Savage Opress vs. Ahsoka Tano

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@kbroskywalker: Savage beat Koon and Adi Gallia. He stands a chance at taking Ahsoka

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@kbroskywalker: Savage beat Koon and Adi Gallia. He stands a chance at taking Ahsoka

savage beat koon through taking his mask off, and considering plo koon has stomped ventress while injured and is around kenobi's level, i doubt he can repeat that, adi gakia is fodder compared to vader, even plo koon is much much weaker than vader.

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@kbroskywalker: Ahsoka was clearly on the losing end of that fight against Vader. And Savage has also simultaneously fought Ventress and Dooku and was smacking them around the room with his pure strength, and he was also driving back Obi-Wan and Anakin shortly after. The guy's a good fighter and his brute strength will probably be a problem for Ahsoka here.

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@kbroskywalker: And prior to that was fighting evenly with Plo. Plo fougt a pre prime Ventress but it is still a spectacular showing. Adi Gallia and Koon being below Vader has what reliance? Savage beat these people, Ahsoka was being pushed back by Vader.

All that being said Ahsoka would still win this battle 6-7/10

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@kbroskywalker: Ahsoka was clearly on the losing end of that fight against Vader. And Savage has also simultaneously fought Ventress and Dooku and was smacking them around the room with his pure strength, and he was also driving back Obi-Wan and Anakin shortly after. The guy's a good fighter and his brute strength will probably be a problem for Ahsoka here.

there's nothing wrong with being on the losing side in a prolonged duel with darth vader. And both of those are outliars. With maul's help he was beat by kenobi, he has been toyed around with by dooku numerous times. Also just cause he pushed them back after 2 seconds does not mean he had a hope vs either a prolonged duel. Anakin has matched dooku who quite easily out dueled him and ragdolled him with the force, and kenobi outdueled both him and maul. By the padawan ashoka avoided being subdued by anakin and obi wan for a longer time, is padawan ashoka>opress now ?

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#10  Edited By kbroskywalker

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@kbroskywalker: And prior to that was fighting evenly with Plo. Plo fougt a pre prime Ventress but it is still a spectacular showing. Adi Gallia and Koon being below Vader has what reliance? Savage beat these people, Ahsoka was being pushed back by Vader.

All that being said Ahsoka would still win this battle 6-7/10

is it ever made clear when ventress's prime is?

well being slowly pushed back by vader but still contending is much more impressive than beating adi galia cause adi galia would die instantly vs vader. contending with plo koon is impressive but he's still well behind vader, but i suppose its possible that if opress gets lucky he may be able to score a win

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Savage wins through force

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@kbroskywalker: Well Obi-Wan and Anakin weren't really trying at all against Ahsoka...they were just trying to figure out what happened to her and how to help her.

Yeah Obi-Wan had that one outlier showing where he was able to fend off both Maul and Savage Opress at the same time. But then he outright states that the duo of Ventress and Obi-Wan were outmatched by the duo of Maul and Savage. And Obi-Wan was curbstomped by Savage the first time they fought.

And yes, if you are driving your opponents back then duh you do have a hope of beating them. Heck you have hope of beating them together let alone by themselves. There wasn't any evidence at all that Anakin or Obi-Wan were holding back at all in that fight.

I'm not even trying to argue for Savage winning here, as I think Ahsoka would probably pull a slim majority. But this is by no means as stomp and there's no question Savage would pull some wins as well.

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I bet.

His force choking of dooku and ventress is a massive outliar, he's been dominated force wise by dooku before and was beat by kenobi inspite of having maul help him

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@kbroskywalker: Well Obi-Wan and Anakin weren't really trying at all against Ahsoka...they were just trying to figure out what happened to her and how to help her.

Yeah Obi-Wan had that one outlier showing where he was able to fend off both Maul and Savage Opress at the same time. But then he outright states that the duo of Ventress and Obi-Wan were outmatched by the duo of Maul and Savage. And Obi-Wan was curbstomped by Savage the first time they fought.

And yes, if you are driving your opponents back then duh you do have a hope of beating them. Heck you have hope of beating them together let alone by themselves. There wasn't any evidence at all that Anakin or Obi-Wan were holding back at all in that fight.

I'm not even trying to argue for Savage winning here, as I think Ahsoka would probably pull a slim majority. But this is by no means as stomp and there's no question Savage would pull some wins as well.

thats not really an outliar for kenobi, he has stale mated anakin and out of prime held his own vs vader. While old wounds is non canon the fight is referenced in legends and there and out of prime kenobi beat maul. Also kenobi was ambushed and beaten by maul and savage prior to that first duel and spent some of the duel keeping ventress alive. Also i really hope you aren't trying to say opress could take anakin in a duel. Anakin was a match for dooku and beat him in his last duel quite convincingly. Doou was beating both ventress and opress

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Ahsoka mid difficulty. She is too skilled and will find a way through Savage's clumsy defense.

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Ahsoka mid difficulty. She is too skilled and will find a way through Savage's clumsy defense.

next there are going to be ashoka vs pre visla threads

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Ahsoka wins with moderate-high difficulty

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Either way.

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#19  Edited By nfactor1995

@kbroskywalker: Anakin would probably win 10/10 against Savage, but each fight would be difficult for him. I wouldn't even be surprised if Savage managed to take a win in that fight. I'd give Ahsoka a 7-8/10 majority against Savage because she is a more skilled and smarter fighter, which should be able to overcome Savage's pure physical advantage over her more often than not.

Also, Anakin can rival Dooku for two reasons: 1. Yeah he's (Anakin) a good duelist himself, but more importantly 2. his lightsaber form is a terrible matchup for Dooku's.

