Scarlet Witch VS Jean Grey(Phoenix)

Scarlet Witch Full power VS Jean Grey Full power with or without the Phoenix Force!
I think that either way Scarlet Witch would win.
Telepathy&Telekinesis VS Reality Manipulation.



Who Wins

Where was it ever stated that Wanda is the "Nexus Being of Magic"?

"Where was it ever stated that Wanda is the "Nexus Being of Magic"?"

Sheer power isn't everything.  SW has pretty consistently been portrayed as having little control over her capabilities (the House of M storyline being the main exception).  Indeed, if anything, Jean's realm (the mind) is exactly where SW has the least control, as evidenced by her repeated breakdowns and flimsy self-esteem.  If SW had Jean's level of control, then yeah, the Witch wins hands down.  But she doesn't, and never has.  Jean doesn't need to beat the Witch--she can get her to beat herself.

LMAO

If both were completely sane and were prepared to battle: SW=JG. SW<<<<<<<Phoenix Jean Grey

Jean Grey.

But Professor X shut down her mind(While in Genosha, Magneto asked Professor X to help Wanda but he refuses to do so. Instead, Xavier put Wanda in a coma.) but she was still able to change reality anyway into HOM., Xavier is the one of the most powerful telepaths (Or The Most Powerful) on the planet, so I don't think Jean's Telepathy would really make any difference(Even though it has been stated that she might be a more powerful telepath than him.) I still don't think jean would win.

How would she not win if she is arguably more powerful than Xavier? Your post contradicts itself. She did not change reality while in the coma.

Xavier attempted to shut down her mind but wasn't successful. He only weakened her but she was still able to change reality. What I'm saying is, if he is supposed to be the most powerful telepath then why couldn't he shut down her mind. If he could surpress Jean's powers then why couldn't he surpress Wanda's.... She is stronger that's why.

Lol. She is not stronger. But I lack the comic to properly shut you down right now. So you will just have to wait.

I'll go with Wanda. Her magic is only a piece of what makes her dangerous. Her probability manipulation has allowed her to take down characters like Ultron single handedly.

That's what I'm talking about! If he could surpress Jean's power when she was a child and she had telepathy herself, it might not had been fully developed or at her controll but it was still there. Her telepathy was at the time (When she was still a child)strong enough to detect Scott Summers miles away when Xavier couldn't. Wanda doesn't have telepathy so it should have been easier for him to shut down her powers because since she doesn't have telepathy Xavier didn't have to go through all that pyschic mess that he did with Jean to surpress her power. To rest my case I still go with Wanda!

LOL

Phoenix wins.

There are several aspect of Jean's powers that Wanda can not react to in split of a second. Jean can telepathically control/alter/destroy Wanda's mind as well as physically crush her bones at the same time. Granting that you said Jean is Phoenix here makes her more dangerous as Wanda can not possibly compete some thing cosmic. The Phoenix Force can not simply be contained or altered, even when it was tried to be manipulated by magic, it was able to resist it. Remember Rachel's gene is very much similar to her mom. 

Wanda =]
Jean Grey is very powerful, but Wanda has her hexes which can completely turn Jean's powers around.

This debate could go on until the end of time, on one hand you have Wanda, who without mental stability can be suggested to rewrite reality (as Doctor Strange showed Beast in X-Men: Endangered Species) and in HOM Jean Grey was non existant - which is strange because to me, wouldn't Jean have been what Scott would want most? - on the other hand you have the being that is life, death and everything in between. Yet, the Shi'ar can create a weapons to destroy the Phoenix Force, so one assumes that Wanda, given enough mental stability or given the right suggestion could wipe Jean Grey from existance, therefore leaving the Phoenix Force without a host, and free to be the Goddess it is. I mean, yes Jean could take her out whilst Wanda is concentrating on her hex/spell/magics whatever you wish to refer to them as, but if Wanda was able to bounce the Tp and TK back, away or simply have them not effect her, then yes Wanda would win. If you were to have the two of them stand on a stage and say 3 2 1 GO! then Jean Grey would win within seconds.

Did that make any sense?

This would be a bada$$ fight but I would go with Jean Grey. She has greater control of her power and with the Phoenix Force augmenting her powers, this would not be much of a fight. I think Wanda would have a better chance of winning if it were left to hand to hand combat (being by Captain America). I think then the dvantage would be hers. 

jean grey will win

i vote for jean grey because i thought that she's now one with the phoenix and the phoenix is very strong so don't hate me for saying me opinion

How does it prove she could not raise her?

Hmmm....frankly i dont care for this match mainly because they are two of my favs but i think if scarlet plays her cards right she could do a little something

jean

Hmm...I'ma going with Jean on this.

My girl, Jean, will win.   i   honestly don't  think  Wanda's hex magic can affect cosmic beings (which the Phoenix Force is).  If Wanda's reality manipulation power is really that powerful, then she would be able to solo beings like Galactus, Stranger, the Elders, or Celestials, but  i  don't  think she can do that.  And, further more,  i  don't  think any of those beings are more powerful than the Phoenix Force.

