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Poll Saitama vs Prime Soul King (86 votes)

Saitama 55%
PSK 38%
Stalemate 7%
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Can the god of hst stops Saitama and save HST from being wiped out from existence

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Soul king is not the god of hst and even Naruto stomp him.

OT: Saitama blink stomp

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PSK is a cosmic universal to multiversal being with infinite knowledge and abilities he is more of a Full Power Galactus tier.

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PSK has no battle feeats.His only battle takes place off-screen.

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The only feats from PSK I remember is splitting the original world into 3, but Hell already exsisted, and killing off a planet size hollow

His feats relies on cosmology stuff from the verse which is controversial

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@rdcdesmond: his feat is creating the realm we exist in which is bare minimum universal since we obviously live in a universe, the soul society which mirrors our and is at the very least a galaxy but realistically should be a universe as well, hueco mundo which while not nearly as large is the body of a hollow he killed, the dangai which is a separate time space and sealed off hell. It's honestly not ambiguous at all. A lot of people just don't like it

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@theemperor95: It’s super speculative

Human world is not a universe it is the planet earth

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Soul society is a mirror of human world so it is a mirror of earth size world old man yam can burn down surface overtime it also has a atmosphere and Seiretei is considered the center of it

Even merging or creating all these you wouldn’t get Universe lv

Human world Doesn’t involve mars, Venus, or Jupiter, nor Sun only earth

Soul society doesn’t involve multiple planets either only a mirror size world size of earth

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100% PSK solos the verse, and the HST, even if he‘s wall level in stats.

He has multiple ways to ignore durability, we know he can manipulate matter and can become intangible, and is otherwise unkillable due to the Almighty.

Saitama can do whatever he wants, but saying he one shots PSK is ridiculous, he‘s got multiple levels of immortality.

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Soul king is not the god of hst and even Naruto stomp him.

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Who from Naruto can beat PSK? He’s above the HST entirely?

Saitama can’t punch him, he‘s intangible (his Saketsu allows him to become intangible). If he does punch him, he dies because he has Pernida’s powers (which ignore durability) pick your poison he’s the most haxxed thing and the strongest being the HST has to offer, the final hurdle to not being soloed by the likes of Garou and Saitama.

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#12  Edited By Kalebsmarty156

waiting for saitama to reveal he can even one punch intangible beings.

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@rdcdesmond: lmao earth exists in the world of the living but it in no way only consists of earth. It's literally our world which has a universe. The world of the living as a dimension didn't exist before the soul king created it. Only hell did. Ergo he created the entire dimension including earth. To say otherwise is straight denial

All of those scans/quotes you posted don't even say world of the living which is what the dimension is called. Earth exists in that dimension yes but it's not the only thing that exists in that dimension

Soul society has an entire night sky filled with stars. We see this on panel. Again to say it's only a planet is complete denial. The dimension didn't exist before the soul king created it.

The entire dimension our world exists in is a factual universe. This dimension didn't exist before the soul king created it. So even if you try to lowball and say he didn't create all the stars inside he created a universe sized dimension which is still a universal feat. You keep ignoring how these are entirely separate dimensions. It's not like they are in different solar systems they are completely different dimensions and the size of those dimensions is universal (at the very least world of the living is). He created the entire dimension. We know because it's stated they don't exist beforehand

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1 of them is MFTL and lowballed Star-Solar System level. lowballed. grabbed hyperspace portals, is resistant to cosmic radiation, no-sold a GRB, nuclear explosions, gravity attacks etc.

the other is a featless bum wanked with mental gymnastics powerscaling, dogshit "databook statements", fanfic and headcanon powers

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The one who has insane feats wins

Tip:That aint featless SK

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Look at what they need to go up against opm, it goes to show you Bleach can only fight Naruto and One Piece tiers verse OPM is getting ready to enter Toriko and Dragon Ball Tier if it didn't already.

PSK feats are unquantifiable at best

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#19  Edited By TheEmperor95

PSK lacks a concept of death and can take it away so can someone tell how Saitama wins this? Even if we say soul king is only planetary. Saitama still can't kill him via, causality regen, the almighty and the miracle while the soul king can get equal stats to Saitama via his nerves or reality warping. Saitama has legit no way to counter hax like this yet

Even lowballing SK Saitama still loses

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#21  Edited By DCEU_Buster

Saitama stomps, doesn't matter if he's immortal or not, he'll just get an ass whooping for all of eternity.

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#22  Edited By NinjaRizer

Saitama stomps, doesn't matter if he's immortal or not, he'll just get an ass whooping for all of eternity.

