Sanctuary II's Multiple Blue Blasters vs JL Superman

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Poll Sanctuary II's Multiple Blue Blasters vs JL Superman (41 votes)

Superman is dead 22%
Superman tanks it then mid diff Thanos's Ship 15%
Superman is knocked out cold 10%
Those cute little tiny blasters ain't doing jack, Superman one-shots Foddernos's Ship 54%
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Supes is bloodlusted. He replaces Carol in the scene.

Cap: "Mr. Kent we need an assist here."

Clark:" Roger that Steve."

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I'm pretty sure this has been done

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Sanctuary II missiles aren't doing anything. Literally not a single thing significant.

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A weakened Superman below normal levels flew right through the World Engine beam.

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The beam was strong enough to obliterate entire city blocks and skyscrapers, and displace millions of tons of water under the activation of the WE.

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Superman no sells like carol did, flying through world engine beats those bullets who can only toss Wanda and Peter a few feet

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#5  Edited By Ccbm2208

You can replace those blue blasts with the far better torpedoes used to create the crater around the Avengers's base and they still wouldn't do anything to Clark . The only arsenal that Sanctuary 2 has that could hurt or potentially kill Superman are those massive nuclear war heads that it drops on planets.None of the close range artilery can do anything to Supe.

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Those blue blast one shot Leviathans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69gBreW1NKk

Just watch this video lol. Those are incredibly powerful. Like each one can imo level a building at least.

Superman probably isn't getting knocked out but he isn't no selling like CM. He is taking damage from it and is liable to get ping ponged.

Also he isn't going threw Sanctuary 2. It is the size of a sizable mountain all things considered. He isn't driving threw it. Especially considering it should scale above drop pods in durability.

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@ccbm2208 said:

You can replace those blue blasts with the far better torpedoes used to create the crater around the Avengers's base and they still wouldn't do anything to Clark . The only arsenal that Sanctuary 2 has that could hurt or potentially kill Superman are those massive nuclear war heads that it drops on planets.None of the close range artilery can do anything to Supe.

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Those blue blast one shot Leviathans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69gBreW1NKk

Just watch this video lol. Those are incredibly powerful. Like each one can imo level a building at least.

Superman probably isn't getting knocked out but he isn't no selling like CM. He is taking damage from it and is liable to get ping ponged.

Also he isn't going threw Sanctuary 2. It is the size of a sizable mountain all things considered. He isn't driving threw it. Especially considering it should scale above drop pods in durability.

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Captain Marvel seemed to have protective energy shield that blocked all the blasts.

Supes has to take them physically. Should manage IMO.

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Those shots bruised Thor, Supes is KO’d 2-3 shots in and a bloody mess if he has to take everything Carol did

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Superman no sells these blasts, his durability is better than Thor and captain marvel

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#14  Edited By rajjarsalt

@kryptonianking88 said:

Those shots bruised Thor, Supes is KO’d 2-3 shots in and a bloody mess if he has to take everything Carol did

When did this happen?

OT: The guy got KOed by a GAU-8 and felt 50 cals like a human would feel high velocity baseballs would never be able to rep this feat.

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@kryptonianking88: Yeah but that's the big warhead while these are railguns from the wings

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@kryptonianking88: lol a boulder also damaged him, his blunt force durability isn't exactly impressive.

OT: These things were landing in close proximity to people like rocket, they're not doing anything

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#18  Edited By rajjarsalt

@DammeFavour: Yeah but if one Thor hit another Thor with a boulder the other Thor would still get hurt. Context matters.

And a bullet can land in close proximity to Rocket, so they won't do anything as well, right?

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#19  Edited By DammeFavour

@rajjarsalt: you really need to learn physics. That would only matter if that thor was smashing him over the head not from a distance. The moment it left kurse's hands, it completely became a question of f=ma

You understand you're not making any real point right? A bullet? What do you think happens if a mortar lands in close proximity to you? Leviathans are not exactly uber durable, it one missile to obliterate the armor

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@rajjarsalt: you really need to learn physics. That would only matter if that thor was smashing him over the head not from a distance. The moment it left kurse's hands, it completely became a question of f=ma

You understand you're not making any real point right? A bullet? What do you think happens if a mortar lands in close proximity to you?

