Sasuke (Naruto Shippuden) vs Raditz (Dragon Ball)

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Raditz stomps

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Raditz shows him the little birdie. It's the last thing he sees

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Sasuke stomps with no difficulty whatsoever.

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Raditz destroys him. Boruto has been horrible with constant retcons and disregard to kishimoto original story and scaling.

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#6  Edited By Omega7373663
@lordragoon said:

Raditz destroys him. Boruto has been horrible with constant retcons and disregard to kishimoto original story and scaling.

I'm not talking about the Boruto version here.

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#7  Edited By RDCDesmond  Online

Sasuke can teleport Raditz to himself and charge Susanoo Chidori. He can even use this ability in susanoo.

He used to have that ability but it was retconned or he just doesn’t use it anymore

But since this is war version he should have it

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This Sasuke is stronger than Toneri who should be relevant to Raditz.

He should be strong as Ghost Hag.

Sasuke was only half of ghost Hag power and post Biju amp it compensated for other half

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He is comparable to Hag and Dual Rinnegan Juudara both should be at 50 zetts scaling from Ghost Hag who scales to young Hag who scales to half of six paths CT calc that push moon into orbit in 30-60 mins

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@deyyy said:

Sasuke stomps with no difficulty whatsoever.

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@ghostgod: both Toneri and Piccolo are baseline for moon - low small planet lv

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Raditz gets one shot in every imaginable scenario. He's too slow, too weak, and too stupid. His only hope would be hitting a full power ki blast and that isn't happening in a million years. If anything he'd hit himself with it.

No one besides those idiots who haven't read Dragon Ball can say otherwise. Yes, I know there are a lot of you out there

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Lmao at Sasuke doing anything to Raditz. Raditz is too strong and too fast for Sasuke and his Gen Jutsu doesn´t work against him. I give Sasuke solid 5 seconds before Raditz oneshot him.

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Raditz destroys him. Boruto has been horrible with constant retcons and disregard to kishimoto original story and scaling.

The OP clearly mentions Naruto Shippuden , Raditz can't even scratch that version of Sasuke or Naruto , let alone beat.

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#17  Edited By OmniReal

@maulsmacker: Lmao at small planet ki blast only scratching Sasuke. It would one shot 99,99999% of the Naruto-verse.

OT: Raditz curbstomps with low diff

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#18  Edited By MaulSmacker

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Lmao at small planet ki blast only scratching Sasuke.

Nope , Raditz does not have any Small planet level attacks , his power level is not even two thousand meanwhile you need around Ten Thousands to Have Planetary Power , raditz has moon+ attacks behind his blasts , Naruto already negged GWRE , same GWRE is calced at around moon+ level for overpowering the Moon's gravitational binding Energy and sending the halves flying at many mach speedand this Naruto was drained and in a weak form and was few stomp gaps below Indra Susanoo Sasuke.

It would one shot 99,99999% of the Naruto-verse.

would not even seriously harm any relevant God tier of the verse , the power raditz can increase from his entire body is what Toneri can release for hours while fighting his superior in form of Naruto , thats right Toneri was moving the moon the entire time fighting Naruto which was calced at moon-planet level , which is raditz's level in general

OT: Raditz curbstomps with low diff

Sasuke clears the entire Saiyan Saga , even the Last Naruto does and that was a drained Bijuu Sage Mode Naruto , one rasengan with suffecient Attack Potency and Internal Power is all it takes really.

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@maulsmacker: Raditz has small planet level DC and AP via scaling. He destroy Sasuke.

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Not even a remotely fair fight. Raditz won't even toy with him because of how low his power level is and has much better speed feats by scaling him to the Special Beam Cannon. Which was faster than the energy wave Piccolo used to obliterate the moon from Earth.

Also an attack that obliterated the moon only burned managed to burn off Raditz leg hairs.

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#21  Edited By MaulSmacker
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@maulsmacker: Raditz has small planet level DC and AP via scaling. He destroy Sasuke.

Nobodoy in Dragonball has small planet level AP till Saiyan Saga Vegeta , they are all above Moon Busting , in addition None till Vegeta could even react to sasuke as Lightspeed is treated as weaksauce by the Narutoverse , in addition Sasuke has planet+ feats while exhausted from fighting Madara and kaguya back to back.

The Six Path Chibaku Tensei Feat

Naruto Shippuden Manga Chapter 690

What timeframe will i take? Well let's see

On page 7we can see the CT has stopped a few hundred meters above the TB and is forming into a moon

On page 9at the bottom right we can see the CT is still relatively close, hasn't really moved from it's position as it is still forming.