He’s also intangible. Try make an argument now?

Even if he wasn’t, due to his left arm this is what happens when Saitama touches him:

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Which ignores durability. At least try man.

It is impossible that someone with that much hax can simply be a punching bag, especially someone that literally cannot hit LOL

PSK solos the verse, no amount of DC feats will change this unless Saitama can seal him off (he can’t)

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@xebec said:

1 of them is MFTL and lowballed Star-Solar System level. lowballed. grabbed hyperspace portals, is resistant to cosmic radiation, no-sold a GRB, nuclear explosions, gravity attacks etc.

the other is a featless bum wanked with mental gymnastics powerscaling, dogshit "databook statements", fanfic and headcanon powers

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Look at what they need to go up against opm, it goes to show you Bleach can only fight Naruto and One Piece tiers verse OPM is getting ready to enter Toriko and Dragon Ball Tier if it didn't already.

PSK feats are unquantifiable at best

No, it’s not about feats.

I (and many others) know what powers the Soul King has. You DON’T.

Do you want to know? Here:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/ninjarizer/blog/respect-the-prime-soul-king/166163/

He doesn’t NEED to have any more feats. He doesn’t need DC feats.

It sounds odd, but from what we know (not think, know) he neg diffs Saitama. It’s like saying he doesn’t have the Almighty, because he never used it offensively, even though he did use it and we know he has it. He has several absolutely busted abilities.

Saitama can never win, whatever he does.

Also your mistake is thinking PSK cannot fight Toriko level monsters and Dragon Ball level characters (he can, especially the bricks)

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Even at max lowball SK forces a stalemate via The Almighty.

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@futureisbest said:

Look at what they need to go up against opm, it goes to show you Bleach can only fight Naruto and One Piece tiers verse OPM is getting ready to enter Toriko and Dragon Ball Tier if it didn't already.

PSK feats are unquantifiable at best

No, it’s not about feats.

I (and many others) know what powers the Soul King has. You DON’T.

Do you want to know? Here:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/ninjarizer/blog/respect-the-prime-soul-king/166163/

He doesn’t NEED to have any more feats. He doesn’t need DC feats.

It sounds odd, but from what we know (not think, know) he neg diffs Saitama. It’s like saying he doesn’t have the Almighty, because he never used it offensively, even though he did use it and we know he has it. He has several absolutely busted abilities.

Saitama can never win, whatever he does.

Also your mistake is thinking PSK cannot fight Toriko level monsters and Dragon Ball level characters (he can, especially the bricks)

If we go through the gymnastic enough maybe he might be able to beat saitama maybe not. But just shocked that HST needs one omnipotent being to actually win a fight.

I don't think him creating a realm in a preexisting one is easy to quantify since we really don't know the true size of soul society all kubo has to do is answer this question

"by Soul Society, does it mean one planet or a whole universe of spiritual worlds?"

"If not how big is Soul Society?"

If he said as big as the earth then soul society may just mean one planet in a spiritual universe which resides in where heuco mundo the primordial world may be in. just my 2 cents.

If he said a whole spiritual universe, then god damn Saitama is in trouble.

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Can't PSK stand against OH DIO?

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#28  Edited By Undre

@futureisbest: @rdcdesmond:

The official viz translations stated it's universe

Rdc since you like using French scans lol they also say the worlds are a universe

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"AT BEST、ONE OF THE TWO WILL DISAPPEAR... OR IT'S THE UNIVERSE ITSELF WHICH WILL BE DESTROYED。"

Soul society,world of the living are stated to be different dimensions

When the worlds are collapsing its not just planets being destroyed. But the fabric of space-time and dimensional boundaries as well. Like the Garganta and the dangai.

In cfyow they stated the original world was all of creation I'm state of chaos. All of creation means the universe. Which soul recreated into the current worlds.

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@ninjarizer:

“He’s also intangible. Try make an argument now?”

Saitama has broken into other realms by punching it(broke into the mid scape of phoenix man), and has physically grabbed hyper dimensional portals. Both should be what’s considered intangible by all means but he definitely interacted with them so I don’t see intangibility being an issue here. This is the only thing I’ve come here to say. Don’t really care about the rest.

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@danksinatra: so has practical every bleach character. Hollows can tear holes in space. Kenpachi and many others have cutt space many times and they can't bypass his intangibility

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@undre: since when have they applied it to combat aside from kenpachi?

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#32  Edited By Undre

@danksinatra: ulqirora,and ichigo when they got sealed in a pocket dimension.