Those aren't mortar shells.

But I see you are applying visual speed. You're using F=ma

In which case...

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@rajjarsalt: exactly mortar shells would be way more devastating landing near rocket or wanda.

Are you actually making a point? What do you think it's the point of calcs on the site? We just imagine its greater than what we're seeing because reasons?

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Smh Leviathans are not impressive durability wise. They tanked one Iron Man laser and were stated to be durable by... The Vulture. Nothing more.

Oh and broke through skyscrapers, as if concrete and steel beams are good things to scale off of.

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@kryptonianking88: @money_brings_happiness: lol Clark can’t go through sanctuary? We’ve seen a larger ship burst from a cloud fall lol. Superman already fell through a mountain with no damage imaging him flying a top speed he go clean through one like butter lol your low ball is stupid.

Size does not equal durability not to mention that ship contain city block size space ships 100s of Leviathans which are practically the size of blue whales meaning it’s city blocks level of open room inside of the ship it’s no consistent metal throughout like a mountain would be solid rock through and through.

World engine dropped from space and destroyed a mountain like a mile away that impact force is insane the drop pods only displace a couple of trees come on now and supes while weakened and fighting the force of the beam 1 shotted that.

KK your a clown a bloody pulp? Lol Clark durability is tiers above Thor’s. Ultron made him bleed by slapping him around and throwing him through a pillar, kurse rock had him bloody and bouta pass out, Arthur got slapped through giant pillars by karathen and didn’t have so much as a hair outta place, Clark got hit with a train thrown from a mile away and didn’t have a scratch on him. The hate for Clark runs deep.

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@rajjarsalt: exactly mortar shells would be way more devastating landing near rocket or wanda.

Are you actually making a point? What do you think it's the point of calcs on the site? We just imagine its greater than what we're seeing because reasons?

I'm implying that your point is asinine because you're not holding up the same standards. You use visual speed to evaluate the Kurse rock throw and then you ignore visual speed when it comes to bullrushes.

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#25  Edited By rajjarsalt

@allhellkingdox: Ronan's Dark Aster broke through that building, lol. The shattered chunks were from that building it cut through. Plus, downscaling Thanos through the Kree? How desperate can you get?

"Size does not = durability" then why wank that hill sized mountain? And the "destroyed" mountain of the WE?

And how about ignoring all of Thor's visually impressive feats? I guess if 616 Thor gets beat up by World Breaker Hulk in a fight that visually damages nothing, he stops being planetary.

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@DammeFavour said:

@rajjarsalt: exactly mortar shells would be way more devastating landing near rocket or wanda.

Are you actually making a point? What do you think it's the point of calcs on the site? We just imagine its greater than what we're seeing because reasons?

I'm implying that your point is asinine because you're not holding up the same standards. You use visual speed to evaluate the Kurse rock throw and then you ignore visual speed when it comes to bullrushes.

Also I'm implying that you've kinda missed on what S2 is firing. They are a completely different attack from missiles and mortars. 2 guesses left.

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I love how Snyderbots love lowballing "flying thru buildings" until it's a debate with MoS characters

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#28  Edited By DammeFavour

@rajjarsalt: lol how is it asinine? The boulder has defined dimensions with a particular mass with a particular speed and you're comparing it to 2 people so dense that a fall from terminal velocity couldn't be stopped by a mountain.

