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Wanda Maxinoff is banned from using her reality warping powers.

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#3  Edited By homhorror

Don't me flagged, lol

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???????? -_- ????? Julibee could beat the grudge, Dazzler could beat the grudge, Secret Squirrel could beat the grudge, Inspector Gadget with Penny & Brains help could beat the grudge...you see where I am going with this?

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#5  Edited By homhorror

No

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So she watches the video and when the grudge comes what will wanda do?

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@those_eyes said:

So she watches the video and when the grudge comes what will wanda do?

Wave the Grudge out of existence. Maybe wash her hair first..

Edit: Saw that she can't use her reality warping.. Grudge maybe able to win.

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If Wanda can only use her probability powers, the Grudge ghost wins. It has been shown to

-Teleport

-Make countless duplicates of itself

-Make people disappear entirely

-Travel through time

-Cause people to become immobilized with fear

-Possess humans

-Cause devastating hallucinations

-Cause OTHER ghosts to appear and use them to fight

-Be resistant, if not all together immune to physical trauma etc

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Might actually go with Grudge. This is not a stomp in favor of Wanda like everyone is suggesting and this is coming from a big Wanda fan.

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I lol'd....

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@lukehero said:

???????? -_- ????? Julibee could beat the grudge, Dazzler could beat the grudge, Secret Squirrel could beat the grudge, Inspector Gadget with Penny & Brains help could beat the grudge...you see where I am going with this?

Yeah you're underestimating the Grudge...

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If Wanda can only use her probability powers, the Grudge ghost wins. It has been shown to

-Teleport

-Make countless duplicates of itself

-Make people disappear entirely

-Travel through time

-Cause people to become immobilized with fear

-Possess humans

-Cause devastating hallucinations

-Cause OTHER ghosts to appear and use them to fight

-Be resistant, if not all together immune to physical trauma etc

And also this.

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@the_stegman: @those_eyes: Watching a video is a the ring, The grudge is walking into the house then you are cursed and see visions....

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???????? -_- ????? Julibee could beat the grudge, Dazzler could beat the grudge, Secret Squirrel could beat the grudge, Inspector Gadget with Penny & Brains help could beat the grudge...you see where I am going with this?

Yeah you're underestimating the Grudge...

You're overestimating the Grudge...all you have to do is burn down the house...Game Over. Sarah Micheal Gellar's character was freak out and so that made her unable to get the job done, same thing goes for the detective. Any being from a weird strange type of universe, would see the visions that come with the curse & burn the house down.---Wanda is also a living focal point for the earth's magic. Her sorcerous training with Agatha Harkness is separate from her mutant ability of probability (science.--Via Comic Vine wiki

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@lukehero said:

@the_stegman: @those_eyes: Watching a video is a the ring, The grudge is walking into the house then you are cursed and see visions....

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@lukehero said:

???????? -_- ????? Julibee could beat the grudge, Dazzler could beat the grudge, Secret Squirrel could beat the grudge, Inspector Gadget with Penny & Brains help could beat the grudge...you see where I am going with this?

Yeah you're underestimating the Grudge...

You're overestimating the Grudge...all you have to do is burn down the house...Game Over. Sarah Micheal Gellar's character was freak out and so that made her unable to get the job done, same thing goes for the detective. Any being from a weird strange type of universe, would see the visions that come with the curse & burn the house down.---Wanda is also a living focal point for the earth's magic. Her sorcerous training with Agatha Harkness is separate from her mutant ability of probability (science.--Via Comic Vine wiki

I know what the Ring is, I'm talking about the Grudge, and you don't have to go in the house to be affected by it's curse. The whole premise of the Grudge is that it's curse spreads with its rage. People who never even stepped foot in the house can still die simply by coming in contact with someone who DID go in, but that's not important since the two (Kayako and Wanda) are being forced to fight.

