Scarlet Witch/Doctor Strange/Thor (MCU) vs Doctor Fate/Enchantress/Superman (DCEU)

Strange is a jobber.

Wanda is, as always, a non factor.

Thor is the only threat which = superman solos.

Scarlet Witch could arguably solo

Strange and Enchantress are non-factors.

Wanda gets blitzed.

Now it's Superman + Fate vs Thor. Thor gets wrecked by the team.

@tighten_returns: you're hilarious. Bro what's your next destination on your comedy tour cuz I wanna buy tickets!

OT: strange+Wanda clean house while thor is a superman meat shield.

Fate humiliates dr jobber

SW bodies fodderchantress

Superman beats thor for the 9999th time

He's not joking. Strange is legit trash.

His only good feats are during Infinity War on Titan. And that required prep + knowledge via the Timestone on what to do to get to Endgame. He was practically following a manual.

Strange without prep is legit trash.

OT: Making the win via death only = Superman blitz & one-shots the humans. Thor's only saving grace here is his durability. So he survives the initial blitz. But then gets ganged.

Also, Fate clowns Strange. The guy is not only more versatile and can use said versatility without elaborate handsigns. He can outright use multiple of his hax in-character as shown during the fight with Sabbac where he abuses Clones, while communicating Telepathically with Teth, keeping the giant barrier up, and shooting blasts.

And that's all ignoring the stat gap between them.

Strange has been nothing but pathetic in everything where he doesn't have prep + knowledge. His only actual win was against Sinister Strange. He literally only won when it was against a distracted version of himself.

And that's ignoring how Strange doesn't even use his good spells. He just resorts to whips or uses random fodder spells like the snakes he used.

Wanda carries her team to victory.

Enchantress sucks and would get stomped, quickly making it a 3v2

Clark solos again

This sums things up nicely.

Enchantress dies in the crossfire while Thor hits Clark with lightning AOE and beheads him from there. Wanda kills Fate via TK.

Team Dceu

Equalize speed and I'd back Mcu team.

MCU team stomp, superior in every way

Thor beats Superman

Wanda beats Fate

Strange beats Enchantress

Thor vs clark='s toss up both can win

Wanda VS Enchantress Wanda Bodies

Strange Vs fate Strange.. fate doesn't have many good feats even if it were a stalemate Wanda will end whoever is left

Team MCU

Bump

@karlheisenberg: didn't get tagged but that's alright.

Tbh you're not the first person to laugh at the things I say, I'm a very funny person so I can understand. But what does that have to do with this battle thread exactly?

wanda solos

strange and thor aren't needed

@emmafrostxmen: Wanda gets blitzed right off that bat wdym?

Thor is stronger than Superman and can handle blitzes with his lightning cloak. Thor overpowers and decapitates him while Wanda solos Fate/Enchantress.

Your right Strange is fodder tho.

@nassergrant19: tbh I wouldn’t call the one who fought thanos with four stones fodder, he’s a jobber fr tho

@mr-yes: I can kinda agree however unfortunately the vast majority of his fights portray him as fodder.

@nassergrant19: yea unfortunately

@nassergrant19: superman is far faster than lightning. wonder woman has lightning level reaction speed and clark statued her. thor can’t touch clark and he is fodder here.

wanda reacted to a photon blast from captain marvel. the characters might not scale but the blasts are still very much photon blasts (beams of light). wanda has the best reaction speed on her team….

Are you seriously trying to argue FTL Wanda cuz of those blasts? Lol

The same blasts Nick Fury, and an injured Thanos on the farm reacted to. The same Thanos that was kept up with a Pre-Prime Thor in combat….

No MCU character is FTL lol. Anyways I didn’t mention lightning as a blast to tag Clark, I mentioned it as Thor’s defense.

Thor’s passive lightning cloak on his body casually busts Uru busting blades and destroys Re-Entry level ships.

Once Clark blitzes into the cloak and gets momentarily injured, Thor will grab him and give him the Gorr treatment with his far superior strength.

Then decapitation if he’s Bloodlusted but manhandling him should suffice.

Thor beats Clark while Wanda beats the other two. If Wanda fights Clark she’s dead. Strange is useless here.