And on page 10, bam, the moon gets sent 2000+ kilometers away with Naruto literally in the same position as when he threw the zetsu arm on page 9

The Naruto Shippuden Manga : Chapter 690

The Naruto Shippuden Manga : Chapter 690

as you can see the distance netween planet and moon beomes higher then Moon Diameter , so atleast 3400 km

I will use 5 seconds to 15 seconds as timeframes as Naruto is basically in the same position as the feat occurs and ends

High End : 1.71088E+34 J ( Base Line Large Planetary ) = 8.5E+33 Joules for Naruto and Sasuke individually ( Planet+ level )

Low End : KE = 1.8195914153052E+33 J ( Planet+ level ) = 9.3E+32 Joules for Naruto and sasuke individually ( Planet level )

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@maulsmacker: Raditz is nearly 4 times the power of Piccolo who vaporize the moon. You need small planet level energy into vaporized the moon. By scaling Raditz is small planet level DC and AP. Raditz is also relativistic in speed so he not getting blitz. Also no one scales to kaguya gokudama so that a moot point.

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@lordragoon said:

@maulsmacker: Raditz has small planet level DC and AP via scaling. He destroy Sasuke.

Nobodoy in Dragonball has small planet level AP till Saiyan Saga Vegeta , they are all above Moon Busting , in addition None till Vegeta could even react to sasuke as Lightspeed is treated as weaksauce by the Narutoverse , in addition Sasuke has planet+ feats while exhausted from fighting Madara and kaguya back to back.

Raditz was mid diffing 2 moon busters. How is he not small planetary?

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#24  Edited By MaulSmacker

@lordragoon:

Raditz is nearly 4 times the power of Piccolo who vaporize the moon. You need small planet level energy into vaporized the moon.

pretty blatant headcanon here at play , first of all there is no evidence the moon was vaporized , it wasn't visible but from 384,000 kilometers even violent fragmentation or pulverizarion would make it not visible , in addition even vaporizing it with the feat does not yeild any results above moon level so I don't see where you are getting either from.

Vegeta being Planet level was portrayed as a massive event, and planet-busting is still a huge benchmark in Dragon Ball in the fight between Goku and Frieza, which is further reiteratedby Bird Stuido Guides(see here for why they're canon).

. Raditz is also relativistic in speed so he not getting blitz.

dude , freaking Orochimaru blitzed a Naruto who was dodging Photons while being offguard and point blank , are you seriously gonna brag about relativistic speed.

Also no one scales to kaguya gokudama so that a moot point.

I am talking about the Six Paths Chibaku Tensei from Naruto and sasuke , not the Eternal Truth Seeker Orb.

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Raditz was mid diffing 2 moon busters. How is he not small planetary?

Raditz is not planet level for a plethora of reasons , first of all Moon level starts at 29 exatons , small planet starts at 433 exatons so the gap between Moon level and small planet is already pretty large , adding onto it Raditz being small Planetary also contradicts the statement regarding power level of 10,000 being needed for Planetary power and finally , the series never even remotely implied that and early Dragonball was extremely blunt with its feats and statements , look at Piccolo's moon bust and Vegeta's gallick gun statement for example and Planetary Raditz undermines Vegeta's gallick gun.

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@maulsmacker: That calc results would be enough to bust a planet like Mercury which is a small planet. If the moon was fragmented or pulverized like you claim after time a ring of dust would be circulating the planet which never happened. The sixth path chibaku tensi is a shared feat needing both naruto and Sasuke. Naruto is not in this battle. The 10k power level needing to bust a planet is referring to a planet like earth which is bigger than Mercury.

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@lordragoon: Sasuke looks at Raditz and kills him with a Genjutsu that dwarfs Tsukuyomi in tier. Tsukuyomi being something that outright killed people by turning their brains into mush.

Raditz is also a slow ass. Sasuke just blitzes and decaps him tbh.

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#27  Edited By MaulSmacker

@lordragoon:

That calc results would be enough to bust a planet like Mercury which is a small planet.

