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#151 Posted by Cubey. (107 posts) - - Show Bio

Wrong, Wanda stomps hard.

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#152 Posted by FinalStar86 (8649 posts) - - Show Bio
@Cubey. said:
" Wrong, Wanda stomps hard. "
Amazing argument,
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#153 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9449 posts) - - Show Bio
@FinalStar86: ...   

He doesn't have to perform the feat to win here.  He doesn't have to recreate the universe, he could easily alter a point in the time stream and effect her through other means.   

Hal altering the time-stream is just the same as a temporal control of paradoxical events.. you are suggesting that by creating a form of butterfly effect such as doing something in the past to change the future.. remember, such thing has already happened in Marvel such as X-Men's Days of the Future Past..  
 

I explained this already, that Wanda altered reality and that time is an entirely different concept.  She never went back into the past and changed things to create the HOM continuity, she did it through warping reality to another.  Hal did the same thing, the only difference is he changed previous events to alter the present.         

are you suggesting that as reality powerful reality manipulator, Wanda doesn't have control over time? if you remember, having the power to warp reality enables you to reshape matter and energy, bend time and space, re-write the laws of physics and turn any thought into reality.. yes, she was never explicitly shown to travel back in time an alter circumstances there.. but if you would recall, she altered reality where the aspect of time is part of its entirety.. she changed history like Steve Rogers never being frozen in ice and reborn as Captain America, the Fantastic Four never surviving their space exploration and uncle Ben and Gwen Stacy were never killed plus countless more changes in history to suit the desires of beings who were subjected to her "hex"..  
 
how did she managed to do that? just by altering reality.. yes and no.. as you know, time itself is a concept applied to the physical reality.. an idea most of the time associated with the concept of motion.. when the Scarlet Witch altered reality, she also bend the law of time by changing the already existing history of many individuals.. remember, everything that has happened in HOM was not illusionary.. it really happened.. for a few days, Captain America was an old retired WW!! veteran, the Fantastic Four were dead and uncle Ben and Gwen Stacy were alive.. it means Wanda did everything that exist within reality itself and all the aspect which compose it such as time..  
 
lets put it this way.. let's consider one reality warper, for instance Mad Jim Jaspers.. Mad Jim Jaspers has also managed to revive dead individuals with a thought..  


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yes, a reality warper can do mostly anything he/she can do.. even bringing someone back from the dead.. when MJJ revived these individuals, did he affected the time stream.. no.. this is where your claims are completely correct.. he just revived them.. end of story.. but what Wanda did is she altered reality, tend the laws of time and affected the temporal axis which constitutes the time stream and changed the past as well as the entire history.. 
 
Captain America is an old WWII veteran.. why? because Wanda changed the past that Steve Rogers was never imprisoned on ice and was never revived in the future.. 
 

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the Fantastic Four are dead.. why? Wanda altered the time-stream so that the Fantastic Four never survived their space exploration.. 
 

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Gwen Stacy is alive.. why? because Wanda the laws of time and made sure Gwen Stacy never died.. 
 

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as you can see, Wanda can also bend time itself.. she has already proven herself capable of such feat.. she was even capable of permanently change reality and history itself.. like what she did to with Hawkeye.. in the reality prior to the HOM, Hawkeye was dead.. Wanda revived her again and killed him once more during the HOM.. and in the final reality she created, she allowed him to live, which has permanently changed history itself.. why? because, it the existing reality, Hawkeye never really died.. 
 
also what if Wanda allowed Gwen Stacy to still exist in the reality she created after HOM? that means, she has also created a major alteration in the time-stream of the Marvel Universe..  


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there are virtually limitless possibilities with her powers.. potentially, she can do everything..  
 