Stop reaching mate, s2 only fired one type of weapon that day, the same cannons that shot rain fire shot at captain marvel. And like I said those same projectiles landed in close proximity to wanda and rocket. No one said they were mortar shells. I said mortar shells landing in close proximity to rocket or wanda would do much more

Point is you can replicate the boulder throw independently because we have enough data to go by and mate, it's a movie, unless indicated otherwise we go by what we see. Its almost like you want to claim the boulder was moving at supersonic speed but we are just too blind to see it

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@kryptonianking88: @money_brings_happiness: lol Clark can’t go through sanctuary? We’ve seen a larger ship burst from a cloud fall lol. Superman already fell through a mountain with no damage imaging him flying a top speed he go clean through one like butter lol your low ball is stupid.

Sanctuary 2 scales above drop pods. Sanctuary 2 lowballing is literally four times bigger than the WE. Your lowball falls on deaf ears. It is a multi city block feat easily if not superior. If you want to mention the Dark Aster well also mention it no sold hundreds of thousands of missiles and bullets during the final battle of Guardians of the Galaxy. And considering the Dark Aster was given to Ronan by Thanos then Sanctuary 2 should logically be its superior.

Size does not equal durability not to mention that ship contain city block size space ships 100s of Leviathans which are practically the size of blue whales meaning it’s city blocks level of open room inside of the ship it’s no consistent metal throughout like a mountain would be solid rock through and through.

Lol mountains of its size weigh tens of billions of tons. Metal is heavier then rock. Even assuming it is straight hollow the frame is literally tens of millions of tons. Since we see inside of it in Endgame and Infinity war and their is stone rock and steel everywhere 50 million tons of metal is a lowball. 100-200 million tons is more appropriate.

World engine dropped from space and destroyed a mountain like a mile away that impact force is insane the drop pods only displace a couple of trees come on now and supes while weakened and fighting the force of the beam 1 shotted that.

Supes hit the exposed beam of the engine. The beam increases the mass of the matter it touches. Superman weighs like 200 pounds. It didn't affect him that much the Kryptonian atmosphere is what affected him to an unknown degree. The Sanctuary 2 barrage >>> WE beam. Sanctuary 2 as a whole >>> the WE feat which is the only feat Superman has on this scale. His next best bullrushing feats aren't even city block level. CM on the other hand also has the Accuser ship feat which is well into the city block level range.

KK your a clown a bloody pulp? Lol Clark durability is tiers above Thor’s. Ultron made him bleed by slapping him around and throwing him through a pillar, kurse rock had him bloody and bouta pass out, Arthur got slapped through giant pillars by karathen and didn’t have so much as a hair outta place, Clark got hit with a train thrown from a mile away and didn’t have a scratch on him. The hate for Clark runs deep.

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Lol Clark durability is tiers above Thor’s. Ultron made him bleed by slapping him around and throwing him through a pillar,

Not every verse has two physical peers not do any bit of damage to each other like Snyder's DCEU does. Ultron was roughing up Thor because he was stronger, that doesn't make Thor weak Ultron just scales above Thor in strength at least.

kurse rock had him bloody and bouta pass out,

Same as above.

Arthur got slapped through giant pillars by karathen

Same dude got laid out by a grenade launcher, hurt by the force of bullets and a 10 ft fall if you wanna lowball.

Clark got hit with a train thrown from a mile away and didn’t have a scratch on him.

He got KO'd lol. By that same logic, Thor took a small town being near vaporized without a drop of blood.

The hate for Clark runs deep.

DCEU is just weak. "Muh shockwaves! Muh distance!" aside MCU has loads more outliers, visual details, script details to bring up. If DCEU fans put more effort into finding such details maybe there'd be some competition.

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This

Plus superman rocked zods ship with his blitz, cap marvel didnt rock thanos ship.

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@rajjarsalt:

superman rocked zods ship with his blitz, cap marvel didnt rock thanos ship.

Why do you lie wanker?

Yes superman feels pain . And ?

Per the dod scientist nothing penetrated zods corpse. Zod didnt even have a cut, while thor grunts in pain and is bruised in every movie.

Sup wasnt even tinged by dd final aoe. The first aoe vaporized the tops of skyscrapers and 4 apache helicopters.