I literally posted the calculation and it did not yeild any results like Small planet , even with the vaporization headcanonical calculation we did not get a result close to small planet level at all even with Vaporization headcanon the result was multiple times off Even the most baseline Small Planetary power. I am gonna be real and tell you even with vaporization this feat is pretty fodder to Toneri passively moving the moon for an entire hour which is 32 zettatons which is a whopping 1094 times above Normal Moon level and 73 times above the power level of Baseline small planet level , all this is done via a guy multiple stomp gaps below this sasuke , while he was fighting a superior and was doing all his passively , don't believe in calcs? Toneri was moving the moon fast enough to cause complete planetary Anhilation of the Naruto Planet confirming atleast Passive Planetary Telekenesis for Tonerin, the size of the Naruto planet furthur amplified the feat

If the moon was fragmented or pulverized like you claim after time a ring of dust would be circulating the planet which never happened.

thats under the assumption that Kishimoto gives feats that much detail , logically the entire civilization should have collapsed due to the destruction of the moon by the time the Saiyan duo showed up but that clearly didn't happen as Kishimoto is a writer , not a scientist.

The sixth path chibaku tensi is a shared feat needing both naruto and Sasuke. Naruto is not in this battle.

thats why clearly the results were split into two and the results were Planet+ level each and thats with a slight lowball , I could have increased the result either way via just using the fact that Kakashi's novel makes it so that Earth radiuses aren't visible on Naruto Planets , the distance between an almost indistiguishable distance was three days of travel from horse speed Shinobis , around 7000 kilometers of distance is indistiguishable and as shown later , its confirmed Toneri was moving the moon fast enough to cause complete anhilation of such a massive planet , by same method the distance between Redaku and Leaf is 40,000 km and the distance between leaf and sand is much more then the distance between Redaku and leaf , overall resulting in a massive massive planet.

The 10k power level needing to bust a planet is referring to a planet like earth which is bigger than Mercury.

it is stated that the 10,000 power level is needed to destroy a planet , not specified the size at all, thats just an assumption at your end , the power level of 10,000 is what Toriyama considers to be Planet level power , everyone below that just has vague scaling chains over moon level power achieved via extremely standard moon busting.

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Raditz is also extremely weak to cutting attack like all Saiyan Saga characters. Just look at what Yajirobei did, lewl.

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Raditz does not have charka so genjutsu does not work. It already been retcon were everything has charka in narutoverse. Dbz character can Amp their body with ki increasing their durability.

@lordragoon: Sasuke looks at Raditz and kills him with a Genjutsu that dwarfs Tsukuyomi in tier. Tsukuyomi being something that outright killed people by turning their brains into mush.

Raditz is also a slow ass. Sasuke just blitzes and decaps him tbh.

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#30  Edited By MaulSmacker

@lordragoon:

Raditz does not have charka so genjutsu does not work. It already been retcon were everything has charka in narutoverse

the idea that Genjutsu requires chakra in the opposition is nothing other then Lies and falsehood spread by people who don't have any counters for Genjutsu, and don't bother , because I quite literally have already debunked every single argument you could possibly make from here.

Dbz character can Amp their body with ki increasing their durability.

they never displayed any good piercing resistance , so there is no reason to assume a Black Chidori to the Heart wouldn't kill any Saiyan saga character , forget Raditz, immediately.

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#31  Edited By Lordragoon

@maulsmacker: Literally canon statements >>> your head canon.

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#32  Edited By Havoc99

>claims planet level Toneri using a random VSBW calc

>VSBW doesn't even have Toneri at that level

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Toneri_%C5%8Ctsutsuki?so=search

LOL

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sasuke stomps

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Raditz was no diffing actual moon busting level characters lol. One shots.

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@maulsmacker: Literally canon statements your head canon.

assuming its about the genjutsu part , Your " canon " statements do exist but they do not mean what one might want them to mean and there is no " statements " , there is a statement from a Jiraiya who even gets where the chakra flows incorrect ( He says nerves when it flows in chakra networks ) and in addition , a proper reading of the said statement already debunks its misinterpretated meaning , so No , thar Jiraiya statement or any other statement in the series in fact does not support your argument in the slightest meanwhile a ton of the verse debunks your argument.

