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#1 Edited by Pheonix of the white throne (279 posts) - - Show Bio

MORALS APPLY 

 
 
 
VS 

 
 
 
 
BOTH LADIES ARE AT FULL POWER BUT  

SCARLET WITCH- CANT JUST ZAP ZATANNA OUT OF EXSTINCE 
 
ZATANNA- CAN JUST SAY "HCTIW TELRACS ENOG EB"
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#2 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8935 posts) - - Show Bio

Zatanna FTW.

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#3 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8935 posts) - - Show Bio

She's been trained by Fate at some points, knows numerous spells to mind-rape, put people under mental lock down, is highly versatile and has shown to be able to stand with the best of the JLA. She may not be doctor Fate but she is a truly powerful sorceress. Wanda, while not a slouch is not that great as far as Marvel sorcerers go.

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#4 Posted by EpitomeofCool (2806 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach said:
" Zatanna FTW. "

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#5 Posted by Zoom (14751 posts) - - Show Bio

Battle of the two most incompetant magicians in comics. 
 
In one corner we have Wanda "depower only minor characters" Maximoff.  In the other we have Zatanna "owned by Green Arrow's sidekick" Zatara. 
  
Everyone loses.
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#6 Posted by Silver2467 (16759 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach said:
" Zatanna FTW. "
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#7 Posted by OldIdiotAccount (4910 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach said:
" Zatanna FTW. "
@Crom-Cruach said:
" She's been trained by Fate at some points, knows numerous spells to mind-rape, put people under mental lock down, is highly versatile and has shown to be able to stand with the best of the JLA. She may not be doctor Fate but she is a truly powerful sorceress. Wanda, while not a slouch is not that great as far as Marvel sorcerers go. "
@EpitomeofCool said:
" @Crom-Cruach said:
" Zatanna FTW. "
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@Silver2467 said:
" @Crom-Cruach said:
" Zatanna FTW. "
"
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#8 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9444 posts) - - Show Bio

are both in full power? 
 
if they are, then Scarlet Witch blinks and Zatanna is erased from existence..

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#9 Posted by Cherry Bomb (3295 posts) - - Show Bio

Zatanna ...
people can say what they want about Scarlet Witch, but at the end of the day ....
1) Scarlet Witch can't control her powers,  not as quickly as Zatanna can cast a spell anyway.
2) we've not seen enough of SW to judge what 'exactly' she can do with her reality manipulation.

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#10 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9444 posts) - - Show Bio
@Cherry Bomb: the Scarlet Witch's lack of control with her powers is both her greatest advantage and weakness.. Wanda has performed feats Zatanna can only dream of.. if the time come that Zatana can re-write reality and destroy and re-create the Ominverse in a blink of an eye, then i might reconsider.. 

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#11 Posted by Cherry Bomb (3295 posts) - - Show Bio
@lord_oraculous016:  SW was under emotional manipulation and distress, which is why that spell happened. If morals apply, then that probably wouldn't happen. 
 
What's stopping Zatanna from saying:  ecnelis , Which can be said a lot quicker than "No More Zatanna". Saying Wanda has "performed feats"   is kinda over-exaggerating isn't it? she's peformed a 'feat' but not multiple of them.
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#12 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9444 posts) - - Show Bio
@Cherry Bomb:  true.. but if we would consider them at their fullest, then we would assume both are in their most powerful incarnations but with morals applied.. and morals doesn't change the fact that Wanda is light year ahead Z in the powers department.. 
 
and contrary to popular beliefs, Wanda doesn't need to speak for her to cast her hex.. she only needs to think and that thought would become reality.. like i said before, she could erase Z from existence in a blink of an eye and faster than a stray thought.. 
 
and yes, SW has several "feats" to show.. and each of them is far beyond what Z can do..  