You fail

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#33  Edited By rajjarsalt

@kryptonianking88: tbf Thor actually did take something of that power and no-sold it in his first film.

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#34  Edited By rajjarsalt
@organic said:

@rajjarsalt:

superman rocked zods ship with his blitz, cap marvel didnt rock thanos ship.

Why do you lie wanker?

Yes superman feels pain . And ?

Per the dod scientist nothing penetrated zods corpse. Zod didnt even have a cut, while thor grunts in pain and is bruised in every movie.

Sup wasnt even tinged by dd final aoe. The first aoe vaporized the tops of skyscrapers and 4 apache helicopters.

You fail

Scientist was lying. I'm sure that large honking penis definitely penetrated Zod's corpse and they were covering it up for some necrophilia up dem cheeks. See how his legs are conveniently together and not gaping apart?

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#35  Edited By rajjarsalt
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@rajjarsalt: lol how is it asinine? The boulder has defined dimensions with a particular mass with a particular speed and you're comparing it to 2 people so dense that a fall from terminal velocity couldn't be stopped by a mountain.

Stop reaching mate, s2 only fired one type of weapon that day, the same cannons that shot rain fire shot at captain marvel. And like I said those same projectiles landed in close proximity to wanda and rocket. No one said they were mortar shells. I said mortar shells landing in close proximity to rocket or wanda would do much more

Point is you can replicate the boulder throw independently because we have enough data to go by and mate, it's a movie, unless indicated otherwise we go by what we see. Its almost like you want to claim the boulder was moving at supersonic speed but we are just too blind to see it

It is asinine, you're calling me out for reaching when it's you who is reaching for Superman's density. You do realize that Superman isn't that dense, right? Isn't it established that he weighs 100 kilograms by BvS?

S2 didn't fire only one type of missile, lol. There was a volley of missiles at first from the hull, and then one missile that blew up the compound and created the crater in which the battle takes place. And the rain fire comes from the wings.

I don't claim the boulder is moving at supersonic speed. If we go by what we see then in those gifs Clark and Zod visibly aren't moving above 50m/s.

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Gets hurt at least

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@rajjarsalt: yes because you know 250 lbs guy that can fall from orbit and still maintain his cellular integrity, and yes as confirmed by the novel, they are denser than normal humans but doesn't seem to extend to their mass even in comics.

Right, I was wrong. But I am correct in claiming the same rain fire is what was fired on Carol, am I wrong?

You do understand I'm not denying their speed in those gifs right? If they were going supersonic there would be an indication, these are characters that generate thousands of tons casually

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@money_brings_happiness: the ship has terrible durability showing and bursted your once carol knocked it out the sky similar to how every ship in mcu does when crashing from terminal velocity or space. Dark aster (Guardians) Sanct 2 (Endgame) Those circle ships from Iw (Titan crash land) this is consistent through out the films. The ship beating heavier then a mountain or metal is irrelevant when it’s not thicker and like I said Clark just fell through that so if he’s flying he goes through it with ease. We saw Clark love tap a hole in black zero no momentum or flight speed needed and that ship durability is above Thanos ships,

If the beam was just doubling the force of weight the buildings would not have been flatten the instant the shockwave covered them the would crumbled gradually to be flatten instantly. Doubling Clark’s weight is non factor he wouldn’t even feel it 400 extra pounds to him is like putting a feather on someone’s back and expect to slow then down. The gravity weakened Clark when he got there the effects happened immediately he did not need to be under the beam to feel the effects so your point is moot, he overpowered the beam gradually the scene was basically showing he had to dig deep to overpower a force which presses with millions of tons of force,

Exposed part? Irrelevant he had to punch or bullrush through a beam which he could barely fly under much less through a punch a full power and he game through the other side showing he busted all the way through remove the beam and him being weakened he flies through the world engine with absolutely ease.