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@kbroskywalker: Anakin would probably win 10/10 against Savage, but each fight would be difficult for him. I wouldn't even be surprised if Savage managed to take a win in that fight. I'd give Ahsoka a 7-8/10 majority against Savage because she is a more skilled and smarter fighter, which should be able to overcome Savage's pure physical advantage over her more often than not.

Also, Anakin can rival Dooku for two reasons: 1. Yeah he's (Anakin) a good duelist himself, but more importantly 2. his lightsaber form is a terrible matchup for Dooku's.

while it had something to do with lightsaber form, dooku was pretty good at dealing with strong opposition, opress for example

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@kbroskywalker: No he did awfully against Savage in a lightsaber duel, he was getting thrown across the room with every blow from Savage. Dooku was able to overwhelm Savage with his Force prowess, not his lightsaber abilities.

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@kbroskywalker: No he did awfully against Savage in a lightsaber duel, he was getting thrown across the room with every blow from Savage. Dooku was able to overwhelm Savage with his Force prowess, not his lightsaber abilities.

i'm talking about the first duel, in the second duel he was dealing with ventress as well

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Not sure. How do you guys think Savage stacks up to Vader in physical strenght?

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@kbroskywalker: When did Dooku and Savage fight before the big fight between Dooku, Ventress, and Savage? All I can remember is Dooku training Savage (and obviously beating him there), and that last fight, where Savage was smacking Ventress and Dooku all over the room.

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@zapan871 said:

Not sure. How do you guys think Savage stacks up to Vader in physical strenght?

he's completely outclassed, vader picked up a tie fighter with his bare hands

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Tano in a good fight.

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@zapan871 said:

Not sure. How do you guys think Savage stacks up to Vader in physical strenght?

my bad he doesn't lift a tie fighter its a walker and he just pushes it up a bit before using the force to lift it, still a good feat

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Ahsoka mid difficulty. She is too skilled and will find a way through Savage's clumsy defense.

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Wow Savage is being massively underrated here.

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Savage takes it in a savage fight. ;)

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People are really underestimating Savage here...

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Ahsoka mid difficulty. She is too skilled and will find a way through Savage's clumsy defense.

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#33  Edited By Hypnos0929

The only thing that's ever slowed Savage is force lightning or a really hard force push. Due to this I'd give it to Savage

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Bump.

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Ahsoka. Decent fight.

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Ahsoka.

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#37  Edited By kbroskywalker

Rebels maul is canonically a better duelist and logically more powerful than tcw maul who has

A. Stomped Oppress in about 5 seconds

B. Massively outperformed Oppress vs Kenobi

C. Outlasted Oppress vs Sidious

Ahsoka matched rebels maul and has authority putting her above him.

This isn't hard folks.

Ahsoka stomps every time

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Ahsoka solidly.

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Ahsoka, with difficulty of course.

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Everyone is saying Ahsoka wins, so I'm going to say Savage wins.

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@kbroskywalker: dude do you just hate Dathomirian males? Because you seem to never side with them... Ever

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#42  Edited By nfactor1995

Ahsoka wins yeah, but definitely doesn't stomp lol.

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@hypnos0929:

Actually I've been defending prime maul against the head canon of supposed maul fans of late. Doesn't change that ahsoka gets scaling from rebels maul that make the outcome of this ridculously obvious

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Ahsoka wins yeah, but definitely doesn't stomp lol.

Rebels maul is canonically a better duelist and logically more powerful than tcw maul who has

A. Stomped Oppress in about 5 seconds

B. Massively outperformed Oppress vs Kenobi

C. Outlasted Oppress vs Sidious

Ahsoka matched rebels maul and has authority putting her above him.

This isn't hard folks.

Ahsoka stomps every time

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Ahsoka DOES NOT stomp. Nothing close to it. That being said, I'd call it...

I know it's controversial... but I say Savage 5,5/10. Too much Force power. Too much strength. Too much durability.

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#46  Edited By The_Fub

Maul beating Savage has zero merit to this battle for a couple reasons. One, this was pre prime Savage, before he gets training from Maul. Two, he beat him using his physicality (used his robot leg to grab Savage head and pin him down) something Ahsoka cannot do.

Savage has been consistently more impressive. He beat a Jedi Master (or knight) and his Padwan massively pre prime. Beat Adi. Beat Plo (may have been due to a technicality but even so, was matching him while having Clone troopers fire at him). Disarmed Dooku and wouldve likely killed him had Dooku not had Firce lightning. Choked both dooku and Ventress out. Casually force pushed Obi Wans ship off a cliff. Drove back Obi Wan and Anakin and fought them multiple times. Outclassed Ventress. Fought Sidious longer then three jedi masters were able to.

Also, I'd argue that Savage did better against Sidious than Maul before Mauls rage amp. Not that Savage > Maul, or he would have been the master. Just saying people massively underestimate Savage due to his brutish fighting style, despite his array of great feats.

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Savage unless Obi Wan mentioned his strength to her.

That blade lock she did to Vader wont fly with the behemoth who knocked back Sidious with pure strength. Best case scenario Vulcan plays it smart and tries to win with her speed advantage but she likely wont know what's coming.

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#48  Edited By RGR

While outnumbered, Obi-Wan was wrecking Savage not with his trademark defensive Soresu, but with his acrobatic Ataru. Ahsoka should be more proficient than him using this fighting style, and her pre-prime version is probably gonna give Maul (Savage's clear superior) a good fight in the final season of TCW. She likely wins.

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Ashoka

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Ahsoka Tano, its not close. Savage didnt last 30 seconds against Sidious when alone. Ahsoka lasted minutes against a version of Vader who is in all likelihood more powerful than that version of sidious.