  • Altered reality itself beyond recognition
  • Plucked Dormammu from the his own realm (while she was sleeping) just to stop the advances of Doctor Strange
  • Summoned 16 million souls from the realm of Death at a whim
  • Endowed Genis Vell with so much power that he begins to blink the universe itself in and out
  • The Shadow King was able to return to reality
  • The rebirth of Onslaught
  • The resurrection of Mad Jim Jaspers
  • The depowerment of over 99% of the Mutant Population
  • The unleash of the catastrophic Chaos Wave
  • The destruction and re-creation of the entire Omniverse
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    #13 Posted by mrtrickster (2986 posts) - - Show Bio

    maybe redhead could beat zatanna 
    oh wait......................she can't

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    #14 Posted by AMS (1356 posts) - - Show Bio
    @lord_oraculous016: 
     
    HOM Wanda and Scarlet Witch Wanda are two different beasts.

     
    Thats like me deciding one day to argue Superman Primes feats are Superboy Primes feats, but I wouldn't do it because I realise the difference.
     

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    #15 Posted by Renee (10398 posts) - - Show Bio
    @Crom-Cruach said:
    " Zatanna FTW. "
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    #16 Posted by Skaddix (3111 posts) - - Show Bio
    @AMS: Not really HOM Wanda is Scarlet Witch Wanda, they are the same person. Superboy Prime is not the same character as Superman. At fullpower Wanda is HOM mode which makes this an absolute stomp.
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    #17 Posted by AMS (1356 posts) - - Show Bio
    @Skaddix: 
     

     
     

     What comics have you been reading?
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    #18 Posted by Belladonna (12084 posts) - - Show Bio

    ......... Scarlet Witch

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    #19 Posted by inferiorego (25734 posts) - - Show Bio

     ignore comment, fixing threads

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    #20 Posted by FinalStar86 (8649 posts) - - Show Bio
    @lord_oraculous016 said:
    " @Cherry Bomb: the Scarlet Witch's lack of control with her powers is both her greatest advantage and weakness.. Wanda has performed feats Zatanna can only dream of.. if the time come that Zatana can re-write reality and destroy and re-create the Ominverse in a blink of an eye, then i might reconsider.. 


    Wanda can't re create the omniverse either.
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    #21 Posted by FinalStar86 (8649 posts) - - Show Bio
    @lord_oraculous016 said:
    " @Cherry Bomb:  true.. but if we would consider them at their fullest, then we would assume both are in their most powerful incarnations but with morals applied.. and morals doesn't change the fact that Wanda is light year ahead Z in the powers department.. 
     
    and contrary to popular beliefs, Wanda doesn't need to speak for her to cast her hex.. she only needs to think and that thought would become reality.. like i said before, she could erase Z from existence in a blink of an eye and faster than a stray thought.. 
     
    and yes, SW has several "feats" to show.. and each of them is far beyond what Z can do..  

  • Altered reality itself beyond recognition
  • Plucked Dormammu from the his own realm (while she was sleeping) just to stop the advances of Doctor Strange
  • Summoned 16 million souls from the realm of Death at a whim
  • Endowed Genis Vell with so much power that he begins to blink the universe itself in and out
  • The Shadow King was able to return to reality
  • The rebirth of Onslaught
  • The resurrection of Mad Jim Jaspers
  • The depowerment of over 99% of the Mutant Population
  • The unleash of the catastrophic Chaos Wave
  • The destruction and re-creation of the entire Omniverse
  • "
    The Chaos Wave did two out of these 3, and she did the other one while having a nervous breakdown.  Zatanna probably couldn't match Wanda's raw power but she has too much versatility and can shut down Wanda's brain before she can make a move.
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    #22 Posted by Belladonna (12084 posts) - - Show Bio
    @FinalStar86 said:
    " @lord_oraculous016 said:
    " @Cherry Bomb:  true.. but if we would consider them at their fullest, then we would assume both are in their most powerful incarnations but with morals applied.. and morals doesn't change the fact that Wanda is light year ahead Z in the powers department.. 
     
    and contrary to popular beliefs, Wanda doesn't need to speak for her to cast her hex.. she only needs to think and that thought would become reality.. like i said before, she could erase Z from existence in a blink of an eye and faster than a stray thought.. 
     
    and yes, SW has several "feats" to show.. and each of them is far beyond what Z can do..  