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@havoc99: oh what do we got here , there is no need to be so scared of tagging , I won't bite.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Toneri_%C5%8Ctsutsuki?so=search

Vs Battles wiki has made it very clear that they don't operate on the basis of calcs and pre existing scaling chains but on what the mods actually want , an example would be Bleach getting to Practically every single tier every two months while verses like Dragonball and such being stuck at one places , what gets accepted and what does not have nothing to do with the validity of the calcs at all , until you have a potent debunk for the calc , you're not doing much except using false equivalency because vs battles wiki sure as hell doesn't have raditz at planet level , the usage of vs battles calc is prominent because it is , by fae and away, the site with the most calcers and as your bias have completely blinded you from seeing , canon supports a similar result for the said calc Toneri was moving the moon fast enough to cause complete planetary Anhilation of the Naruto Planet confirming atleast Passive Planetary Telekenesis for Tonerin, the size of the Naruto planet furthur amplified the feat

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@maulsmacker: It Literally stated charka needs to be injected into a person to perform genjutsu. Raditz does not have charka and energy is not equal. Only infinit tsukuyomi which reflects rinnesharigan from moon is able to cast genjutsu on people that don't have charka.

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#38  Edited By TakenStew22

@maulsmacker: Earth is above small planetary, small planetary is usually depicted as something like Mercury or even Mars. I'm not getting your argument here tbh.

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Raditz stomps. More speed, DC, AP, all.

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you can already scale Raditz to above lightspeed with him being able to side step Piccolo's best attacks with ease

he also no sells attacks that can completely vaporize moons (small planet AP)

no reason to think or believe Sasuke survives

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@lordragoon:

: It Literally stated charka needs to be injected into a person to perform genjutsu. Raditz does not have charka and energy is not equal.

that does not mean anything at all , ofcourse you need to use your own chakra to use Genjutsu , the same way Raditz needs to use his own Ki to attack someone , what you're trying to imply is just because energies aren't equal their energies won't have any effect , saying that Naruto characters have to use chakra to use Genjutsu so they can't use it on Raditz as the energies aren't equalized is the equivalent to saying that Raditz cannot effect anyone in Naruto with Ki Blasts because energies aren't equalized.

Only infinit tsukuyomi which reflects rinnesharigan from moon is able to cast genjutsu on people that don't have charka

Nobody in Narutoverse PASSIVELY has chakra , they all have the Ability to make chakra , as my blog already showed but you ofcourse didn't read anything , the chakra networks are empty until Chakra control is used to combine the energies that make up the stamina , aka the physical and mental Energies and create chakra , without chakra control everyone has spiritual/mental energies and physical energies but due to know knowledge of how to combine them , they can't actually have chakra running through their Networks , so the Genjutsu that put the stadium to sleep in The Chunin exams works too because there is no evidence those random people had chakra control , and that was some basic Genjutsu that wasn't even named.

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#42  Edited By MaulSmacker
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@maulsmacker: Earth is above small planetary, small planetary is usually depicted as something like Mercury or even Mars. I'm not getting your argument here tbh.

Nah I was saying more akin to that Moon level starts at 29 exatons and small planet level starts at 443 exatons , Now I don't perfectly remember what Vs Battles Wiki uses as small planet level but IIRC it was Mercury, so even in busting moon and mercury , there can be a 15 time gap so Goku/Piccolo and Raditz can stay in Moon+ range as Raditz was stronger then them but certainly not 15 times stronger.

not to mention Raditz being Moon+ level is much more consistant with statements like a power level of 10,000 being needed for Planetary power , or the Potrayal of the Gallick Gun overall.

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@maulsmacker:

Toneri's feat has been calced so numerous times, and it's always somewhere between the hundreds of exatons and single digit zettatons. All you did was choose the calc that fits your narrative.

And planetary annihilation is very vague. There's nothing there that suggests a hollow moon was going to blow up the Earth

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@maulsmacker: You can use your head canon and mental gymnastics all you want but on panel canon statements >>> your head canon. Only IT can cast genjutsu on raditz which Sasuke does not have.

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@havoc99:

Toneri's feat has been calced so numerous times,

yes due to multiple factors such as the lack of a concrete time frame , debates surrounding the Naruto moon and peopoe generally coping about the Narutoverse having a Legit Planet level feat.

and it's always somewhere between the hundreds of exatons and single digit zettatons.

thats the result when people either attempt to use things such as Pixelscaling , vague timeframe assumptions and such , this calcs works differently and thus yeilds much more realistic meassures while also not completely invalidating the other calcs as the other calcs and this could stand as solo feats rather then the same feat with two calcs.

All you did was choose the calc that fits your narrative.

nope , a rather pathetic false accusation If I am being straight with you here buddy , the calc works better as it works on the basis of slowing down and Overpowering the Moon's rotational energies , not around the moon being pushed in a straight line , the feat of slowing down the Rotational speed of the moon or full blown stopping it , isn't related to moon being pushed toward the planet either way , come again.