@nassergrant19: the cloak will be statued by clark. you’ve yet to explain how it will hit him when it will literally be in slow motion. wonder woman can lasso sky lightning. the cloak doesn’t follow the same principles and visibly is far slower than sky lightning. if clark doesn’t want to get hit he simply will not. clark > diana > lightning > lightning cloak

i’m not arguing wanda is ftl. i never said that. however. the blasts are at the very least massively hypersonic+ based on every showing they have and statements. wanda has the best reaction time here and she is the only relevant person on the marvel team unfortunately. mid-thor isn’t doing anything here. neither is doctor mid.

Superman one shots Wanda and Strange with Heat Vision from a gorillion miles away. After that lmao

@emmafrostxmen: The cloak will tag him because it’s always glowing on his body. Clark’s blitz is a physical punch, and as soon as it comes into contact with Thor’s body he’ll be fried on impact. The same way the blades and ships were. Clark gets fried during his first punch and that interval will allow Thor to manhandle him physically.

Prove they are MHS but even if I did accept that, Nick Fury is MHS+ then. Anyways Thor’s speed would be on that level as well considering he’s faster than an injured farm Thanos who could react to it lol. Mid Thor?

Lol where’d that come from? Strongest Avenger who is physically stronger and more durable than Clark is mid? Ok.

Fodder Strange who got beaten by Spider-Man, Maw, and Gargantos isn’t doing anything. Thor beats Clark while Wanda takes out Fate/Enchantress.

@emmafrostxmen: fodder Thor? Yet he‘s pulled off feats dceu characters could never even dream of. And the speed argument is irrelevant Thor has plenty of speed feats now. Both doctors are fodder (maybe fate isn’t complete fodder), enchantress is fodder, Thor stomps Superman. Wanda deals with fate, or Thor could just solo

@mr-yes: thor solos nothing. he’s not touching anyone. show him moving at hypersonic speeds in combat. superman as of justice league sees hypersonic opponents (diana) as statues. thor is massively subsonic in combat. he’s beyond a statue. he’s endlessly frozen and helpless within the stream of time.

@nassergrant19: thor can’t tag superman. show his cloak tagging someone who is hypersonic+ in combat. if you can’t provide this exact feat then you are assuming it can tag him. superman isn’t blind he can see the lightning and just blast him with heat vision from afar for as long as it takes. frankly the idea thor can touch superman when he’s actually trying to win is hilarious, ridiculous, and quite devoid of all in universe evidence.

superman blitz kills thor and doctor strange at hypersonic speeds while wanda watches then solos

@emmafrostxmen:

thor can’t tag superman. show his cloak tagging someone who is hypersonic+ in combat.

Dude lol. I never said he was tagging Clark. Try to re-read what I wrote.

I said Clark will tag Thor. Once he touches Thor‘s body he’ll be fried due to the cloak always being on his body…

if you can’t provide this exact feat then you are assuming it can tag him. superman isn’t blind he can see the lightning and just blast him with heat vision from afar for as long as it takes.

This is a better argument, however the HV won’t hurt Thor. He’s far too durable. Also blasting him will just allow Odinson to locate Clark.

frankly the idea thor can touch superman when he’s actually trying to win is hilarious, ridiculous, and quite devoid of all in universe evidence.

I suggest re-reading my argument before calling it hilarious.

superman blitz kills thor

Wrong. Superman blitzes into Thor, gets fried and then gets manhandled by Thor‘s superior strength.

and doctor strange at hypersonic speeds while wanda watches then solos

Lmao you still haven’t explained this MHS+ Wanda wank. So is Nick Fury MHS+ as well? What about the fodder Skrulls that reacted to him? Lol.

Even using this ridiculous ”Light Speed” photon wank, it just ends up scaling to Thor as well considering a half-dead Thanos reacted to them as well and Thor was definitely faster than that Thanos. Hell, all the Avengers were.

Strange dies, but Thor kills Clark while Wanda beats Fate/Enchantress.

Wanda would instantly atomises everyone here with a thought. Nobody in DCEU can stop Wanda and in the MCU there are only two beings who could, with two of them only existing in What If.