  • Altered reality itself beyond recognition
  • Plucked Dormammu from the his own realm (while she was sleeping) just to stop the advances of Doctor Strange
  • Summoned 16 million souls from the realm of Death at a whim
  • Endowed Genis Vell with so much power that he begins to blink the universe itself in and out
  • The Shadow King was able to return to reality
  • The rebirth of Onslaught
  • The resurrection of Mad Jim Jaspers
  • The depowerment of over 99% of the Mutant Population
  • The unleash of the catastrophic Chaos Wave
  • The destruction and re-creation of the entire Omniverse
  • "
    The Chaos Wave did two out of these 3, and she did the other one while having a nervous breakdown.  Zatanna probably couldn't match Wanda's raw power but she has too much versatility and can shut down Wanda's brain before she can make a move. "
    Zatanna needs physical contact to use her mind altering abilities.
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    #23 Posted by Renee (10398 posts) - - Show Bio
    @Charmix said:
    " @FinalStar86 said:
    " @lord_oraculous016 said:
    " @Cherry Bomb:  true.. but if we would consider them at their fullest, then we would assume both are in their most powerful incarnations but with morals applied.. and morals doesn't change the fact that Wanda is light year ahead Z in the powers department.. 
     
    and contrary to popular beliefs, Wanda doesn't need to speak for her to cast her hex.. she only needs to think and that thought would become reality.. like i said before, she could erase Z from existence in a blink of an eye and faster than a stray thought.. 
     
    and yes, SW has several "feats" to show.. and each of them is far beyond what Z can do..  

  • Altered reality itself beyond recognition
  • Plucked Dormammu from the his own realm (while she was sleeping) just to stop the advances of Doctor Strange
  • Summoned 16 million souls from the realm of Death at a whim
  • Endowed Genis Vell with so much power that he begins to blink the universe itself in and out
  • The Shadow King was able to return to reality
  • The rebirth of Onslaught
  • The resurrection of Mad Jim Jaspers
  • The depowerment of over 99% of the Mutant Population
  • The unleash of the catastrophic Chaos Wave
  • The destruction and re-creation of the entire Omniverse
  • "
    The Chaos Wave did two out of these 3, and she did the other one while having a nervous breakdown.  Zatanna probably couldn't match Wanda's raw power but she has too much versatility and can shut down Wanda's brain before she can make a move. "
    Zatanna needs physical contact to use her mind altering abilities. "
    No she doesn't. For example, when she did it to Wizzard.
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    #24 Posted by Hebatary (103 posts) - - Show Bio

     
     

     ZANTANNA'S POWER...... IT'S OVER 9 TRILLIOOOOOON!!!!! SHE WILL KILL SCARLET WITCH WITH ONE THOUGHT! BUT ZANTANNA IS STILL NO MATCH FOR ME!
     ZANTANNA'S POWER...... IT'S OVER 9 TRILLIOOOOOON!!!!! SHE WILL KILL SCARLET WITCH WITH ONE THOUGHT! BUT ZANTANNA IS STILL NO MATCH FOR ME!
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    #25 Posted by Belladonna (12084 posts) - - Show Bio
    @Renee said:
    " @Charmix said:
    " @FinalStar86 said:
    " @lord_oraculous016 said:
    " @Cherry Bomb:  true.. but if we would consider them at their fullest, then we would assume both are in their most powerful incarnations but with morals applied.. and morals doesn't change the fact that Wanda is light year ahead Z in the powers department.. 
     
    and contrary to popular beliefs, Wanda doesn't need to speak for her to cast her hex.. she only needs to think and that thought would become reality.. like i said before, she could erase Z from existence in a blink of an eye and faster than a stray thought.. 
     
    and yes, SW has several "feats" to show.. and each of them is far beyond what Z can do..  

