci fi Grand Campaign! Eve Online vs Starwars/Warhammer 40k

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Eve Factions - Amarr, Caldari, and Gallente Federation

Amarr logoCaldari logoGallente logo

Starwars/Warhammer Factions - Galactic Empire and Imperium of Man

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Rules

  • No prep
  • Random Encounter
  • Win by destroying the other side
  • No BFR
  • Everyone's at height of power number wise for fleets as this is a naval battle over a planet.
  • Technology level is current for everyone
  • All lore allowed
  • No In fighting

Environment - All fleets are fighting over Coruscant ( no reinforcements. )

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Eve should win in a tough fight

@jwwprod: Heres some insight on the Amarr Empire, however lets note this is the strongest in production wise, ship wise the others compete with the Amarr, and Caldari being the most technological advanced.

Amarr fleet numbers can go from

55,000 to 65,000

With 2,000 - 9,999 being these.

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Meanwhile i think there is a quote mentioning that the GE only has 25,000 ISDs.

They also have hundreds/thousands of stations.

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and they are capable of building multi hundred km long stations in short frames of time ( months)

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Another image on size with the keepstar being 800 km long although i dont know which one is correct.

And while i take the literal ingame quotes with a grain of salt ( 1,600 ships per hour) there are still quotes and material supporting the ability to build thousands of ships in short frames of time.

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‘The production level at this Lai Dai shipyard is the highest it’s been since I started this assignment – six Phoenix-class dreadnoughts have been completed in the past week alone, plus dozens of battlecruisers . . . the logistics pipeline needed to support this kind of output is just astonishing . . .’

A phoenix class dreadnought.

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Also battles involving thousands of ships are a thing the smaller gallente federation sent a fleet of 2,000 ships just to defend one system from a small amarr invasion.

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The amarr sent fleets numbering in the hundreds to fight the drifters too.

So while memetic eve industry wont be a thing im fairly sure that a fully war geared amarr empire that doesnt have to worry about its enemies ( gallenteans,pirates,capsuleers, drifters and ninmatars) with 3 years of prep should be perfectly capable of building hundreds of thousands of ships and gearing hundreds of billions perhaps single digit trillions of soldiers the last based on the fact that the entirety of the caldari armed forces is composed of 400 billion individuals and they are the smallest nation.

Granted I didn't wrote all this out someone else did though, but I still had the sources to do so, which isn't necessary hard if you are a bit interested in eve and such. Regardless imo they should win in a tough fight.

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#5  Edited By Redzkz

Some random info for IoM side.

DAoT ship Speranza:

Roboute had heard of the vessels known as Ark Mechanicus, but had dismissed tales of their continent-sized cityscapes and planetoid bulk as exaggerations, embellished legends or outright lies.

Now he knew better.

A passing battleship that Roboute recognised as a Dominator-class vessel sailed below the Speranza, and its length was more than eclipsed by the beam of the Ark Mechanicus.

Where the Navy’s ships tended towards wedge-shaped prows and giant cathedrals of stone carved into the craggy structure of their hulls, the Mechanicus favoured a less ostentatious approach to the design of their ships. Function, not form or glorification, was the guiding light of the ancient Mechanicus shipwrights. The colossal vessel had little symmetry, no gilded arches of lofty architecture, no processional cloisters of statuary, no vaulted, geodesic domes and no great eagle-wings or sweeping crenellations.

The Speranza was all infrastructure and industry, a hive’s worth of manufactories, refineries, crackling power plants and kilometre upon kilometre of laboratories, testing ranges, chemical vats and gene-bays arranged in as efficient a way as the ancient plans for its construction had allowed. Its engines were larger than most starships’ full mass, its individual void generators and Geller arrays large enough to shroud a frigate by themselves.

Roboute had seen his fair share of space-faring leviathans, some Imperial, some not, but he had yet to see anything to match the sheer bloody-mindedness and ambition of the Mechanicus to have built such a damnably impressive vessel.

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Roboute was about to answer when the hull shook and a groaning rumble travelled the length of Renard’s structure as they passed into the graviton envelope of the Ark Mechanicus. So colossal was the Speranza’s mass and density that it created a distorted gravity field equivalent to that of an unstable moon. To fly through such volatile space without an electromagnetic tether would be highly dangerous, though that hadn’t stopped Emil from wanting to try.

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But such a violent birth was not achieved without cost, for all newborns fear leaving the peace of solitude in which they have endured the epochs. Like a wounded beast, it had lashed out in agonised bursts of archaic code all around the bio-neural networks of Palomar. Its machine screams overloaded the forge world’s carefully balanced regulatory networks and brought the planet to ruin in the blink of an eye. Hundreds of reactor cores were driven to critical mass in an instant and the subsequent explosions laid waste to entire continents. Irreplaceable libraries were reduced to ash, molten slag or howling code scraps. Millions of tanks, battle-engines and weapons desperately needed for Mankind’s endless wars were lost in the radioactive hellstorm.

By the time the Speranza’s birth rages had subsided, every living soul on the planet’s surface was dead and every surviving forge irradiated beyond any hope of recovery, leaving a gaping shortfall in Kotov’s production tithes.

In short continent sized ship.

This ship survived local big bang, when main bad guy in Mechanicus series used near dead C'tan to remake a system, with Speranza still in this system.