@mr-yes: Both solo these fodders, using highest ends for DCEU like Diana catching a lightning and saying DCEU is superior to MCU is a bad faith argument, Thor already blocked a Relativistic beam in his first film

Even arguments could be made for Doctor Strange with using the NWH statue scene if Superman wasn't here

@heiqn: facts

Wanda solo

@mr-yes: hella perceived lightning. she doesn’t fight at that speed nor move at that speed. lightning cloak isn’t as fast as sky lightning visibly and canonically considering it doesn’t follow the same physics that make lightning move that fast. so in order to scale it to lightning, the cloak specifically needs a statement or quote. it moves at the speed of unquantifiable energy as of right now unless the speed is specified. in the film it’s visibly slower than the sky lightning they show and since it isn’t searching for the path of least resistance to ground itself like typical lightning in the real world it doesn’t follow the same principles and therefore does not scale to the same speed.

thor is massively below wanda in universe. laughably so in fact. he is fodder to her.

@nassergrant19: the cloak isn’t always on his body and the cloak that is on his body doesn’t have the energy output to actually hurt superman unless you have a feat of that lightning stunning or even coming close to injuring someone like clark? there aren’t any feats like that. even thor’s full blasts of lightning just charge the iron man suit and annoy thanos. he’s not even coming close to harming clark. he is fodder.

@emmafrostxmen:

thor is massively below wanda in universe. laughably so in fact. he is fodder to her.

No he isn’t lmao. Maybe during IW but not in L&T. He’s verbatim stated to be stronger than Carol and thus Thanos physically. He’s below Wanda only due to her hax via TP or RW. Even in a fight, considering recent Marvel Studios statements have referred to L&T Thor as the strongest Avenger multiple times, I doubt they’d make Wanda win if they were written to fight. Hell I doubt RW would work in universe considering Thor is a magical godly being who is the son of the literal All-Father and stated to have more potential than him.

In raw destructive power he’s up there. Anyways no one is saying the lightning cloak is fast. We’re saying it’s always on Thor’s body while he fights and will fry Clark once he comes into contact with it.

@nassergrant19: MoM wanda > WV wanda > EG wanda >> thanos

it doesn’t matter if he’s above thanos or not. he has no feat that puts him anywhere close to wanda through scaling. wanda is still and will remain massively above him. wanda would be written to win because she’s consistently been portrayed as a far more powerful character.

the cloak doesn’t have a single damage output feat that lets it hurt superman. there is no argument here and you have no feats to support your statement of the cloak hurting clark.

I assume this is prime Wanda, if so she does solo everyone here and her own team (unless Clark can blitz her first)

He IS above Thanos by quite a bit per WoG.

L&T Thor>EG Carol>EG Thanos

Wanda beats Thor via hax. In raw power he’s up there with her.

She can be massively above him in hax but that doesn’t change his power level.

And considering the next Thor outing will be more serious in tone, I think his magical side will be explored and likely give him resistance.

Anyways, my point is Team 1 wins. I think you’re in agreement? I just think Thor beats Clark while Wanda beats Fate/Enchantress.

We can both agree Strange is fodder no?

@abbottforpres:

1. atomizes not atomises

2. You can't use a use a verb, adverb, and a verb again like that in a sentence lol

@nassergrant19: hela was not above thanos by much in the first place and gor is above hela to an unconfirmed degree. i’ve seen all of the quotes. so at absolute best (not saying i agree with this) MoM wanda > WV wanda > EG wanda > gor >|= L&T thor >|= hela >|= thanos

thor can’t beat clark ever and you still haven’t shown the cloak harming anyone comparable to clark in the slightest. his full lightning blasts only charge the iron man suits and he mildly annoyed thanos. but yes team 1 wins.

i mean technically nobody fodder here because anyone on the mcu team can take enchantress, but yes strange isn’t needed.

@emmafrostxmen:

hela was not above thanos by much in the first place and gor is above hela to an unconfirmed degree. i’ve seen all of the quotes.

Those aren’t the quotes I’m referring to. Recently the MCU film writers stated L&T Thor is the strongest Avenger in an interview. This scales him above Carol and thus Thanos.

L&T Thor>EG Carol>EG Thanos

thor can’t beat clark ever and you still haven’t shown the cloak harming anyone comparable to clark in the slightest.