As for burning the house down, that doesn't work, like I said, the curse spreads, the house has been burned before, and Kayako still exists. There has been no actual way to date to defeat her. However, I'm rusty on Wanda's abilities. the OP says no reality warping, so what magical feats does she possess that doesn't tie in to reality warping?

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That's the Ring. I'm pretty sure Wanda can finger out a spell to cast upon the evil Onryo.

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@the_stegman:

You forget that Wanda is a gypsy, she is gonna put a curse on the grudge girl :P

Just watch Drag Me to Hell. The moral of the story, don't mess with gypsies.

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Scan Above She is fighting Dormamu in his own dimension, WAY before house of M level ever kick in. She can handle a ghost that's never really had anyone with powers fight back.

@the_stegman: No another guy thought it was the ring, I was taking to him on that part....I'm rusty on the movies, forgot about the curse spreading to non house people. I just knowWanda was trained as a sorcerous and has lots of magic powers. Also the Grudge has never been attacked by people with actual powers, and only faces normal humans. She can use magic, without going off the deep into her HOM levels.

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So she watches the video and when the grudge comes what will wanda do?

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#21  Edited By BlessedbyHorus

@lukehero said:

@the_stegman: @those_eyes: Watching a video is a the ring, The grudge is walking into the house then you are cursed and see visions....

@king_stranglehold_da_first said:

@lukehero said:

???????? -_- ????? Julibee could beat the grudge, Dazzler could beat the grudge, Secret Squirrel could beat the grudge, Inspector Gadget with Penny & Brains help could beat the grudge...you see where I am going with this?

Yeah you're underestimating the Grudge...

You're overestimating the Grudge...all you have to do is burn down the house...Game Over. Sarah Micheal Gellar's character was freak out and so that made her unable to get the job done, same thing goes for the detective. Any being from a weird strange type of universe, would see the visions that come with the curse & burn the house down.---Wanda is also a living focal point for the earth's magic. Her sorcerous training with Agatha Harkness is separate from her mutant ability of probability (science.--Via Comic Vine wiki

No I'm actually not overestimating the Grudge. And burning down the house doesn't do anything. Haven't you seen Grudge 2? The Curse spreads and even capable of spreading from country to country. And also I'm aware of Wanda's abilities.

And also considering that there's no prep, its going to be even more difficult for Wanda.

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@king_stranglehold_da_first: Yes...I made a mistake on that and I apologize for my foolish statements. I still stand by the idea that Wanda would stomp the grudge with her other powers as she was able to hold her vs Dormamu in his own dimension.

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I think Wanda has a chance

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Kayako would solo. Too powerful.

Valak may have some mediocre telekinesis abilities, possessions, teleportation and can indirectly summon nature events such as lightning and storms, but she is no match for Kayako which is or had become an embodiment of rage.

Kayako's abilities span from:

-Possessions

-Powerful Telekinesis

-Reality Warping

-Limbo Summoning

-Time Traveling from the future or the past

-Has metahuman strength when manifested as a physical being

-Teleportation

-Telepathy

-Semi-omnipresent depending on who is cursed, she can be anywhere in the globe simultaneously (ie: Japan and U.S at one given time... In the Ju-On Series, she is haunting multiple people all at once in different time lines from present to past to future)

Kayako unlike Valak, doesn't seem to have a domain that she is limited to reside. She can exist in the astral plane, 3rd dimensional plane and so on depending on where her target tries to hide.

If anything, she would have the reality warping powers similar to Freddy Kruger without the dream. Kayako is not even a human soul but a manifestation of endless pain and hatred. That "emotion" takes the appearance of the entire Saeki family. So, the Grudge is Kayako, Takeo, Toshio and the Cat. The Grudge works to lure the victim in by the scouter Toshio and the Cat While Kayako chases after the victim to force them to feel her pain. When she catches them, she sends to Limbo where Takeo murders their soul, and then Kayako absorbs them into her creating a new Grudge that continuously spreads out to lure other victims for the Grudge to absorb (ie: Ju-On: White ghost and Black ghost who are victims of the Grudge)

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/kayako-the-grudge-and-sadako-the-ring-vs-bethesda-1954057/

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Kayako is a god tier reality warper you can give Scarlet Witch her H.O.M form and she would still be killed by Kayako.

