Satannish(Marvel) Vs. Anilaza(Dragon Ball)

Satannish(Marvel) Vs. Anilaza(Dragon Ball):

The Rules:

• Morals Off/Bloodlust.
• Neutral Dimension.
  
• Random Encounter.
• Standard Power-Levels.
• Win by any means.

LOCATION:

Bumpy.

@wastelandman@professorrespect: Thoughts?

@andromeda1001:

I haven't read/watched the current Dragon Ball stuff outside the main continuity which I'm guessing Anilaza is outside of. What are their feats?

@wastelandman: Fought Universe 7 together:

@wastelandman By the way, I was also looking back at Satannish matching mystical Galactus in Doctor Strange Vol.5#16:

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And noticed something that made it more impressive. Galactus became one with the mystical universes in the previous issue, didn't he?

In the same storyline(Doctor Strange Vol.5#13), Strange even says the mystical realms are infinite and have fully fledge universes among them:

So Satannish fought a version of Galactus powered by several realities/universes, only losing after Galactus resorted to draining him. Besides, it's not the first time that Satannish fights at that level. Remember Mephisto's and Satannish's fight(DSSS#30)? The fighting was so intense that threatened to destroy Mephisto's dimension, and our universe as well:

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Now, if we truly want to fully grasp how impressive is this showing, we need to look at the multiverse map:

As we can see, Mephisto's Hell is many universes away from Earth's dimension(By my reckoning, I say something around twenty or so. Not counting the godly realms, which should include more thousands of pocket dimensions), and even then, their battle was still threatening it from all those realities away.

@andromeda1001:

I guess it depends how you scale Satannish. If you consider his showings against Mephisto in the Sorcerer Supreme series legit then he seems way too OP for Anilaza. Satannish was busting mutliple dimensions just rough housing and not fighting seriously. Anilaza was going all out and nothing like the effects of Satannish's battle occured.

@andromeda1001 said:

@wastelandman By the way, I was also looking back at Satannish matching mystical Galactus in Doctor Strange Vol.5#16:

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And noticed something that made it more impressive. Galactus became one with the mystical universes in the previous issue, didn't he?

In the same storyline(Doctor Strange Vol.5#13), Strange even says the mystical realms are infinite and have fully fledge universes among them:

So Satannish fought a version of Galactus powered by several realities/universes, only losing after Galactus resorted to draining him. Besides, it's not the first time that Satannish fights at that level. Remember Mephisto's and Satannish's fight(DSSS#30)? The fighting was so intense that threatened to destroy Mephisto's dimension, and our universe as well:

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Now, if we truly want to fully grasp how impressive is this showing, we need to look at the multiverse map:

As we can see, Mephisto's Hell is many universes away from Earth's dimension(By my reckoning, I say something around twenty or so. Not counting the godly realms, which should include more thousands of pocket dimensions), and even then, their battle was still threatening it from all those realities away.

The events were alluded to in one of Hellcat's series too, so Satannish being mutli-universal looks even more consistent now.

But like, if you know this why do you think it's a fair battle against Anilaza? lol

@wastelandman said:

They were? Do you happen to have the scan?

I mean, people argue that the individual fighters of Universe 7 were already universal by themselves.

If you recall, the storyline from the Sorcerer Supreme series (Volume 3, #8) where Satannish was said to be part of Mephisto was referenced and cited:

And the comic where Satannish/Mephisto is a direct follow up to that continuity.

Yeah, but that was with max effort over an extended period of time and it was a shared feat. That's not enough to say they can beat someone who can bust multiple realms without even trying.

@wastelandman: And the comic where Satannish/Mephisto is a direct follow up to that continuity.

Ah, yes. I know that scan/storyline, I was thinking it was in the more recent Hellcat series or something. Lol

Still, thanks for it.

Yeah, but that was with max effort and it was a shared feat. That's not enough to say they can beat someone who can bust multiple realms without even trying.

I believe even lower forms of those characters have done universal-level feats, tbh. Right, @thewatcherking?