Nels lance could rip space in the novels. Cien azashiro have done so as well

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Some people say aizen is universal and this is the prime soul king, but saitama is the goat. equal

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@undre: is there any actual confirmation that the attacks that affected space were used on the soul king?

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@xebec said:

1 of them is MFTL and lowballed Star-Solar System level. lowballed. grabbed hyperspace portals, is resistant to cosmic radiation, no-sold a GRB, nuclear explosions, gravity attacks etc.

the other is a featless bum wanked with mental gymnastics powerscaling, dogshit "databook statements", fanfic and headcanon powers

my opinion = fax

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@xebec said:

1 of them is MFTL and lowballed Star-Solar System level. lowballed. grabbed hyperspace portals, is resistant to cosmic radiation, no-sold a GRB, nuclear explosions, gravity attacks etc.

the other is a featless bum wanked with mental gymnastics powerscaling, dogshit "databook statements", fanfic and headcanon powers

my opinion = fax

ur opinion = creditless

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Reio solos the verse.

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@danksinatra:

Saitama has broken into other realms by punching it(broke into the mid scape of phoenix man), and has physically grabbed hyper dimensional portals.

Not proven to be untouchable, completely unquantifiable and NLF to assume he can do so. He’s a complete brick, and I‘ll show you why it’s completely inapplicable.

Both should be what’s considered intangible by all means but he definitely interacted with them so I don’t see intangibility being an issue here.

Why are they considered intangible?

Hyperspace gates can be broken by energy, specifically Nuclear Fission (meaning they aren’t intangible) and the mid scape can simply be another dimension which Undre has correctly stated Bleach characters break through all the time (Kenpachi, Ulquiorra)

Intangible means can’t be touched. At all.

This is the only thing I’ve come here to say. Don’t really care about the rest.

Hope I cleared things up a bit

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@xebec said:

1 of them is MFTL and lowballed Star-Solar System level. lowballed. grabbed hyperspace portals, is resistant to cosmic radiation, no-sold a GRB, nuclear explosions, gravity attacks etc.

the other is a featless bum wanked with mental gymnastics powerscaling, dogshit "databook statements", fanfic and headcanon powers

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Copius amounts of rubbish arguments by low tier debaters

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#40  Edited By DankSinatra

@ninjarizer:

“Why are they considered intangible?

Hyperspace gates can be broken by energy, specifically Nuclear Fission (meaning they aren’t intangible) and the mid scape can simply be another dimension which Undre has correctly stated Bleach characters break through all the time (Kenpachi, Ulquiorra)

Intangible means can’t be touched. At all.“

Just because it can be broken by energy does not mean it’s tangible, energy itself is not tangible (blast stated the Energy was too much which caused the gates to be blown away, not that the nuclear fission was too much), the hyperspace gates are literally holes in space connecting one area of space to the other. Do you think space is tangible?

And ill ask again, has any of those attacks from bleach that effect dimensions or space been confirmed to be used on the Soul King?

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I am really tired of all this wanking statements, lore and databooks.It was not working 10 years ago when Bleach was canceled and today its just sad.

The one with on panel feats stomps the featless verse.

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@danksinatra:

Just because it can be broken by energy does not mean it’s tangible, energy itself is not tangible (blast stated the Energy was too much which caused the gates to be blown away, not that the nuclear fission was too much)

The energy from the Nuclear Fission attack caused the gates to explode.

Energy, especially Nuclear Fission is entirely tangible by the way. You can touch it, and it can definitely touch you. That’s why Garou is using it as an offensive weapon.

Hell, even the energy from a physical punch caused the gates to explode, what else proof do I need to confirm something is tangible in some way when they can be interacted with physical energy on two occasions?

the hyperspace gates are literally holes in space connecting one area of space to the other. Do you think space is tangible?

I’ll ask you the same question rephrased, and it’ll address your answer.

The hyperspace gates, which you claim are simply made of space were broken by Nuclear Fission energy and the energy of a physical punch. Do you think space can be broken by Nuclear Fission?

The answer is no, and my answer to your questio is space isn’t tangible, you’re correct. But Hyperspace gates have been proven to be physically interacted with on four occasions (2 by Saitama directly, and two by physical energy) but I guess this all hinges on this final point.

And ill ask again, has any of those attacks from bleach that effect dimensions or space been confirmed to be used on the Soul King?

I’m confused at why this matters. Because of his Saketsu, the Soul King can render himself completely intangible, as in punches simply pass through him. He can’t be grabbed.

If he was able to be grabbed, Saitama would still die, but you’re not interested in that, so let’s address this point:

The Soul King has not been in a fight. We only know what he can do from reading the novels, not what he has done. To answer your question, it’s no.