"Xavier attempted to shut down her mind but wasn't successful. He only weakened her but she was still able to change reality. What I'm saying is, if he is supposed to be the most powerful telepath then why couldn't he shut down her mind. If he could surpress Jean's powers then why couldn't he surpress Wanda's.... She is stronger that's why. "

" My girl, Jean, will win.   i   honestly don't  think  Wanda's hex magic can affect cosmic beings (which the Phoenix Force is).  If Wanda's reality manipulation power is really that powerful, then she would be able to solo beings like Galactus, Stranger, the Elders, or Celestials, but  i  don't  think she can do that.  And, further more,  i  don't  think any of those beings are more powerful than the Phoenix Force. "

" My girl, Jean, will win.   i   honestly don't  think  Wanda's hex magic can affect cosmic beings (which the Phoenix Force is).  If Wanda's reality manipulation power is really that powerful, then she would be able to solo beings like Galactus, Stranger, the Elders, or Celestials, but  i  don't  think she can do that.  And, further more,  i  don't  think any of those beings are more powerful than the Phoenix Force. "

" @TheWhitePrince said:

" @WindCloud said:

" My girl, Jean, will win.   i   honestly don't  think  Wanda's hex magic can affect cosmic beings (which the Phoenix Force is).  If Wanda's reality manipulation power is really that powerful, then she would be able to solo beings like Galactus, Stranger, the Elders, or Celestials, but  i  don't  think she can do that.  And, further more,  i  don't  think any of those beings are more powerful than the Phoenix Force. "

Beings such as Galactus, Stranger, the Elders and the Celestials, have powers far greater than the Phoenix Force, for them they require no host, and are immortal or nigh-immortal. Phoenix requires a host, since being bound tothe man who made it take the Phoenix form. It also can be killed and requires time to heal outside of reality. Its unfair to compare to two with Wanda's magic. And seeing as none of the forementioned are magical beings, its somewhat unfair to say she wouldnt last against them. Besides which none of them are Jean Grey / Phoenix.  "

Phoenix does not need a host most cosmic beings can't manifest without an M-body, Phoenix can, she uses a host or avatar because if she manifests in without them (like she can) she will doom all future life and prevent it from coming about. "

Phoenix stomps

Wanda wins Magneto's kids can beat Xaviers B*tches

"Wanda wins Magneto's kids can beat Xaviers B*tches "

" @WindCloud said:

" My girl, Jean, will win.   i   honestly don't  think  Wanda's hex magic can affect cosmic beings (which the Phoenix Force is).  If Wanda's reality manipulation power is really that powerful, then she would be able to solo beings like Galactus, Stranger, the Elders, or Celestials, but  i  don't  think she can do that.  And, further more,  i  don't  think any of those beings are more powerful than the Phoenix Force. "

Beings such as Galactus, Stranger, the Elders and the Celestials, have powers far greater than the Phoenix Force, for them they require no host, and are immortal or nigh-immortal. Phoenix requires a host, since being bound tothe man who made it take the Phoenix form. It also can be killed and requires time to heal outside of reality. Its unfair to compare to two with Wanda's magic. And seeing as none of the forementioned are magical beings, its somewhat unfair to say she wouldnt last against them. Besides which none of them are Jean Grey / Phoenix.  "

Jean is life incarnate... 
child of the universe... 
yada yada yada... 
 
She held the universe in her HANDS... there is little little maximoff can do... she is immune to reality manipulation... if she wasnt, the phoenix would have been affected by M day... 
 
AND WE ALL KNOW SHE WASNT 
 
the phoenix is THE OLDEST entity in the universe... some chick with mental problems and a shotgun of power cant match the phoenix's Big bang

I believe if Jean Grey didn't have the Phoenix Force, Scarlet Witch would most likely win.

phoenix wins even though wanda can warp reality phoenix is more powerful
 
wanda isnt fast enough to draw a hex phoenix is really fast
 
but both gals are pretty tough wanda is a very powerful and unpredictable character but phoenix still reigns supreme

Jean Grey wins
 
That trick Scarlet witch had mental problems and her powers went out of control, House of M was more of an excuse for Marvel to get rid of irrelevant characters. Realize this, if you are screwed in the head, you will do some "WTF" stuff. Jean Grey hasn't even gotten to crazy bitch status, I don't count her Phoenix hosting.

 it depends on wich are we talking about, there are a lot o versions of comics, cartoons, where they both are differents, like in the old times Jean was not the phoenix, she only became a temporary host to it, and she was very weak in tk, the phoenix was limited and had to rest everytime she teleported, and this , was the first, and original phoenix story, so Jean in the original, is not the always phoenix, and I trust in the original story, so for me wanda would win.
If we're talking about the new ones , where Jean is already born with the phoenix, and her tk is already stonger, so Jean could win, but some people do overestimate Jean, and exagerate on her capacities, I love her, and in x-men legends 1/2 , and in x-men evolution Jean is my favorite character, also in Mua 2 , and they could have done a playable Jean in the first, but I know she has limits, and is not invencible.

If we're talking about cartoons, in X-men evolution Jean was easily beaten by Wanda in the episode the Hex Factor, please, be more specific next time. ²