@wastelandman: Ah, I forgot to mention this. It's not related to the thread or anything, but Tiboro seems to have tanked/survived the unleashed energies of Galactus and Satannish:

He seemed to be very near them, at least.

@andromeda1001 said:

@wastelandman: Ah, I forgot to mention this. It's not related to the thread or anything, but Tiboro seems to have tanked/survived the unleashed energies of Galactus and Satannish:

He seemed to be very near them, at least.

lol wow, that's actually a pretty good catch xD. I'll add it when I update my RTs.

Since Strange one-shotted Tiboro recently I guess I can wank his AP above Galactus/Satannish, lel.

@wastelandman said:

Indeed, Strange has one-shoted Galactus in the same storyline after all:

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Heh.

@andromeda1001 said:

@wastelandman said:

lol wow, that's actually a pretty good catch xD. I'll add it when I update my RTs.

Since Strange one-shotted Tiboro recently I guess I can wank his AP above Galactus/Satannish, lel.

Indeed, Strange has one-shoted Galactus in the same storyline after all:

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Heh.

Yes, even exhausted Goku/Vegeta/trunks from the arc prior who were so weakened they couldn’t transform were taking attacks from infinite Zamasu who not only merged with the macrocosm but was one with the entire timeline bleeding into others.

Something strangely overlooked is

1. The macrocosm itself is far larger than the universe, the living universe is just one aspect of a larger whole that includes the afterlife(heaven/hell/Grand Kai worlds/etc) as well as the supreme Kai’s word that is 1/10th the size of the macrocosm. All of that was going to be destroyed by Goku/Beerus clashing a few times(not over the course of a long time) in the first arc.
2. A timeline holds more than one macrocosm, there are bare minimum 12 macrocosms in a timeline(actually the normal number is 18, 12 refers to the present timeline).
3. And touching back on the Goku vs Beerus fight…. SSG isn’t even close to blue level. SSB(also called super saiyan god super saiyan) is 50x stronger than SSG. And the power of SSG became Goku/Vegeta’s base form in the very next arc. So the weird thing people do where they cap Goku at inexplicably below the Beerus feat makes no sense. This is anime where the plot is literally just getting stronger, so the version of Goku that was in the ToP is leagues more powerful than the one that faced Beerus even discounting being in a stronger form.

Also it’s blatantly stated the individual punches Goku and Beerus threw were universe busting(adding to the fact that it was the macrocosm in danger which is blatantly stated in the anime and manga as even elder kai who isn’t in the macrocosm said he would die to the clash as well).

As for who wins here, dunno but honestly in these threads the DB character usually has much better AP scaling and speed. Not to say that’s enough to win a fight

@thewatcherking: Thanks!

A question, @properthe1.

How big is a universe in Marvel, again?

@andromeda1001:

"That's why she [Infinity] plucked my life-essence from my dead body and imbued it with the aspect of her truly infinite power. The trouble is... Just as in mathematics there are numbers greater than infinity, there are apparently trans-infinite forces in the universe as well."

Hard to sum this up even further, but as you can see, Quasar is saying that the universe has transfinite forces in it, greater than infinity in the same manner that mathematics has "numbers greater than infinity." As a good chunk of you all already knows: Transfinite numbers in mathematics aren't the same as additions of +1 dimensions. In fact, everything from 1-dimensional space to countably infinite-dimensional space is included in 2^aleph-0 (The cardinality of the real numbers, which is aleph-1. That’s just a single universe.!

@properthe1: Thanks for the explanation!

This is textbook outlier debating. Granted the same applies for Hell Lords but they atleast have real showings instead of goofy scaling chains.

@andromeda1001 said:

@wastelandman Now, if we truly want to fully grasp how impressive is this showing, we need to look at the multiverse map:

As we can see, Mephisto's Hell is many universes away from Earth's dimension(By my reckoning, I say something around twenty or so. Not counting the godly realms, which should include more thousands of pocket dimensions), and even then, their battle was still threatening it from all those realities away.

For the record I think Satannish wins, but Idk about that cosmology map being a literal representation of cosmological structure. For example, there is Yggdrasil's placement. One of its realms is Nifleheim, i.e., Hel, which counts in the Hells section as it refers to the dimension ruled by Hela.

