Saitama vs Meliodas and Escanor

@kamishini: Hey man just so you know Meliodas doesn't have true soul manipulation:

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This whole thing was a technique from Merascylla, plus she says in both your scans and mine, that the Dark Cocoon is taking Meliodas' negative energy and supplying the dead with it to make them stronger. Meli AFIAK hasn;t really shown anything where he offensively manipulates souls, the only person in the series who has done that is Merascylla, that's why everyone makes a big deal about her dying, because she brought Elaine back to life.

Then coming back to the scans you posted:

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Once Meliodas and the sins start to chill and Escanor leads teh counterattack, the skeletons start getting weaker. If anything the only reason Meliodas affected the skeletons is because the cocoon is sapping his negative energy, in fact I don't think anything about the soul is mentioned here.

@kamishini:

Ok let me highlight your own idiocy for you. Your initial statement was this

Escanor and Mel heat is a good deal above nukes btw.

I another reply you justify this claim with this statement.

For example melting a massive stone castle by accident in a weaker form. That's something nukes can't do.

This does not prove your initial statement in anyway, unless you can RELIABLY QUANTIFY THAT'S THE HEAT NECESSARY FOR SUCH AN EFFECT. Which you are incapable of doing, so you have no argument in regards to anything heat related.

@darthjhawk: There seems to be a misunderstanding.

Mel soul manipulation comes from his race, demon clan that has numerous showing, not this feat. This instance showcase Escanor burning the spirit of the dead.

@trueaustralian: Another showcase of your ignorance.

Like I've said above, if you don't know what you are talking about don't tag me.

I'm not going to waste more time explaining it to someone who insults people.

@god_vulcan:

Is @kamishini really not a native English speaker? No wonder I am having such a hard time explaining simple concepts to him.

@trueaustralian: At least he told me he wasn't

I'll have to read through this thread again to see where it all went downhill between you too

You realize that's a fallacy right? To say Mel has soul manip bc other people like him have shown it?

@god_vulcan:

He burnt him with Hell blaze... no way around it. Escanor healing from it his just a good feat for him, it doesn't take away anything from HB.

Lol @officially debunked when you lied in half of your post.

1) Escanor can control it, like can control when he negates regeneration.

2) Dude read the scan. It says the spirit of the dead...she put them inside these skeletons and amped them, bur doesn't mean they aren't souls... if not it would mean Mere has an all new power that wasn't explained.

3) He can obviously control it.

4) spirit of the dead, the corpse of these dead spirits. More clear than this...

Some of the commandments aren't even demons so stop assuming.

Thanks, that was bad. I was referring to why are you taking a feat way from them? Only because you want Saitama to win?

Mel has it, like every other demon and Escanor literally burnt souls.

Boros feat heat wise is inferior to Escanor castle.

@god_vulcan: That seems akin to claiming that Saitama could use telekinesis because Tatsumaki is human too.

@trueaustralian: Lol you are unable to comprehend that feats>>>>>> your fan calcs and have to insult and attack me even more? Embarrassing.

@god_vulcan: That's literally a characteristic of his race....every demon can do it.

@kamishini: You should spend less time replying to me and more time learning basic physics.

Anime Saitama dispersed Boros's Star canon, which was planet buster levels, so either consecutive normal or one serious punch should do it.

@trueaustralian: No offense, but you have no idea of what you are talking about. You proved it in this thread.

Not to mention, this isn't a science site so....and literally fan calcs are the last thing you want to use if you want to be taken seriously. That together with insults.

@kamishini: You seem to expect to be taken seriously when all of your arguments boil down to "because I say/think so". So if that happens to be the general level of discourse around here (not in my experience, until I met you that is) then perhaps I am better of spending my time on Spacebattles and /r/Whowouldwin instead of comicvine.

@drpepperman: And ironically his "serious" punch wasn't even serious. He nullified Boros' attack without even trying and the shockwave from the punch alone accidentally killed Boros in the process. I'd say Saitama was far above him.

@trueaustralian: I agree is better if you debate there instead of insult people here. Bye bye

Dude that's basic level of knowledge and it was explained and demonstrated in other threads. I'm not explaining it to you again because:

1) You didn't ask. Lol

2) You claim to have knowledge and don't know this.

3) You insulted me several times.

Please don't tag me again, I've got enough salt for a life time thanks to you.

@kamishini: I don't care about your preconceived notions of how battling works. With the position you have taken no level of discourse is possible because neither side can present evidence of an argument aside from "I said/think so", this does not allow for debate and completely nullifies the point of having a battles section to begin with, might as well delete the whole board.

@vooon: it's more impressive when you realize over a hundred normal small country level punches didn't nullify the healing factor of boros but the shockwave of a "serious" punch did.

@drpepperman: He didn't nullify Boros regeneration with that punch, Boros used all his energy and could not regenerate after firing CSRC.

@kamishini: Pulled from number 10 on this page . You're saying because other demons have soul rip Mel must have it too, well that's a fallacy, and can't be argued in debates

Association fallacy

This is when someone claims that since A has certain qualities, and B is in some way associated with A, then B has those qualities as well, without actual proof of this.

