Sasuke Uchiha (The Last) vs TYBW Byakuya Kuchiki

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@undre: @undre: As Nodt's fear manipulation is not the same as illusions cast by Genjutsu.

Also Byakuya overcame As Nodt's ability through willpower which won't do anything to help him get out of Genjutsu.

Why would you even mention Pepe and Zommari? Neither uses illusions and Zommari's ability has no mental effect period.

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#52 Undre  Online

@man_of_miracles: in reality it doesnt matter 1 hes a spirit 2. He has his zanpacto to wake him up

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#53  Edited By Man_of_Miracles

@undre:

1) Yeah it does. Byakuya still has a brain. And don't give me this spirit partical B.S. that's an in universe mechanic and has no bearing on a cross universe battle.

2) Show me a zapakuto ever waking someone up from and illusion like Genjustsu.

Even if we assume he can't Genjutsu for whatever reason he would smack the hell out of Byakuya anyway.

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@undre:

1) Yeah it does. Byakuya still has a brain. And don't give me this spirit partical B.S. that's an in universe mechanic and has no bearing on a cross universe battle.

Genjustu effects the brain so does asnots fear and he resisted it. Its Tp resistance

2) Show me a zapakuto ever waking someone up from and illusion like Genjustsu.

Genjustus weakness is having a extra spirit to wake you up. The same should apply witu byakuya. When has sasuke ever attempted genjustu on naruto,kinshiki or momo.

Even if we assume he can't Genjutsu for whatever reason he would smack the hell out of Byakuya anyway.

Bykuaya physcials are up thier. Like i said 4 vizards attacking base geard didnt him. And keep in mind their much stronger than when they fought the espada. They can use triple cero.

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Even Kenpachi shikia Kenpachi had a hard time with him and here is bykuaya destroying his head

Si byakuya has better stats if his AP is uo their with shikia Kenpachiz

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Sasuke one shots.

Byakuya has no counter for Genjutsu, Ameno, and superior stats.

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@undre:

1. Genjustus weakness is having a extra spirit to wake you up. The same should apply witu byakuya. When has sasuke ever attempted genjustu on naruto,kinshiki or momo.

Yagura Karatachi , the Jinchuruki of Isobu, still fall under the victim of Genjutsu even though he has an extra spirit that will wake him up.

2. Genjustu effects the brain so does asnots fear and he resisted it. Its Tp resistance. Bykuaya physcials are up thier. Like i said 4 vizards attacking base geard didnt him. And keep in mind their much stronger than when they fought the espada. They can use triple cero.

Physicals does not matter against Itachi's Sword of Totsuka. And Genjutsu's effects are not only limited to the brain.

"It is an ethereal weapon with an enchanted blade capable of sealing the target it pierces. Those who are stabbed by the sword are drawn into the jar and trapped in a genjutsu-like "world of drunken dreams" for all eternity."

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#57  Edited By Undre  Online

@requiemcross: XD you do know zanpactos are ethereal weapons aswell. You get auto sealed to SS or hell depending on your sin. And given their astral defense it gets neged.

Tybw byakuya is leagues faster than itach its not even funny and his ap bullies his sussanoo. Btw we are taking about the last sasuke.

Asnots fear effects the body and mind. Check post 47.

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@undre: That's not what Ethereal means.

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@undre: I don't need to read between any lines, you're the one making absurd claims.

Give me one speed, DC, AP, Durability, or any feat for that matter on the level of Sasuke.

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#61 Undre  Online

@tetsukage: being able to damage geard whos is comparable to Kenpachi look at post 54. Thats enough Ap to deal with sussanoo

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@tetsukage: and he blizted 3 sternitters in base who are high end 4 digit machs

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@undre said:

@tetsukage: being able to damage geard whos is comparable to Kenpachi look at post 54. Thats enough Ap to deal with sussanoo

Gerard has zero feats on Kenny's level, and this is easily written off as Kenpachi using all his power to bust the meteor but, not using all his power on Gerard. ( it's not like Kenny to go all out, he likes to savor the fight)

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@tetsukage: and he blizted 3 sternitters in base who are high end 4 digit machs

Show me the speed feats for these Sterns ( I know which ones they are and what you're talking about, I just want to see you explain why they're that fast.)