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Kayako would be a huge threat in the 616 universe not even Dr Strange can win.

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Kayako neg diff

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Kayako destroys composite comic, Kayako is god tier reality warper.

Kayako's abilities span from:

-Possessions

-Powerful Telekinesis

-God tier Reality Warping

-Limbo Summoning

-Time Traveling from the future or the past

-Has metahuman strength when manifested as a physical being

-Teleportation

-Telepathy

-Semi-omnipresent depending on who is cursed, she can be anywhere in the globe simultaneously (ie: Japan and U.S at one given time... In the Ju-On Series, she is haunting multiple people all at once in different time lines from present to past to future)

Kayako destroys with zero effort. Not even Pre-Crisis Superman and Cosmic Armor Superman can hope to defeat Kayako kayako solo the list verse neg diff

If anything, she would have the reality warping powers similar to Freddy Kruger without the dream. Kayako is not even a human soul but a manifestation of endless pain and hatred. That "emotion" takes the appearance of the entire Saeki family. So, the Grudge is Kayako, Takeo, Toshio and the Cat. The Grudge works to lure the victim in by the scouter Toshio and the Cat While Kayako chases after the victim to force them to feel her pain. When she catches them, she sends to Limbo where Takeo murders their soul, and then Kayako absorbs them into her creating a new Grudge that continuously spreads out to lure other victims for the Grudge to absorb (ie: Ju-On: White ghost and Black ghost who are victims of the Grudge)

By the way, Valek seems to have several kinds of weaknesses. First, the demon can be contained and exorcised. Second, Valek is time-locked through the present. She can only flow in the linear timeline and ride with it

Kayako on the other hand, is non-linear with time and not locked in a specific time line.

During the 1st Ju-On movie, Kayako hunts down a young highschool girl in the present year of 2000.* Kayako and Family died a couple years before this time. As she hunts down the highschool girl who's father died before she was born, Kayako travels back into the early 1980's and begins to hunt down the girl's father. Kayako kills the father in the 1980's while at the same time is on the process of absorbing the girl from the year 2000. As the girl is about to die, she sees her father who is tormented by the Grudge, instantly knowing that her father died because of Kayako from the past despite the fact that Kayako herself was killed in the late 1990's.

During the rest of the 13 movies and series, Kayako and Family does their time-traveling multiple times throughout the series.

*Ju-On plays in a backwards sequence from end to beginning unlike the American Grudge Movie where it plays from beginning to end. That said, one watching the Jo-On series would understand that Kayako is cursing people from multiple timelines and compressing those timelines in singular moments.

In conclusion to this, the Grudge when confronted by Valek, will fight Valek in the present while at the same time, travel back in time to the origin of Valek to keep her contained the time Valek was subdued in hell.

Feats from a other battle but yeah she is god tier level. You would need someone like Dr fate or Dr strange or someone of higher tier to put her away or seal her. Physical damage won’t do 0 to her same goes for Sadako 💯

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#37  Edited By heiqn

I cannot accept this Wanda slander! Kayako is street tier at best!

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Kayako neg diff

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Scarlet witch wins beyond neg diff

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ZxxzZxaZx be putting in the work in this thread.

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The Zzz guy is still an icon.

On my opinion of the fight, Wanda negs no difficulty. Unless I can get some speed feats for this vengeful spirit, I am pretty certain even without reality warping, Wanda’s powers are uniquely fit to combat the Grudge.

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The Scarlet Witch Wins.

-Wanda cleanses the Spirit. Or put it's it into some little pocket dimension.

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I still find it curious that the biggest mismatches are from 7+ years ago. More surprising are folks arguing for Kayako.

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Wanda puts her in a jar, has a short laugh and then puts her on the shelf to the others.

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