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Bloodlust on

Take place in Wano

Post ts Zoro and Sanji

Arrancar arc Ichigo

No prep

No knowledge

Who wins ?

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Which Ichigo from Arrancar arc?

Pre Ulquiorra fight Ichigo loses

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Any Ichigo from that arc bar Full Hollow/Vasto Lorde/whatever you wanna call the form that fought Ulq loses pretty badly.

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#5 Gilateen  Online

Team Stomps this version

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So basically FKT Ichigo vs Zoro and Sanji? Probably team, Ichigo may be faster but team has better output, strength and precognition.

VL would beat the team

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VL Ichigo would effortlessly stomps most of the verse

Post-Ulquiorra fight Ichigio could win High Diff

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FTK Ichigo wins.

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@shirso said:

So basically FKT Ichigo vs Zoro and Sanji? Probably team, Ichigo may be faster but team has better output, strength and precognition.

VL would beat the team

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@shirso said:

So basically FKT Ichigo vs Zoro and Sanji? Probably team, Ichigo may be faster but team has better output, strength and precognition.

VL would beat the team

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Why do One Piece Cucks always Limit the opposing Character while OP Characters have everything lol. Your seriously comparing a 15 year old to 2 21 year olds lol.

Ichigo at age 17 saved the world for the second time against a God of all Hax Juha Bach or Johova(Ywach orLiterally god himself).

Ichigo stomps effortlessly with True Shikai alone wether you like it or not.

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#13  Edited By the_alchemist01

Why do One Piece Cucks always Limit the opposing Character while OP Characters have everything lol. Your seriously comparing a 15 year old to 2 21 year olds lol.

Ichigo at age 17 saved the world for the second time against a God of all Hax Juha Bach or Johova(Ywach orLiterally god himself).

Ichigo stomps effortlessly with True Shikai alone wether you like it or not.

why so salty tho?

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On topic... Zoro solos.

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FKT ichigo loses. He can take em 1v1 but would lose to both IMO.

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He beats either 1v1 but he loses against both, he’s fast but they have the strength and speed to keep up and take the win

@the_grandmaster_ the guy who made this knows ichigo wins with stronger forms so he picked one who would be a closer fight, it’s how makingmaking works, he didn’t take anything from ichigo like speed equalized or something like that he just made him fkt ichigo. It’s the same as threads making Naruto bsm or goku Saiyan saga

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#18  Edited By SkySanji

Either Zoro or Sanji solo

they would get beat even as a team against Vl Ichigo for now though.

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@skysanji: Eh with the increased damage output from Enma as well as the fact that it will make all his attacks amped with Ryou, I can see Zoro taking a majority.

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#21  Edited By ovy7

Eh, it's quite "hard" to debate for HM Ichigo, IMHO, mostly because he doesn't have than many DC feats. Scaling from SS arc and from the Espada can get you somewhere, but what's really amping him the most are the statements for Gran Rey Cero and Cero Oscuras (the statements being that both are strong enough to destroy Las Noches). The problem is that most people don't like those statements, and that's where my problem with HM Ichigo is at, as with just his feats you don't have much impressive shit, but with the statements you get a concrete lvl of power but some people won't like that.

Edit: tho feats and scaling from something like Memories of Nobody (which is canon btw) could help. I'm talking about stuff like Kenpachi's feat or Ichigo's own Getsuga being like hill lvl in just Shikai (which shouldn't be an outlier considering that in SS arc he made quite a hole in the Shokugoku Hill).

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Ichigo after ulquiorra's fight? Team high diff

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Duo.

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#24  Edited By AlexTheBoss

@skysanji: The team should win, but post Ulquiorra fight Ichigo with his mask is pretty powerful. I think Zoro can take him in a pure duel, but he would be overpowered by a full power getsiga tenshou. So as long as they can avoid those, I think the team as a solid chance. I don’t see Sanji soloing though.

So no, my opinion hasn’t really changed, but it might after we see what they are made of in the upcoming fight.

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probably ichigo. one piece mad weak. not sure where people pulling this nonsense for those characters. zoro pass out from one stab wound lool

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@skysanji: @alextheboss:shikia ichgio has a moutian level feat in the SS arc

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It dwafed the sokyoku which is already 80m

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So this a mismtach he stomps

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Arrancar arc ?

Pre Ulqiorra fight masked bankai Ichigo (Grimmjow fight) can low to mid diff them if all start in base .

VL Ichigo solos the verse.

FKT Arc Bankai Ichigo mid or high diff or the duo take it really high diff.

Grimmjow fight masked bankai ichigo have much better reaction speed than the duo , he reacted to a gran rey cero wich caused :

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@undre: how in the world is that mountain level? The stand is still visible and we only see smoke nothing destroyed even with the smoke the feat isn’t only building level, lmao

you call that mountain level but every other verse has “only 80 meter Mountains dued“

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Zoro and Sanji wins.