It never harmed anyone because they never came in contact with it but it’s AP feats are enough to harm Clark. Uru busting AP is definitely enough to hurt Clark lol.

his full lightning blasts only charge the iron man suits

Pre-Awakened massively Pre-Prime weaker Thor….and even then the lightning overpowered the max charge of the suit and was calced at City Level….

and he mildly annoyed thanos.

Thanos is more durable than Clark and once again, this is Pre-Prime Thor.

but yes team 1 wins.

Agreed.

i mean technically nobody fodder here because anyone on the mcu team can take enchantress, but yes strange isn’t needed.

Fair

@nassergrant19: carol is only debatably above thanos. they’re portrayed as roughly equal more or less. so it actually looks like this: l&t thor > thanos ~ carol. still several levels below wanda who is by the time of MoM >>>> thanos through confirmed power growth project to project. wanda is far above thor still.

na i was referring to when endgame thor also did a full lightning blast and it once again only charged the iron man suit.

thor was never once stated to have gotten more powerful lightning at the time of love and thunder and if it did improve just based on it being his “prime” it’s to an unconfirmed unquantifiable degree so saying “pre-prime thor couldn’t hurt thanos” doesn’t mean anything. all the quotes are primarily about physicality and the ones are aren’t don’t state any quantifiable growth and certainly not enough to suddenly let him harm superman.

@emmafrostxmen:

carol is only debatably above thanos. they’re portrayed as roughly equal more or less. so it actually looks like this: l&t thor > thanos ~ carol.

Fair I guess.

still several levels below wanda who is by the time of MoM >>>> thanos through confirmed power growth project to project. wanda is far above thor still.

She grew in hax but in power via TK I didn’t see an increase. She’s above them so massively due to hax.

na i was referring to when endgame thor also did a full lightning blast and it once again only charged the iron man suit.

It’s high-tech made to negate the power and simply absorb. That doesn’t change Thor’s lightning power feats(Sokovia, Ragnarok bolt etc). Tony was also oneshot by Mjolnir in that same battle.

thor was never once stated to have gotten more powerful lightning at the time of love and thunder and if it did improve just based on it being his “prime” it’s to an unconfirmed unquantifiable degree so saying “pre-prime thor couldn’t hurt thanos” doesn’t mean anything.

Fair point. He did get better AOE lightning tho.

all the quotes are primarily about physicality and the ones are aren’t don’t state any quantifiable growth and certainly not enough to suddenly let him harm superman.

Yeah but it would hurt Superman. Thanos is far more durable than Clark.

@nassergrant19: i didn’t see a big increase in thor either but you’re using statements so i did the same for wanda. it was stated she got more powerful in each of her appearances and it was stated that her power growth is directly proportional to where her life is at. she’s almost an entirely different character in MoM. a huge change equates to huge growth as per word of god.

tony getting one shot by mjolnir really isn’t relevant to his lightning. his tech is good but if thor’s lightning is capable of busting uru no earthly metal should be capable of conducting it, yet iron man does it easily.

thanos isn’t far more durable than clark. thanos has never tanked anything remotely comparable to a nuclear bomb.

@emmafrostxmen:

i didn’t see a big increase in thor either but you’re using statements so i did the same for wanda. it was stated she got more powerful in each of her appearances and it was stated that her power growth is directly proportional to where her life is at. she’s almost an entirely different character in MoM. a huge change equates to huge growth as per word of god.

Okay, I wouldn’t say it’s massive but she is above. However with Avengers coming out I think things will be shaken up when Thor unlocks his potential. We do know they are the two most powerful Avengers tho.

tony getting one shot by mjolnir really isn’t relevant to his lightning. his tech is good but if thor’s lightning is capable of busting uru no earthly metal should be capable of conducting it, yet iron man does it easily.

I mean Tony is a genius, so renowned even Thanos knew him. He created time travel to circumvent a universal snap from a mystical glove. His tech certainly would be able to handle things above his pay grade.

thanos isn’t far more durable than clark. thanos has never tanked anything remotely comparable to a nuclear bomb.

I mean Thanos could consistently tank City level lightning and survive the IG snap. Those are superior to Clark’s durability.

@nassergrant19: What Sokovia feat is being referenced here?