  • Altered reality itself beyond recognition
  • Plucked Dormammu from the his own realm (while she was sleeping) just to stop the advances of Doctor Strange
  • Summoned 16 million souls from the realm of Death at a whim
  • Endowed Genis Vell with so much power that he begins to blink the universe itself in and out
  • The Shadow King was able to return to reality
  • The rebirth of Onslaught
  • The resurrection of Mad Jim Jaspers
  • The depowerment of over 99% of the Mutant Population
  • The unleash of the catastrophic Chaos Wave
  • The destruction and re-creation of the entire Omniverse
  • "
    The Chaos Wave did two out of these 3, and she did the other one while having a nervous breakdown.  Zatanna probably couldn't match Wanda's raw power but she has too much versatility and can shut down Wanda's brain before she can make a move. "
    Zatanna needs physical contact to use her mind altering abilities. "
    No she doesn't. For example, when she did it to Wizzard. "
    Well during I think Identity Crisis, she had to touch their head to alter their minds, if so then she would of stop Dr. Light from going on a rampage instead of Green Lantern doing so.
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    #26 Posted by FinalStar86 (8649 posts) - - Show Bio
    @Charmix: She isn't altering their her mind, she is literally melting the organic part of Wanda's brain
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    #27 Posted by Cats (661 posts) - - Show Bio

    Zatanna, after a decent fight.

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    #28 Posted by Aqua11500 (2696 posts) - - Show Bio

    I'm going with the witch.

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    #29 Posted by Skaddix (3111 posts) - - Show Bio

    I think we all know Wanda's greatest feats, so what does Zatanna have to compete because I have read nothing to suggest that Z has the power to stand against Wanda.

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    #30 Edited by lord_oraculous016 (9444 posts) - - Show Bio
    @FinalStar86 said:

    " @lord_oraculous016 said:

    " @Cherry Bomb: the Scarlet Witch's lack of control with her powers is both her greatest advantage and weakness.. Wanda has performed feats Zatanna can only dream of.. if the time come that Zatana can re-write reality and destroy and re-create the Ominverse in a blink of an eye, then i might reconsider.. 


    Wanda can't re create the omniverse either. "
    i think i have explained this part during most of our debate before.. there are panel evidences and actual feats to back up this fact..  
     

    " @lord_oraculous016 said:

    " @Cherry Bomb:  true.. but if we would consider them at their fullest, then we would assume both are in their most powerful incarnations but with morals applied.. and morals doesn't change the fact that Wanda is light year ahead Z in the powers department.. 
     
    and contrary to popular beliefs, Wanda doesn't need to speak for her to cast her hex.. she only needs to think and that thought would become reality.. like i said before, she could erase Z from existence in a blink of an eye and faster than a stray thought.. 
     
    and yes, SW has several "feats" to show.. and each of them is far beyond what Z can do..  

    Altered reality itself beyond recognition Plucked Dormammu from the his own realm (while she was sleeping) just to stop the advances of Doctor Strange Summoned 16 million souls from the realm of Death at a whim Endowed Genis Vell with so much power that he begins to blink the universe itself in and out The Shadow King was able to return to reality The rebirth of Onslaught The resurrection of Mad Jim JaspersThe depowerment of over 99% of the Mutant Population The unleash of the catastrophic Chaos Wave The destruction and re-creation of the entire Omniverse
    "
    The Chaos Wave did two out of these 3, and she did the other one while having a nervous breakdown.  Zatanna probably couldn't match Wanda's raw power but she has too much versatility and can shut down Wanda's brain before she can make a move. "
    it was been proven that even the combined efforts of the Sorcerer Supreme with the aid of the Eye of Agamotto and the most powerful psychic mind cannot hold Wanda's powers for long.. i do admit Z has more versatility.. but Wanda can that do against someone who can erase from existence in a blink of an eye? plus i have already said that Wanda's nervous breakdown has nothing to do with her power to alter reality.. whether she id or did not have a nervous breakdown, she still has the power to warp reality at will.. 
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    #31 Posted by Lance Bastro (5167 posts) - - Show Bio

    wanda's power are like an unpredictable version of white crown phoenix. where as white crown does with thought, wanda's is more like throwing dice. but in any circumstance zantanna has not the raw power to out wit wanda. though she is more controlled with her powers the best she could do is defend herself and try to assassinate wanda when wanda is unaware. because... if the dice is rolled right, zantanna will no longer exist.