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#30  Edited By Undre

@skysanji: okay kommura in shikia had a moutian level striking. And a weaker aizen noselled it

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The small red line is 80 meters. The long one is 320 or more. Shikia SS arc kommoura is already same level as zoro. And in his bankia is 10x stronger than this. Which again aizen. Over powered him. Yet ichigo was able to damage aizen that puts him above kommura

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#31  Edited By FaradaySloth

That feat isn’t mountain level but to downplay it to building level is an automatic reason that no one should ever take you seriously in anything, ever.

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@ragegod said:

probably ichigo. one piece mad weak. not sure where people pulling this nonsense for those characters. zoro pass out from one stab wound lool

Same zoro barely got a scratch after taking a direct punch from this

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Also pre time skip zoro has tanked and didn't pass out from attacks far worse than a simple stab wound so any character capable of making current zoro pass out from a stab probably packs ridiculous AP

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Either Zoro or Sanji solo stomp.

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@undre: That pillar isn't 80 meters, and even the entire platue they are on is at best the size of a small mountain.

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#35  Edited By AlexTheBoss

@faradaysloth: I mean if you consider a skyscaper a building, it could be building level in size.

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#36  Edited By FaradaySloth

@alextheboss said:

@faradaysloth: I mean if you consider a skyscaper a building, it could be building level in size.

The force Ichigo admitted is impossible to be as low as the building level, regardless of environmental damage

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Wow I don't think some people actually know what a mountain level feat is. Apparently city block(by visuals) level feats are now called mountain level. The soukyoku hill itself is only mountain sized.

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Ichigo... He's much much faster, like really, what quantifiable speed feats do either Sanji or Zoro have that don't require a bunch of ridiculous scaling.

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@el_directo_: @alextheboss:heres a size comparison of what 80 meters looks like

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So yeah it looks like 80m even if your lowball it to 50m its still a 300m cutt at least in length

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Even in comparison to the entrie hill the post still looks like a spec. The hill also sits on top of another structure which is about the same size

Anyway bankia ichgio parted the sky and his clash was same size as the hill which is moutian plus

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@undre: I would say the structure looks more like 50 meters, but the platue is pretty damn big in comparison to it, so that should be at least small mountain sized (300 meters) in height.

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Holy shit Ichigo did indeed part the sky there. And that was in one of his weakest forms. LMAO, that means Kaido's and Big Mom's Wano feat is in the same tier as SS Arc feats. This is just too good

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#42  Edited By SkySanji

LOL what^ this has got to be a joke

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Big mom and Kaidou legit parted clouds just from their physicals an attack that makes the island they are on look like nothing.

meanwhile Ichigo and Byakuya move some clouds due to energy based attacks interacting with them and its comparable to the small mountain they are on

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In conclusion

Vastly Dwarfing an Island>>>>>>>being comparable to a small mountain

Legit parting the clouds in half>>>>> moving some clouds

Physically clashing to preform the feat>>>>>>moving some clouds via energy based attacks moving the clouds For you

Stop these feats are no where near comparable

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#43  Edited By AlexTheBoss

@skysanji: It was their haki clashing that parted the clouds.

That being said @faradaysloth the big Mom and Kaido cloud parting is way more impressive than the Ichigo and Byakuya one.

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@alextheboss: its arguable each time we see a clash via Luffy being the prime example we know Coa is involved ex: Chinjao,Doflamingo with the exception when he and Katakuri used Conquerors and clashed that way but the problem with that is that they didn’t physically clash

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Onigashima is actually really small compared to Wano

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Considering given on the closest distance we have with Wano (Kuri), Onigashima is at best a small island, and the separation is not dwarfing the island lol. It's not as wide, it's just longer in length

That being said @faradaysloth the big Mom and Kaido cloud parting is way more impressive than the Ichigo and Byakuya one.

The only point here is to show that they are indeed in the same tier/league (not getting into an A>B debate here), there's little to no differences between them, it blatantly shows that Kaido can't compete with Ichigo's top forms if a fraction of the latter's power is clearly similar to the former's feat.

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Same tier? Little to no difference? Dude is in denial.

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@faradaysloth: They are definitely not in the same tier. Kaido is at least around released Yammy/R2 Ulquiorra level in power.

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#48  Edited By Captain_Redfists

Either way SS arc Bankai Ichigo is > HM bankai when he was getting shit on by Grimmjow. We don't really know if Hollow mask (during the Grimmjow fight) is as or stronger than SS arc Bankai Ichigo. Would really have to power scale off of Byakuya during that arc to see something more quantifiable.

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@faradaysloth: They are definitely not in the same tier. Kaido is at least around released Yammy/R2 Ulquiorra level in power.

At full strength? Yeah, I guess so. It's certainly possible.

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@alextheboss: It’s a good thing you said at least because Luffy who got ridiculed Kaidou would stomp those characters you’ve mentioned.