Sanctuary being bigger is irrelevant Clark did his feat with one punch, weakened, and fighting against an opposing force, remove all those factors then add him through a flurry of punches at top speed he does this feat easier than Carol.

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#39  Edited By AllHellKingDox

@kryptonianking88: sigh mcu fans be so desperate for Clark to be Ko’d everytime he gets knocked down and doesn’t get up instantly that’s a K.O lol stop or he’s off screen for 10 seconds, not a K.O.

Ultron being stronger than Thor only proves my point Ultron punches did 0 to Cap or Tony yet he had Thor bleeding and had him choked out with one hand? Come on now lol.

Your Aquaman lowball was pissy he was sent flying back by the grenade launcher he wasn’t hurt at all he even smiled, bullets annoyed Arthur and that’s piercing durability so completely different, Thor has routinely ducked and try to cover From bullets while draped in armor, Aquaman no sold them shirtless, the karathen scene was my evidence to show Arthur has higher blunt force durability then Thor who only has good energy durability.

You didn’t counter the rock argument but that’s expected. And stop saying I’m low balling Thor i used majority of his blunt force durability showing which are all suspect, Ultron, Kurse, Hulk,Thanos, that’s more consistent then anything he has.

DCEU weaker lol yet Captain America a human put up a better fight against the big bag then Thor and Tony could combined and routinely survived punches from Thanos while the latter destroys Hulk and Thor with ease, that’s terrible scaling and power writing. Clark wasn’t close to being ko’d by the train which caught him off guard, he moved it out the way without any damage Thor was busted up by a rock.

Stop crying and concede

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@allhellkingdox said:

@money_brings_happiness: the ship has terrible durability showing and bursted your once carol knocked it out the sky similar to how every ship in mcu does when crashing from terminal velocity or space. Dark aster (Guardians) Sanct 2 (Endgame) Those circle ships from Iw (Titan crash land) this is consistent through out the films. The ship beating heavier then a mountain or metal is irrelevant when it’s not thicker and like I said Clark just fell through that so if he’s flying he goes through it with ease. We saw Clark love tap a hole in black zero no momentum or flight speed needed and that ship durability is above Thanos ships,

It scales above drop pods. Drop pods are really durable. Why are you comparing Sanctuary 2 to the Dark aster which is the inferior ship (and you are also ignoring the fact that the Dark aster no sold everything the Nova core threw at it making it already extremely durable). I have already proven my point that it is really durable. Can you quantify the amount of force necessary to make a hole the size Clark did in black zero. Was it a building level strike a wall level strike just saying he made a whole in black zero proves nothing.

If the beam was just doubling the force of weight the buildings would not have been flatten the instant the shockwave covered them the would crumbled gradually to be flatten instantly. Doubling Clark’s weight is non factor he wouldn’t even feel it 400 extra pounds to him is like putting a feather on someone’s back and expect to slow then down. The gravity weakened Clark when he got there the effects happened immediately he did not need to be under the beam to feel the effects so your point is moot, he overpowered the beam gradually the scene was basically showing he had to dig deep to overpower a force which presses with millions of tons of force,

I never said it just doubled Clarks weight. It could have multiplied Clarks weight by a 100 fold and it still wouldn't be impressive. If you increase a buildings weight by 100 it would have crumbled much quicker and much more devastating than the WE did so even that is a stretch. You can't quantify the beam and to be frank it is literally impossible it made Clark weigh any more then 20k pounds considering it would have had a much greater effect on the buildings if it was increasing the matter's mass by that much. As stated the Kryptonian atmosphere affected Clark way more then the beam considering he started falling out of the sky the second he flew into it. Unquantifiable beam is nothing to Sanctuary's Leviathan one shotting blast never mind an entire barrage of them.

Exposed part? Irrelevant he had to punch or bullrush through a beam which he could barely fly under much less through a punch a full power and he game through the other side showing he busted all the way through remove the beam and him being weakened he flies through the world engine with absolutely ease.