And planetary annihilation is very vague.

not really , there is a complete behind the statement , one would just occam's razor and come to the logical deduction its talking the destruction of an entire planet , or one would go full copium mode and write fanfictions that belong on some cringe fanfiction site , its really the choice of the person at that point.

There's nothing there that suggests a hollow moon

the hollow moon headcanon in 2022? the moon is literally made from a powerful gravitational force being summoned on the top of a planet , the only spaces made are for the Hamura clan to live , a clan doesn't need billions of kilometers to live as thats the volume of the moon , even assuming Hamura was a real stallion and had a thousand kids , it would still not come close to the outlandish results you're implying.

was going to blow up the Earth

not only did Toneri say countless times in the film , almost nine that he is gonna destroy earth , even gave the result which was Earth being turned into ashes and such , I already posted proof in front of you.

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@lordragoon:

You can use your head canon

again , I am just saying what the canon actually says going against your intentionally tampered versions of basic English statements from Jiraiya from Part I where he says retconned stuff like chakra running in nerves and stuff.

and mental gymnastics

nobody here is playing mental gymanstics buddy , I am just telling you what the canon dictates and you're preffering to go by what you're fanon dictates ovee what the canon dictates.

all you want but on panel canon statements >>> your head canon.

the idea that Genjutsu requires chakra in the opposition is nothing other then Lies and falsehood spread by people who don't have any counters for Genjutsu, and don't bother ,because I quite literally have already debunked every single argument you could possibly make from here.

Only IT can cast genjutsu on raditz which Sasuke does not have.

this , is also headcanon , there was no statement in the series implying only IT has this special property

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@maulsmacker: LMAO how is Raditz gping to get genjutsu if he does not have charka? Every one in the narutoverse has charka and this was already proven before boruto were the world tree sent it roots to grab everyone on the planet and absorb them of their charka to make the charka fruit. Again charka needs to be injected into the apponent to put them in genjutsu. You can use mental gymnastics all you want but nothing changes since canon > head canon 😆.

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@lordragoon:

LMAO how is Raditz gping to get genjutsu if he does not have charka?

because in the decades of Naruto , there is no statement even remotely implying that without chakra one cannot be effected without Genjutsu , its just some random headcanon you're making and trying to cop out everytime you are asked to bring evidence on the table.

Every one in the narutoverse has charka

this is contradicted by the fact we have literally seen empty chakra networks until the person uses chakra control and creates chakra , in zaku's case we have seen the chakra is only build at the spot where the upcoming Jutsu is going to be released from , anything else is just headcanon to be real with you.

and this was already proven before boruto were the world tree sent it roots to grab everyone on the planet and absorb them of their charka to make the charka fruit.

this does not mean anything , chakra at its base form is just a culmination of spiritual and physical energy to create a non physical form of Energy , nothing dictates that already made chakra is being absorbed as the energies to make chakra is in all beings and the divine tree Simply could just mix the already present energies and create new powerful chakra.

Again charka needs to be injected into the apponent to put them in genjutsu.

Genjutsu works on a Spiritual level as shown by Sasuke's soul using Genjutsu on Orochimaru's soul inside a non physical plane , sasuke being stated to be capable of controlling the Nine tails fox Soul , Chakra being spiritual in nature and such , there is no evidence that the other person needs chakra for Genjutsu to work , Sasuke adds chakra in Raditz's soul and then proceeds to make him a puppet , or just slice him in life,or just rip out the soul , or just absorb the energy , yeah in versatility Raditz is no match.

You can use mental gymnastics

you're false accusations are not even gonna hurt a five year old toddler if thats your extent buddy.

all you want but nothing changes since canon > head canon 😆

yes canon > Headcanon and this is why your fan theory of raditz resisting Genjutsu because of having no chakra is invalidated.

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#49  Edited By Omega7373663

@maulsmacker: isn't Tsukuyomi a type of Genjutsu that attack the Brain directly and it doesn't require chakra?

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@maulsmacker: isn't Tsukuyomi a type of Genjutsu that attack the Brain directly and it doesn't require chakra?

It does require Itachi's chakra , like in the Izumi scene where he kills his girlfriend with just Tsukuyomi it says it took a lot of chakra to pull it off , however it should be noted that Izumi just died after living her life and the databook somewhat Implied Itachi anhilated her soul , which supports what I daid earlier regerding Genjutsu working via using chakra on a spiritual level.