Example: "Many Naruto ninjas use genjutsu. Therefore Gai knows genjutsu as well."

While this could be possible, there is no confirmation, and merely because other ninjas know it doesn't mean he does.

@trueaustralian: oh, nvm then.

@god_vulcan:

I see and that's right, but and it's true that his passive and body heat are output and offensive, but don't you agree that his body still has to sustain that level of heat?

1) My definition and use of passive heat may be wrong. I call it "passive heat" when he emits it from his body with a real form, like cruel sun.

2) I partially agree with you here. He burned their souls too for two obvious reasons:

-It's literally stated.

-Mere would've used them in another way and wouldn't be so surprised.

3) I was referring to him killing the other sins, thing that you stated twice.

4) He burned them together, it's clearly showed and stated.

I'm not sure on Estarossa but Galan clearly did and just in case you forget they were literally going around ripping souls to get their strength back. So red demons can but Mel can't? Your assumption seems bigger than mine.

For Mel it's a form of speculation, backed up by any kind of logic. Escanor clearly has that ability.

Why wouldn't Mel have it? Any reason?

He burned the skeletons together with their souls. It was stated.

Boros didn't liquefied the whole ship and the ship was composed with metals. Stone is above.

@god_vulcan: Your example is wrong. Genjutsu isn't an innate ability of every ninja, heck some can't even control chakra.

Soul rip is a characteristic of his race, like having seven hearts.

>ask several times to not be tagged again.

>gets a load of salt in return.

So Guy can use genjutsu? Even Naruto has never used it. And even if my example is wrong (it's not) that doesn't mean your argument isn't that exact fallacy

@kamishini: I can tag whomever I wish friend.

@god_vulcan: Also sorry if I came off a little aggressive but I was kinds pissed off for obvious reasons. I apologize.

Saitama should be banned from Battles. He's just a broken parody character with essential toon force.

@god_vulcan: To my knowledge he can't, but your example is wrong. You are talking about a specific technique that not everyone can use.

It would be right if I said Mel can use physical FC, while what I'm saying is more like "every ninja has chakra".

@god_vulcan:

Why? No reason for your claim to be true.

1) Then passive heat was the wrong way to call it. My bad.

2) Why would it be PIS? There is evidence to prove that they aren't ONLY souls, doesn't change the statement and the fact that he burned both together.

3) No, but do destroy their body you don't need soul manip and Mere wasn't surprised when they did it.

4) Bit the other sins don't have neither the statement or Mere surprise. There is no reason for it to be PIS, especially since soul manipulation is a thing in verse.

Other two wrong examples.

1) Saitam broke the limtiers and "trained" this isn't something that every human has.

2) Escanor is an unique case with unique powers, stated multiple times.

It's not a power, is something that every demon can do. If red demon can do it why Mel can't? It's like saying the other demons don't have seven hears because it wasn't clearly showed.

Bad logic that you've yet to prove wrong as is an innate ability. You didn't debunk anything, your claims are pure assumption that go against what's showed and stated.

It's stated that he burned their souls/ the spirit of the death. We see him burning the bodies too so I don't understand what's your point here.

Your main argument seems to be PIS tbh and there is no reason for it to be true, as soul manip is a thing in verse.

Not all of it and it was still smaller than a city.

My point still stand about stone>metal thought.

Team stomps, Escanor solos.

Lol Saitama stomps.maybe casually too.

Saitama as far as I am aware.

Escanor alone would vape that overrated verse

Saitama uses slap.

Saitama

Anime Saitama feats:

Attack Potency: At least Large Star level He easily defeated Lord Boros in one punch after getting serious and According to the Secret one punch man notes compus his final attack Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon is able to Destroy a star

Speed: At least Relativistic+ Jumped from the moon and back to the Earth in 1.5 second

Durability: At least Large Star level Easily tanked Lord Boros' attack

Winner: Saitama Godstomps

@onepunchgod: Saitama wins but neither him nor boros has feats that places them at anything close to star level.

@elderelijah190: hello Secret one punch man notes compus

@onepunchgod: He is not Large Star Level, Multi Planetary if he is serious, likely Small Star level+ bloodlusted.

I don't remember the time frame being mentioned in the manga, as far as I know he took 7 seconds and he use his momentumto do this not simple speed.

But we have a agreement in here. In character Saitama- Dunno, maybe Mel and Esc. although I think that Saitama should be able to kill them

''Serious'' Saitama- Saitama easily

Bloodlusted Saitama- Mismatch, Saitama godstomps.

@cosmic_lantern: LMFAO Escanor has no chance vs Boros in base from

Saitama

@joviolma: Shut up please and you have no idea on Saitama and Large Star Level just in anime in manga and webcomic has no limit to his power

And yeah Boros is Star level Secret one punch man notes compus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you

Sorry but do you think Saitama and Boros are fighting on the sun? Star level or Planet level of course he will say i will destroy you and this Planet what did you want i will destroy you and this star