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    #32 Posted by FinalStar86 (8649 posts) - - Show Bio
    @lord_oraculous016 said:
    " @FinalStar86 said:

    " @lord_oraculous016 said:

    " @Cherry Bomb: the Scarlet Witch's lack of control with her powers is both her greatest advantage and weakness.. Wanda has performed feats Zatanna can only dream of.. if the time come that Zatana can re-write reality and destroy and re-create the Ominverse in a blink of an eye, then i might reconsider.. 


    Wanda can't re create the omniverse either. "
    i think i have explained this part during most of our debate before.. there are panel evidences and actual feats to back up this fact..  
     

    " @lord_oraculous016 said:

    " @Cherry Bomb:  true.. but if we would consider them at their fullest, then we would assume both are in their most powerful incarnations but with morals applied.. and morals doesn't change the fact that Wanda is light year ahead Z in the powers department.. 
     
    and contrary to popular beliefs, Wanda doesn't need to speak for her to cast her hex.. she only needs to think and that thought would become reality.. like i said before, she could erase Z from existence in a blink of an eye and faster than a stray thought.. 
     
    and yes, SW has several "feats" to show.. and each of them is far beyond what Z can do..  

    Altered reality itself beyond recognition Plucked Dormammu from the his own realm (while she was sleeping) just to stop the advances of Doctor Strange Summoned 16 million souls from the realm of Death at a whim Endowed Genis Vell with so much power that he begins to blink the universe itself in and out The Shadow King was able to return to reality The rebirth of Onslaught The resurrection of Mad Jim JaspersThe depowerment of over 99% of the Mutant Population The unleash of the catastrophic Chaos Wave The destruction and re-creation of the entire Omniverse
    "
    The Chaos Wave did two out of these 3, and she did the other one while having a nervous breakdown.  Zatanna probably couldn't match Wanda's raw power but she has too much versatility and can shut down Wanda's brain before she can make a move. "
    it was been proven that even the combined efforts of the Sorcerer Supreme with the aid of the Eye of Agamotto and the most powerful psychic mind cannot hold Wanda's powers for long.. i do admit Z has more versatility.. but Wanda can that do against someone who can erase from existence in a blink of an eye? plus i have already said that Wanda's nervous breakdown has nothing to do with her power to alter reality.. whether she id or did not have a nervous breakdown, she still has the power to warp reality at will..  "
    Not really, out of all the scans you showed, only one of them even remotely stated her doing something beyond one universe. 
     
    When has Wanda ever erased someone in the blink of an eye?  Her nervous breakdown had a lot to do with what she did to the mutant race, she never did anything remotely close to that pre HOM. 
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    #33 Posted by Belladonna (12084 posts) - - Show Bio
    @FinalStar86 said:
    " @Charmix: She isn't altering their her mind, she is literally melting the organic part of Wanda's brain "
    whats the difference? melting or controlling, it involves altering the brain in a way, yours was more deadly
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    #34 Posted by Lance Bastro (5167 posts) - - Show Bio

     wanda's power are like an unpredictable version of white crown phoenix. where as white crown does with thought, wanda's is more like throwing dice. but in any circumstance zantanna has not the raw power to out wit wanda. though she is more controlled with her powers the best she could do is defend herself and try to assassinate wanda when wanda is unaware. because... if the dice is rolled right, zantanna will no longer exist.    

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    #35 Posted by AtPhantom (14434 posts) - - Show Bio
    @Lance Bastro said:
    "  wanda's power are like an unpredictable version of white crown phoenix. "
    Silly unfounded claim is silly. And unfounded.
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    #36 Posted by Static Shock (53032 posts) - - Show Bio

    LOL

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    #37 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9444 posts) - - Show Bio
    @FinalStar86: ... 
     

    Not really, out of all the scans you showed, only one of them even remotely stated her doing something beyond one universe.       

    i beg to disagree.. here are the scans to prove my claims..  
     