Simple, he alters events to where this never happens, it's well within the realm of his abilities, as powerful as she may be she has no defense against someone killing her or altering events to where the Chaos Wave was never unleashed.     

that would be something which is somewhat biased to Hal.. let's not forget he would be fighting Wanda.. granted he may have control over time.. he can alter anything in the time-stream.. but have you considered what Wanda can do to him? 
 
what if Wanda altered reality, bend time and gave Hal what he really wanted.. what if the Scarlet Witch changed history itself an Abin Sur never crashed his ship into the California Desert? what if Hal's father never died of an air crash? everything will be changed.. Hal will never would have been a Green Lantern.. he would never have been Parallax.. he would be a famous member of the US Air Force living with his family, and his dad alive.. then Wanda would unleash the Chaos Wave again.. destroying anything and everything in its path.. 
 
remember can do all this with a single thought.. she can virtually do anything she wishes.. she can also grant everyone, even Hal, their greatest dreams.. 
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#154 Posted by FinalStar86 (8649 posts) - - Show Bio
@lord_oraculous016:  That is exactly what I'm saying, because Time is a different concept then reality, Time isn't bound by reality. Reality can be ended, time cannot as Hal already showed that time is an endless loop. 
 
With all of Wanda's feats, there is nothing to suggest that she performed any of them by altering time itself.  She most likely performed all of them by warping reality, changing the current state of things to something else rather then changing history to where events played differently and had different results.  
 
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that would be something which is somewhat biased to Hal.. let's not forget he would be fighting Wanda.. granted he may have control over time.. he can alter anything in the time-stream.. but have you considered what Wanda can do to him?  what if Wanda altered reality, bend time and gave Hal what he really wanted.. what if the Scarlet Witch changed history itself an Abin Sur never crashed his ship into the California Desert? what if Hal's father never died of an air crash? everything will be changed.. Hal will never would have been a Green Lantern.. he would never have been Parallax.. he would be a famous member of the US Air Force living with his family, and his dad alive.. then Wanda would unleash the Chaos Wave again.. destroying anything and everything in its path..  remember can do all this with a single thought.. she can virtually do anything she wishes.. she can also grant everyone, even Hal, their greatest dreams..  "

The difference is Parallax has been confirmed to be able to control chronal energy that makes up the time stream.  Wanda has not, because she most likely changed the reality of things vs changing previous events that lead up to an outcome.  If you show me proof that Wanda can directly effect time then I might concede to that.  
 
The difference between Wanda and Hal as far as being able to do whatever they wanted.  There is on panel evidence of Hal being able to do whatever he wished, so far the claim of Wanda being able to do whatever he wishes has been speculation with nothing to back it up.  Things might of turned at well for her leading into HOM but only because she had a nervous breakdown. 
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#155 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9449 posts) - - Show Bio
@FinalStar86: ... 
 

That is exactly what I'm saying, because Time is a different concept then reality, Time isn't bound by reality. Reality can be ended, time cannot as Hal already showed that time is an endless loop.

 
yes it it.. time is bounded to reality for the concept of time exist in the physical plane as a force which most of the time associated with motion.. if you would remember, Time is a one-dimensional quantity used to sequence events, to quantify the durations of events and the intervals between them, and (used together with space) to quantify and measure the motions of objects and other changes.. Time started at the dawn of creation and more or else does not exist in the great void before it.. in essence, Time ends when Reality itself ends.. 
 

With all of Wanda's feats, there is nothing to suggest that she performed any of them by altering time itself.  She most likely performed all of them by warping reality, changing the current state of things to something else rather then changing history to where events played differently and had different results.     


if by any chance, the present reality is altered, then logically, the past reality remains intact.. for example, i warped reality and changed the structure of the universe as it is today.. like probably erasing someone's face or re-creating the face of the earth to my liking.. such changes applies to the current reality, but the reality which is the past still remains intact that is why many people can distinguish what was altered in the existing reality..  
 