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@tetsukage: XD what Kenpachi didnt use all his power to destroy that meteor he did it casually. Back up by grimmy

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XD trying to down play geards Kenpachi didnt hold back he to use his eye patch and go bankia. Toshiro even saif geard had more reatsu than Kenpachi

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I mean it should be common sense the strenriters are stronger then the espada. FB ichigo barely took out one. And he scales well above his mask form which was mach 1000. And current captains are much stronger the FKT captains current sterns should be mach 4000+. Byakuaya blitzed 3 of them in shikia that makes him 3 times faster so in base has mach 10,000 sub relativistic... ?. His Bankia petals are much fast 5 to 10x puting him at Relitivistc

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@undre: not a single speed feat was show, and you're math is off by a lot.

Bakuya's petals are 2x faster not 5x or 10x.

Blitzing doesn't require 3x the other person's speed

All of what you said was wrong.

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#66 Undre  Online

@undre: not a single speed feat was show, and you're math is off by a lot.

Bakuya's petals are 2x faster not 5x or 10x.

False bykuaya in bankia immediately shikia ichigo befor that ichigo was winning. Thats already at least 2 or 3x speed increase

Then ichigo goes bankia and blitzed him. Then bykauya speeds uo his petals 3x so thats at least 6x bost for bankia

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Blitzing doesn't require 3x the other person's speed

Well in this case it does becasue it was 3 sterns at once

All of what you said was wrong.

Nope i just spoon feed you the facts

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@undre said:

@requiemcross: XD you do know zanpactos are ethereal weapons aswell. You get auto sealed to SS or hell depending on your sin. And given their astral defense it gets neged.

Tybw byakuya is leagues faster than itach its not even funny and his ap bullies his sussanoo. Btw we are taking about the last sasuke.

Asnots fear effects the body and mind. Check post 47.

Not quite, being hit by Susanoo will seal Byakuya to the gourd for all eternity. Whether you're alive, ethereal or not. Look what happened to Orochimaru and Nagato.

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@ourmanuel: You state he isn't too much for everyone in Bleach while using Toshiro as an example, then you go on to exempt two factors that mandate the exact opposite.

That's akin to saying "Without Naruto's speed and Nine tails Ichigo would beat him".

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@timetrapper said:

If you would've equalized speed this would've been fair. But Sasuke Curbs.

That would actually be an interesting match.

OT: sasuke for obvious reasons.

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@kingzod: sasuke’s genjutsu could be countered by reikaku and a Zanpakutō spirit.

The speed part is really the biggest player.

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#72  Edited By KingZod

@ourmanuel: No need to engage that argument, we'd just stray off topic.

There's numerous other factors, but I assume we both agree Sasuke would beat him so.

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@undre: Bakuya said himself he oy increases the speed by 2x.

No you don't 3x speed to blitz someone.

I want to CaV with you, you're logic is all backwards.

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#74  Edited By SkySanji

@tetsukage: CaV'ing Undre would be a complete and utter waste of your time.

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@skysanji: I want to do it just to expose his faulty logic, he uses multiplers for Bleach that don't exist.

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#76  Edited By ManimalMan

@tetsukage: there's nothing to really expose though, we all know how bad his arguments are.

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Naruto threads are becoming more cancerous than DB or OPM threads.

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@ourmanuel: it's a lot more than just speed.

With speed equal, Sasuke still wins this.

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@skysanji: @tetsukage:Byakuaya increased the speed of his petals 3 time. Gonna go scan by scan

First time was when he went bankia he immediately blitzed ichigo befor that ichigo was winning the fight. Bykuaya went from getting wrecked to blitzing ichigo. So this can be a 2 or 3x speed increase. Gonna lowball and say 2x.