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    if you can see, Wanda affected different realities as well.. countless universes were affected by her spell as all mutants in all existing realities started to become extinct.. that is clearly way beyond universal scale.. 
     

    When has Wanda ever erased someone in the blink of an eye?  Her nervous breakdown had a lot to do with what she did to the mutant race, she never did anything remotely close to that pre HOM.     

    i believe that statement came from Emma Frost..    

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    and if you are unsatisfied with mere statements, then well, she erased Hawkeye from existence.. 
     
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    it also must be cleared that Wanda's nervous breakdown is not what caused her powers to increase, but rather, it was her growing powers which has caused her nervous breakdown.. very different things.. 
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    #38 Posted by FinalStar86 (8649 posts) - - Show Bio
    @lord_oraculous016:  In that instance with Beast, that could of been a result of the Chaos Wave tearing apart the omniverse and reshaping everything, and not Wanda's own power.
     
    Doesn't matter, she this while having a nervous breakdown. 
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    #39 Posted by sa5m (2381 posts) - - Show Bio

    zatanna will win she has more experiene and more powerful..
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    #40 Posted by Skaddix (3111 posts) - - Show Bio
    @sa5m said:
    " zatanna will win she has more experiene and more powerful.. "
    Based on what feats does Zatanna have more power?
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    #41 Posted by Belladonna (12084 posts) - - Show Bio

    Wanda wins, she can erase Zatanna before she can utter a word, Zatanna has failed to utter words in the past, such as when Death Stroke attacked her before she can use her freeze spell.

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    #42 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9444 posts) - - Show Bio
    @FinalStar86: ... 
     

    In that instance with Beast, that could of been a result of the Chaos Wave tearing apart the omniverse and reshaping everything, and not Wanda's own power.     

    unfortunately not.. Wanda specifically said "NO MORE MUTANTS".. that spell cascade throughout creation unto different realities.. as you said so before, the Chaos Wave resulted when Wanda repeatedly altered reality causing a tear in the fabric of time and space leading to the unleash of the Chaos Wave.. the Chaos Wave was unleashed right after Wanda altered reality for the last time when she uttered her last three words.. so by virtue of logic, her spell of "No MORE MUTANTS" came into effectivity when even before the release of the Chaos Wave.. the decimation of the entire mutant race is associated with Wanda Maximoff, that is a fact.. 
     

    Doesn't matter, she this while having a nervous breakdown.     

    you are saying this as if Wanda needs to be in a constant nervous breakdown to possess such power..  remember, she was calm and sane when she created the HOM.. her powers does not lie of her mental state, but rather her mental state lies in the power she holds within.. 
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    #43 Posted by FinalStar86 (8649 posts) - - Show Bio
    @lord_oraculous016 said:
    " @FinalStar86: ... 
     

    In that instance with Beast, that could of been a result of the Chaos Wave tearing apart the omniverse and reshaping everything, and not Wanda's own power.     

    unfortunately not.. Wanda specifically said "NO MORE MUTANTS".. that spell cascade throughout creation unto different realities.. as you said so before, the Chaos Wave resulted when Wanda repeatedly altered reality causing a tear in the fabric of time and space leading to the unleash of the Chaos Wave.. the Chaos Wave was unleashed right after Wanda altered reality for the last time when she uttered her last three words.. so by virtue of logic, her spell of "No MORE MUTANTS" came into effectivity when even before the release of the Chaos Wave.. the decimation of the entire mutant race is associated with Wanda Maximoff, that is a fact.. 
     

    Doesn't matter, she this while having a nervous breakdown.     

    you are saying this as if Wanda needs to be in a constant nervous breakdown to possess such power..  remember, she was calm and sane when she created the HOM.. her powers does not lie of her mental state, but rather her mental state lies in the power she holds within..  "
    I think you have it mixed up, the Chaos Wave was what tore the fabric of time and space apart, this was confirmed in Die by the Sword when Mad Jim Jaspers was brought back to life, unless your telling me that reality was torn apart by Wanda, then torn apart again, then put back into place?  I don't think so, reality was torn apart once and that was because of the Chaos Wave, in fact I'm starting to believe that the creation of HOM was because of the Chaos Wave also, never because of Wanda's own power.
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    #44 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9444 posts) - - Show Bio
    @FinalStar86: ... 
     