The difference is Parallax has been confirmed to be able to control chronal energy that makes up the time stream.  Wanda has not, because she most likely changed the reality of things vs changing previous events that lead up to an outcome.  If you show me proof that Wanda can directly effect time then I might concede to that. 

 
but as you can see, Wanda did change history.. all the affected individuals of the present knowledge of history has been completely changed.. they have memories of their lives.. its like living in the world we known today, then in a flash of light, we live in a world ruled by communism and racism and the extinction of the entire Jewish population because Adolf Hitler has won WWII, and we have memories of everything that has happened in or lives in that new reality but history books being altered and saying the Allies have lost and the Axis has won..  
 
that is exactly what Wanda did.. she changed history itself.. remember what happened in the HOM.. in that reality, Magneto was attacked by Sentinels over Manhattan in 1979 (taking advantage of Marvel's sliding timescale policy, there are no heroes active in the 1970s). At the end of the attack, Magneto revealed an alleged international anti-mutant conspiracy involving Richard M. Nixon. The main result of this was that Magneto was granted sovereignty of the island of Genosha as the leader of the world's mutants. Another result was that the protection of mutant life was judged to be the foremost of all laws (as a result, stem cell research on mutant embryos is illegal, but stem cell research on altered human embryos is permitted). Because of this, the world is a racist society, with mutants controlling governments, businesses and culture, and Humans (or "Sapiens") are looked down on as inferior. (essentially a reversal of the current status quo, where mutants are looked down on and despised instead)..  
 
and my friend is a proof that Wanda warped reality and all concepts that dwells in it.. including time.. that is why Doctor Strange said Wanda's so completely changed reality that it was impossible to distinguish where true reality starts and her alteration of it begins.. it is because, she basically not just warped it but destroyed reality itself and re-created it based on her wishes..  
 

The difference between Wanda and Hal as far as being able to do whatever they wanted.  There is on panel evidence of Hal being able to do whatever he wished, so far the claim of Wanda being able to do whatever he wishes has been speculation with nothing to back it up.  Things might of turned at well for her leading into HOM but only because she had a nervous breakdown.      


from i have seen so far, Hal can possibly do whatever he wants but still has insufficient means like the knowledge of how to it.. Wanda on the oder hand as no idea of how to do such feat and has doubts of her capabilities whether she can do it.. the other major difference is Hal boasted his powers even though he blatantly admitted he still needed the help of others.. Wanda never assumed she can do all those things.. it was her brother who prompted her to commit such actions.. she was unsure and doubtful, but she managed to it anyways.. Wanda only wanted everyone to be happy.. for all fighting to stop.. but some wishes turn out as plot devices like that of Wolverine who's greatest wish is to remember everything in this life.. that is where Wanda messed up.. because she made one man's greatest wish to come true..  
 
Wanda could have destroyed everything back then if she wanted to.. but she was never like that.. Wanda's nervous breakdown has nothing to do with the HOM.. as you can see, she was in her mind.. she managed to talk to his father and speak out all her frustrations and pain.. her nervous breakdown during Avengers Disassembled did that gave her the power to alter reality.. it was within her all this time.. the nervous breakdown only prompted her to be considered as a threat by her kinsmen.. which led her to be place on the execution list.. and prompted her brother to take drastic measures and asked her to warp reality.. the fact it, whether Wanda had a nervous breakdown or not, she still has the power to alter the entire multiverse/omniverse at will..  
 
and you still haven't answered my question buddy.. what can Hal do once Wanda re-wrote reality and altered the circumstances that led Hal in becoming as Green Lantern in the first place? 
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#156 Posted by RoyHarperBLOW (1764 posts) - - Show Bio

Zero Hour Parallax could probably beat her in a maybe close battle and the actual Parallax entity would be an uberroflcutbstomp.

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#157 Posted by Sethlol (1308 posts) - - Show Bio

Complete stomp in Hal's favor.

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#158 Posted by jeanroygrant (20442 posts) - - Show Bio

Wanda.

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#159 Edited by Diamondlifer1 (143 posts) - - Show Bio

Wanda, No doubt

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#160 Edited by Sethlol (1308 posts) - - Show Bio

Parallax flicks her aside.