Ichigo goes bankia blizes bykuaya even worse, Ill just say ichigo is 2x faster even with lowball

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Bykuaya then gets serious amps his speed for the 2nd time and ichigo cant blitz him like he did the first time. At this point bykuaya is 4x faster than his shika

Then ichigo amps his speed for the 2nd time

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Bykuaya amps his speed yet again this time by 3. At this point bykuaya 8 to 10x faster

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This blatant evidence of a 10x speed increase

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@undre: Bakuya only increases his speed once, Ichigo thinks it's getting faster but he's actually slowing down because he's not used to Bankai.

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@silentnightz: “Basic Bankai ichigo has Raikage lvls of speed at the start”

No he wasn’t. At all.

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Why is this still going on? Sasuke obviously stomps.

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#84  Edited By SkySanji

@ultimatesage: Because unfortunately this is CV where toxic Bleach fanboys infest the site.

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@skysanji: forgot about that.......guess you can't always get what you want*sighs*

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Sasuke stomps every single version of Byakuya, this shouldn't even be debatable at this point.

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#87  Edited By Earendill

@yamiyodare said:

So6P Sasuke wins... , without really trying.

Sasuke doesn't need SO6P powers to defeat Byakuya. Adult form stomps. Probably troll topic.

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@undre: Bakuya only increases his speed once, Ichigo thinks it's getting faster but he's actually slowing down because he's not used to Bankai.

Nope he didnt start slowing down till after bykuaya activated the final stage of his bankia.

Even after bykuaya increased his speed ichigo still blitzed him

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@undre: Ichigo literally states that he can go even farther, then he gets tagged and thinks Bakuya is moving faster.

Bakuya the stats be slowed down.

I just finished the manga and read this arc a week ago. I know what happened.

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@tetsukage: well i suggest you go read it again because bykuaya never taged ichigo until he activated his bankias final stage seinki. And at that point ichigo got slower.

https://automanga.com/manga/bleach/163/1

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@undre: He tagged him before he went Bankai and after once he increased his killing power not speed ( which is stated)

Bakuya has his base petal speed and then a 2x-3x increase when he used his hand to guide it. That's all.

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@undre: Also Bankai doesn't increase speed, it's never stated that if does, and Bakuya noted that Ichigo's was unique in being condensed so that his speed would increase.

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Why is this still going? Sasuke stomps.

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#94 Undre  Online

@tetsukage: bankia increases speed for some people. Bykuay can increase the speed and power of his petals. And ichigo can massively increase his overall speed. Kenpachi both speed and power.

And all release and holy forms increase speed.

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@undre: His petals only increase in speed when he guides with his hands, it does increase killing potential though.

No they don't

You literally posted a scan of Bakuya telling you he increases the speed 3x (only increase of speed in the fight) and then stated it was blatantly 10x... You argued with the manga.

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#96  Edited By Undre  Online

@tetsukage said:

@undre: His petals only increase in speed when he guides with his hands, it does increase killing potential though.

No they don't

You literally posted a scan of Bakuya telling you he increases the speed 3x (only increase of speed in the fight) and then stated it was blatantly 10x... You argued with the manga.

XD. Its pretty obvious its 10x. Gonna explain this again. Number 1. bykuaya blitzed ichigo right when he activated bankia and even called ichigo SLOW. Thats already a speed increase

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Number 2- ichigo goes bankia and blitzed bykuaya. Bykuaya then gets serious and amp his bankia speed and ichigo cant blitzed him like he did the first time

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Number 3. Then ichigo amps his speed to the point you can see AFTER IMAGES. Then bykauya saids screw this shit and amps his speed for the third time.

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I mean this is pretty blatant.

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Why is this still going on? Sasuke obviously stomps.

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Lol.

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Sasuke would still win with speed equal and genjutsu restricted.

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#100  Edited By Undre  Online

@manimalman: one manga speed feat for sasuke ill wait. Sasukes imaginary speed wank is redic. Low end Quad digits at most via scaling