    I think you have it mixed up, the Chaos Wave was what tore the fabric of time and space apart, this was confirmed in Die by the Sword when Mad Jim Jaspers was brought back to life, unless your telling me that reality was torn apart by Wanda, then torn apart again, then put back into place?  I don't think so, reality was torn apart once and that was because of the Chaos Wave, in fact I'm starting to believe that the creation of HOM was because of the Chaos Wave also, never because of Wanda's own power.     

    apparently not.. if can remember, the Chaos Wave first appeared during the HOM: Uncanny X-Men #1.. according to Roma, a reality alteration from Earth 616 breached the walls of causality causing a trans-temporal tsunami.. the HOM has been done even before the release of the Chaos Wave.. and yes, Wanda did in-fact tore up the reality of Earth 616 and re-create back..   
     
    this is what happened when Wanda first re-created the Universe.. 
       

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    the entire universe was engulfed in a massive explosion-like light.. the same thing happened when Wanda re-created the universe for the last time.. 


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    and this is what's really happening beneath all that light according to HOM: Exiles #7

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    that is the same reason why Doctor Strange said that it was impossible to tell where true reality ends and her alteration of it begins.. for what she did didn't just changed the landscape of reality, it re-created the landscape of reality beyond recognition.. 
     

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    i'm sorry to say this, but i find it ridiculous how your'e trying to this credit Wanda by saying she is not the cause of HOM and the decimination of the entire mutant race when Marvel itself credits her for it.. as for the Chaos Wave, i still think its an indirect form of her power since like what i have before, no other reality warper has managed to unleash it but her.. it must be because of the way she re-wrote reality, by the use of her Chaos Magic.. nevertheless, Wanda did caused the decimination of the entire mutant race, a "curse" which reached throughout all existing realities.. and that is a fact my friend..   
      

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    ^_^ 
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    #45 Posted by Belladonna (12084 posts) - - Show Bio

    I have scans of how her father describes her as being extremely powerful ;P

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    #46 Posted by FinalStar86 (8649 posts) - - Show Bio
    @lord_oraculous016: You don't have to keep showing the same scans again, I've seen them already.  What's ridiculous is someone trying to credit Wanda for something she didn't directly do, you keep trying to call her an omniversal reality warper when she never did this, she may have unleashed it but I already explained that the Chaos Wave was something written specifically for her.  
    You can call her a universal reality warper [and that;s being EXTREMELY generous]  but that's it, crediting her with warping the omniverse and bringing MJJ back to life is complete and utter Bull$hit.
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    #47 Posted by Renee (10398 posts) - - Show Bio
    @Charmix said:
    " Wanda wins, she can erase Zatanna before she can utter a word, Zatanna has failed to utter words in the past, such as when Death Stroke attacked her before she can use her freeze spell. "
    Didn't Deathstroke surprise attack her?
     
    Zatanna wins, she has been able to cast spells in the past without speaking. For example, when she stopped Despero, saved the League and the teleported (without speaking) away. Besides that, her spells are instantaneous and fast enough to stop already fired bullets coming her way. Also the OP stats that they are at full power, she may not have to speak at all.  
     
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    #48 Posted by theiconic (922 posts) - - Show Bio

    scarlett witch  curb stomps  the  bad hatter

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    #49 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9444 posts) - - Show Bio
    @FinalStar86: ... 
     
    but still, you cannot deny the fact that she affected alternate realities with her "spell".. that is a fact you must admit my friend.. that is why you cannot simply categorize her as a universal power.. for she has feats to back up claiming that she did in-fact affected more that just one universe.. 
     
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    Scarlet Witch owns Zatanna big time it ain't even funny..  
      

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    #50 Posted by Ferro Vida (34317 posts) - - Show Bio

    Zatanna easily.