The beam as stated is meaningless and unquantifiable and not impressive. He made a man sized hole into the top portion. As stated can you quantify the amount of force necessary to do this. No you can't. CM actually hit Sanctuary hard enough to shred an actual massive crater where she hit and rip threw a massive portion of the ship. And is on the lower end multi city block level due to the amount of metal destroyed alone. Not even mentioning the fact that Sanctuary 2 as stated scales above these.

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Also your attempts to lowball how devastating these impacts are fall on deaf ears. Sanctuary is made of metals then anything found on Earth going of this.

Sanctuary being bigger is irrelevant Clark did his feat with one punch, weakened, and fighting against an opposing force, remove all those factors then add him through a flurry of punches at top speed he does this feat easier than Carol.

CM also did it with one hit what is your argument here lol. He was weakened to an unknown degree and caused the WE to explode. If you look at all his other bullrushing feats they are all below city block level. The WE feat isn't some super impressive feat. He hit weak point and made it explode. CM hit Sanctuary in the most durable part and ripped straight threw it like a missile shredding it.

Sanctuary 2 being bigger is also relevant as CM destroyed more material. She drove threw a large mountain sized ship with great scaling and destroyed it. Her bullrushes have other feats on this level as well with the accuser ship feat. Clark has one feat even worth mentioning compared to those two and it is only better if you wank Superman to having mountain plus level bullrushes which is frankly ridiculous.

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#41  Edited By organic

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Uhmm

Zods ship survived the aftershocks of kryptons explosion

Sup blitzed through and rocked zods ship.we also know by comparing the integrity after explpsions/crashlanding krytponian ships are far more dureable.

Yes sup blitzes with more force than carol

The world engine impact was so great seimographs throughout the planet registered it. It wiped out the mountain range

Even if we can quantify the world engine beam it clearly surpasses the hulk holding up a a support beam under avengers hq. So we know superman is far stronger than the hulk

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@organic: Judging of your other post you think DCEU Supes is like planet level lol. I would rather not waste my time.

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I like how people actually think Superman's flight comes from his strength.

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@rajjarsalt: yes because you know 250 lbs guy that can fall from orbit and still maintain his cellular integrity, and yes as confirmed by the novel, they are denser than normal humans but doesn't seem to extend to their mass even in comics.

Right, I was wrong. But I am correct in claiming the same rain fire is what was fired on Carol, am I wrong?

You do understand I'm not denying their speed in those gifs right? If they were going supersonic there would be an indication, these are characters that generate thousands of tons casually

Ye denser than a normal human but based on his canon weight he doesn't seem superdense. The novel was written off the script so it's not really as canon as the film is, since no script is equally as canon as the film.

Well I don't believe the Rain Fire rounds r missiles. The smaller missiles S2 uses on the Avengers compound all have visually crafted explosions when they hit the ground suggesting that they detonate, and S2 doesn't. Why might that be the case? Well S2 launchers do look very similar to railguns, cuz you can see 2 rails on each side of the launchers and a blue pulse when each round is shot -

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Ye I guess visual speed wise.

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@rajjarsalt: literally nobody thinks his flight comes from his strength

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@DammeFavour said:

@rajjarsalt: literally nobody thinks his flight comes from his strength

Ehhh the WE beam is passed off as a lifting strength feat and it's annoying CaV wise so even if it was a rare arg I'm only speaking from what I've seen. I only mentioned it since organic said it.

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@organic: Speaking of which, is that you DianaAllmighty?

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@rajjarsalt: because it is a lifting feat and a durability feat. Just being capable of flight won't help

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@DammeFavour:

The only impressive thing about the feat is the durability portion of it but the beam is about as quantifiable as the infinity gauntlet blast Thanos fired at Thor in Wakanda.

We already know he can casually go through kryptonian metal hell he could have heat-visioned the WE from afar similar to what he later did to Zod's ship.

OT: He's hurt by the barrage

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It obliterates and vaporises Superman come on. Its MCU for crying out loud