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#161 Edited by rolldestroyer (3543 posts) - - Show Bio

@sethlol said:

Parallax flicks her aside.

why is that exactly?

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#162 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (7166 posts) - - Show Bio

Wanda stomps.

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#163 Posted by lol (5441 posts) - - Show Bio

Hal

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#164 Posted by those_eyes (17291 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think I've ever seen the word fanboythrown around more in a thread before.

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#166 Posted by TheVVitchKing (1038 posts) - - Show Bio

Wandas’ powers are nothing compared to zero hour

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#167 Posted by Soratoumiga (3658 posts) - - Show Bio
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#168 Posted by RaimundoPedrosa (888 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly, Life Force House of M Scarlet Witch with the Chaos Wave literally broke the Marvel omniverse, made Eternity her bitch, and remade the Marvel omniverse into a universe in her own image.

The only person able to stop her was Phoenix from the White Hot Room (which implies that White Phoenix of the Crown could've beaten or at least stalemated her).

And I'd put White Phoenix above Parallax as well.

House of M Scarlet Witch with the Chaos Wave and Life Force literally remade the Marvelverse (Marvel omniverse) in her image, so I think that she'll stomp this.

It'll take the likes of Cosmic Armor Superman and others on par with Preretcon Beyonder to beat her.

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#169 Posted by olajoe1 (460 posts) - - Show Bio
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#170 Posted by el-kun (765 posts) - - Show Bio

Wanda stomps hard, even abstracts beings couldn't tell wat was wrong or right , she remade d omniverse

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#171 Posted by EmmaFrostXmen (3085 posts) - - Show Bio

Wanda erases him from the multiverse

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#172 Posted by Supermanthor (21382 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk

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#173 Posted by RaimundoPedrosa (888 posts) - - Show Bio

@olajoe1 said:

@raimundopedrosa: And Parallax resetted DC

The whole omniverse like Life Force amped House of M Wanda with the Chaos Wave did?

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#174 Posted by RaimundoPedrosa (888 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk

Ha no. He's helpless against either.

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Wanda stomps hard, even abstracts beings couldn't tell wat was wrong or right , she remade d omniverse

Agreed. Somebody like Mister Mxyzpltk (or even Emperor Joker with 1% less power than him) would have a field day on her, but Wanda would overwhelm Hal if she's amped by the Life Force to House of M levels and has the Chaos Wave with her. Everyone short of White Phoenix of the Crown succumbed to her.

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#175 Posted by el-kun (765 posts) - - Show Bio

@raimundopedrosa: yea right any being short of Emperor joker with 99% can't beat her ,

I feel she is Wanda full power=full power jean

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#177 Posted by RaimundoPedrosa (888 posts) - - Show Bio

@el-kun said:

@raimundopedrosa: yea right any being short of Emperor joker with 99% can't beat her ,

I feel she is Wanda full power=full power jean

So are you backing Hal or Wanda in this fight? Also, was your "yea right" sarcastic? Or were you agreeing with me that Emperor Joker (99% of Mxyzpltk's power) can beat her, but anybody less than that would lose to her handily?

Also, yes, agreed that Life Force amped House of M Wanda with the Chaos Wave would be equal to White Phoenix Jean of the Crown.

@raimundopedrosa: you sense of humor is bad buddy

Haha I get that you were joking. So are you backing Hal or Wanda in this fight?

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#178 Posted by el-kun (765 posts) - - Show Bio

@raimundopedrosa: yea I was been real, Wanda would dominate Hal in dis fight

And yea anyone short of emperor joker will lose to her

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#180 Posted by RaimundoPedrosa (888 posts) - - Show Bio

@raimundopedrosa: of course Wanda

Me too. I would say that Emperor Joker would have a field day on House of M Wanda, but Hal is out of his league here. Given what Wanda did to even Mad Jim Jaspers, I'm thinking that maybe even Anti Monitor would have some trouble with, or possibly lose to, her.

Wanda is insanely powerful and hard to beat. It takes a lot.