Uses black hole weapons:

"Looping targeting arrays for weapons he had never imagined the Speranza possessing and others that he did not understand flashed up before the astrogation and engineering hubs. Azuramagelli and Saiixek backed away from their stations, confused and not a little frightened by this unknown power rising up around them. Stark against the red of the main display, the image of an alien starship resolved itself. It was smooth and graceful, its hull like a tapered gemstone and topped with a vast sail that billowed in the gravitational tempests. Its image flickered and danced as though attempting to conceal itself like a teasing courtesan, but whatever matrices were at work in the heart of the Speranza saw through its glamours with ease.

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The flanks of the Speranza shuddered as a weapon system built into its superstructure ground upwards on heavy duty rails. A vast gun tube rose from the angled planes of the Ark Mechanicus like the great menhir of some tribal place of worship being lifted into place. Power readouts, the likes of which had rarely been seen in the Imperium since before the wars of Unity, bloomed within the weapon and a pair of circling tori described twisting arcs around the tapered end of the unveiled barrel. Elements of the technology that had gone into their construction would have been familiar to some of the more esoteric branches of black hole research and relativistic temporal arcana, but their assembled complexity would have baffled even the Fabricator General on Mars. Pulsing streams of purple-hued anti-matter and graviton pumps combined in unknowable ways in the heart of a reactor that drew its power from the dark matter that lurked in the spaces between the stars. It was a gun designed to crack open the stately leviathans of ancient void war, a starship killer that delivered the ultimate coup de grace. Without any command authority from the bridge of the Speranza, the weapon unleashed a silent pulse that covered the distance to the Starblade at the speed of light. But even that wasn’t fast enough to catch a ship as nimble as one built by the bonesingers of Biel-Tan and guided by the prescient sight of a farseer. The pulse of dark energy coalesced a hundred kilometres off the vessel’s stern and a miniature black hole exploded into life, dragging in everything within its reach with howling force. Stellar matter, light and gravity were crushed as they were drawn in and destroyed, and even the Starblade’s speed and manoeuvrability weren’t enough to save it completely as the secondary effect of the weapon’s deadly energies brushed over its solar sail. Chrono-weaponry shifted its target a nanosecond into the past, by which time the subatomic reactions within every molecule had shifted microscopically and forced identical neutrons into the same quantum space. Such a state of being was untenable on a fundamental level, and the resultant release of energy was catastrophic for the vast majority of objects hit by such a weapon. Though on the periphery of the streaming waves of chronometric energy, the Starblade’s solar mast detonated as though its internal structure had been threaded with explosive charges. The sail tore free of the ship, ghost images of its previous existence flickering as the psycho-conductive wraithbone screamed in its death throes. Blue flame geysered from the topside of the eldar vessel and the craft lurched away from the force of the blast. Its previously distorted and fragmentary outline became solid, and the circling captains of the Kotov Fleet wasted no time in loosing salvo after salvo of torpedoes at the newly revealed warship."

Priests of Mars, PGA. 255-256

Only one such ship exist.

"Even the Navigators need a point of reference, and this is provided by the immensly powerful psychic beacon known as the Astronomican. Guided by the minds of ten thousand specially-trained human psykers on Terra, the Astronomican puklses outward 70,000 light years to the farthest reaches of the galaxy. A navigator can sense the beam of the Astronomican and use it to plot his course. Weaker, short-Ranged astropathic ducts and beacons are also used to mark out thr shipping lanes and to aid navigation through treacherous areas of the warp."

this gives us an idea of how far the IOM reach reaches it be easy to project that 70k LY in all directions. the earth is ~30 ly from the center of the galaxy *see link* and the galaxy is aproximatly 100k light years in diameter.

Since this is IoM in it's prime (if I understood that right), they have ships like this:

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"Ha! The Imperium is a big place, my boy. The universe is always unleashing some new catastrophe, some marauding race. Hundreds of worlds die, but millions more prosper. It matters not. Nothing can truly hurt us here." -Lord Magister Ithax Stroam, Terra (Codex Necrons)

The FFG books indicate the average sector caps off around 200 worlds, with a median of about a hundred; with a fleet of 50 to 75 ships of the line and 2-3 times or more their number in escorts, probably not more than 6-fold.

A "million worlds" with an average sector size of 120 worlds is about 8300 sectors and 400,000 to 650,000 ships of the line; with maybe 2 million escorts, so 3-5 million combat ships is probably a reasonable approximation not based on outliers.

IoM apparently have from 1 to 9 millions worlds in it based on different sources, most likely they have 3+ millions.

I don't think that IoM have the numbers of ships needed to stop Eve side.

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@redzkz: Is this current ships though?

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#7  Edited By Redzkz

@merulezall said:

@redzkz: Is this current ships though?

Speranza is current ship.

Renascence not sure, but it was one of traitor legion ships and loyalist chapters have a lot of ancient ships, so it safe to say that some Renascence-class relics still exist in IoM. Not many, but some.

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@redzkz: Alright fair enough, do you think it'd be an intense fight?

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@redzkz: Alright fair enough, do you think it'd be an intense fight?

Probably Eve side should win. Even with all fleets fighting, IoM risks to run out of ammunution by the end of it.

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#10  Edited By Cosmic_Templar

EVE wins with some difficulty.

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@redzkz: Yeah I think eve would win as well, just I think it could be a good fight.

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Eve prolly

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I have zero knowledge of Eve online.

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Lots of man sauce from IoM. What is pertinent to the discussion is the damage capability for EVE ships. If they aren't hitting in the gigaton+ range then it won't be exactly close.

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Hmmm that nova cannon though.

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@lukespeedblitz: they have megaton to teraton per second level of firepower depending on the calc.

In this fight most probable thing is eve will just cyno doomsday every planet