But it’s hardly relevant. Saitama might be able to grab a Senkaimon, Shadow or a Garganta (hyperspace portals in Bleach) and he might be able to punch into a seperate dimension BUT he won’t be able to touch someone like Lille or Aura, because they can’t be touched.

Like they completely pass through energy attacks aswell, Lille literally was completely unaffected by energy on panel.

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@undre: They aren’t universes just planet size spaces

universe can be translated as world

soil of soul society debunks this as a universe

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atmosphere of soul society debunks this old man yam is going to burn every planet in the universe ??

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human world being called earth debunks this

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humans don’t live on other planets majority of souls come from earth and when humans die the souls go to SS

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are there hollows on mars and Quincy on Venus ? Is Uranus and Neptune considered poor parts of soul society and free as well ? Lol

Because Quincy killed many hollows making the balance unbalanced Erasing 28,000 Citizen souls From SS can rebalance the soul cycyle this seems rather small for a universe size headcanon balance

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Stop the nonsense

No a movie from beginning of bleach series doesnt make ichigo become universal he was post soul society arc at that point not even Hueco mundo arc post vizard training nor the boosts he got in Hueco mundo fighting grimmjow and Ulquiorra even without vasto lorde by the time he confronts base aizen even his bankai at that time should be massively stronger than the villain of memories of nobody and his goonies so anything Ichigo did in that movie is considered a outlier if it’s god tier in verse

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bro really got the audacity to try and play the NLF card after claiming fucking Pernida neg-diffs Saitama cause "hax" LMAO

the joke writes itself

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#45  Edited By DankSinatra

@ninjarizer:

“The energy from the Nuclear Fission attack caused the gates to explode.

Energy, especially Nuclear Fission is entirely tangible by the way. You can touch it, and it can definitely touch you. That’s why Garou is using it as an offensive weapon.

Hell, even the energy from a physical punch caused the gates to explode, what else proof do I need to confirm something is tangible in some way when they can be interacted with physical energy on two occasions?”

You cannot touch any form of energy, you can interact with the objects causing the energy but the energy itself is not tangible. The energy from a punch is called Kinetic Energy, which again is not tangible but the objects causing the energy is. So you need more proof than that. The gates cannot withstand a certain amount of energy, nothing stating it’s tangible. Even Garou was surprised that saitama could even touch the gates and grab them:

https://i.imgur.com/jQYJiVq.jpg

If they were tangible, why would Garou be surprised that someone could physically grab them?

“I’ll ask you the same question rephrased, and it’ll address your answer.

The hyperspace gates, which you claim are simply made of space were broken by Nuclear Fission energy and the energy of a physical punch. Do you think space can be broken by Nuclear Fission?

The answer is no, and my answer to your questio is space isn’t tangible, you’re correct. But Hyperspace gates have been proven to be physically interacted with on four occasions (2 by Saitama directly, and two by physical energy) but I guess this all hinges on this final point.”

Given that the punch itself has let saitama enter another dimension? Yes. The nuclear fission had more energy than the gate could handle. We don’t know what the limit of energy is for the gates but we do know they have a limit. Just like we don’t know how much energy those nuclear fission punches had(he sent a large amount of punches before the gate was overloaded). This does not prove that the gates are tangible but it proves they have an energy limit.

“I’m confused at why this matters. Because of his Saketsu, the Soul King can render himself completely intangible, as in punches simply pass through him. He can’t be grabbed.

If he was able to be grabbed, Saitama would still die, but you’re not interested in that, so let’s address this point:

The Soul King has not been in a fight. We only know what he can do from reading the novels, not what he has done. To answer your question, it’s no.

But it’s hardly relevant. Saitama might be able to grab a Senkaimon, Shadow or a Garganta (hyperspace portals in Bleach) and he might be able to punch into a seperate dimension BUT he won’t be able to touch someone like Lille or Aura, because they can’t be touched.

Like they completely pass through energy attacks aswell, Lille literally was completely unaffected by energy on panel.“

It matters in the sense that these characters who you claim are completely intangible, if they have been hit with attacks that effect dimensions or space. I’ll ask again, is there proof that these characters have been hit with said attacks?

This is going against what you claimed of saitama being just a brick when he obviously has some form of spacial/dimensional manipulation.

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Lol,when some diehard Cloroxfan trying to use the NLF argument.Thats so ironic

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@paxa said:

Lol,when some diehard Cloroxfan trying to use the NLF argument.Thats so ironic

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OT: Saitama solos the HST

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