@rajjarsalt said:

I'm not that knowledgeable about Dragon Ball, but @thewatcherking seems to have solid feats for them. At least, they seem powerful enough to match Satannish's own feats that I posted above.

@rajjarsalt said:

It may have some mistakes here and there, but I do think it's a piece of solid evidence overall. Besides, it's not the first time that Hela's or even Pluto's realm has been shown to be linked with other hellish domains. Marvel - Map By Map also have them close to each other:

So it's not that uncommon. Depends on what interpretation they were going for.

@andromeda1001: factoring in cosmology the hell lords, would be many infinities more powerful

@andromeda1001: I’d rather not be tagged over the words of a troll, thanks in advance

@thewatcherking: I've sworn off trolling etc

Those feats aren't Anilaza's though, which is why powerscaling happens. Anilaza's punches creating a floor-sized rupture in the fabric of subspace is obviously not equivalent to a universe bust let alone orders of magnitude greater. If anything, they prove the earlier feats were outliers etc.

Marvel cosmology >>>>

Word on the street is that this guy is as strong as a male gorilla

@rajjarsalt said:

But why wouldn't Anilaza scale from them, or at least some of them? I know power scaling in DB can be a bit messy, but they seem to have been established as universal by quite an amount of statements and feats.

@rajjarsalt said:

Eh, I think Killpower was simply stronger in the storyline due to the plot(As shown in the previous issue, Revolutionary Wars: Warheads, Killpower was made Hell's new liege chosen by Mephisto himself). Or the others were simply written as weaker for the same reason. I mean, Killpower even went on a rampage in Watcher's hell, which are cosmic entities. Heck, we also see his army of demons taking on the Avengers, X-Men and the GotG in the same comic. Besides, it's written by Andy Lanning and his track record when it involves comics isn't actually good, especially with mystical entities or Hell-Lords. Just look at his New Mutants stuff.

In the end, I wouldn't put much stock in that storyline. It was very inconsistent.

The only one with established universal feats is the Grand Zeno, who has demonstrated a clean universe bust, no BS, no context, nothing like that. I'll be fair and say Anilaza could scale if he didn't perform his feats with said punches and there was nothing to go off but the scaling. But since he performed a straight feat there, one that can be compared relative to the destruction of one dimension within the universe, let alone the entire macrocosm, it is the equivalent of scaling a grenade's explosion over the death of a planet or star because it hurt some inconsistent character.

As for the "feats" he's getting scaled from.

Those infamous shockwaves need to be analyzed with the in-universe mechanics presented for the shockwaves' travel.

• If the shockwaves decreased in energy the farther they traveled from their point of origin, it would be worthy of the universal wank
  • This is because the origin would have contained the maximum of the shockwave energy, all of it, as demonstrated IRL.
  • Travelling is motion, and motion expends energy, so waves generally lose energy as they propagate from their point of origin.

• BUT it is explicitly shown and stated that these waves increased in energy the farther they traveled from their point of origin.

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Mathematics and common sense are relevant here - if we were to map the feat out, put the numbers on the chart and graph it, we can see higher and higher destruction the further away we go. The shockwave energy is shown to decrease the closer it is to the two fighters. Thus, the energy is at its minimum at the epicenter, which logically confirms Gookoo clashing with Bill had little to none of the total energy.

There isn't much to say about the infinite dude. He got a cosmic upgrade, sure, but the mid feats he got are powerscaled to his in-universe standing, because y'know, Zamasucks.

I calculate these to be in the range of several tons of TNT to dozens of kilotons. RIP

@rajjarsalt: Hmmm, interesting.

Again, I'm not that knowledgeable about Dragon Ball. Still, I think @eredin12 is and might be able to give a new take. I'm just a spectator here, lol.

Don't worry, I don't know $hit about Satannish either, besides one thing that is!

I also will drop all the arguments I made in this thread if the same powerscaling methodology is applied on...Spider-Man!

Calculus of Clashes: Shockwave Propagation Simplified For Doofy Ball

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