Saitama runs the Naruto gauntlet

@vsw: how about some logic in your text, because it's nonsensical, the net force is equal to the mass of the particle, times its acceleration, speed is partially the responsible for the force of an object, so, i feel like a tutor, anyway.

the moon diameter is 3,474 km, approximately 50 trillion KG or 50 billion ton, though since naruto didn't split a line rather the whole circle of the moon then we would have to add the another diameter

since naruto the moon into two hemispheres,

since the moon mass is made out of rock and it's mostly olivine whose tensile strength is 300 which would translate to 43511 PSI, since PSI only apply to an inch, then we will have to translate the inch to kilometers of the moon diameter which is 136 800 000, which is also a multiplier for it, 544 trillion , 77 billion, 936 million PSI, multiply it by 2, and then you have the total energy output naruto striked the moon to split it to what it is, which is apprixmately 1793 megaton of TNT. or almost 18 tsar bombas, quite compatible with his fourth ninja war feats

hich then becomes then we havethe formula would be the the PSI level the energy bond of the moon into half, the energy requires would be approximately 73 octillion of joules or 17 trillion megaton of TNT

naruto most fastest feat is jumping few meters from the raikage within a second, since lightning speed is 8 kilometers in a second and naruto moved faster than that lightning that was centi meters near his face, we would give an approximate of 6 centi meters since the average distance between the eyes is 6.2 centi meters and when compared to the distance between raikage hand and naruto face it fills the gap, so then in that 6 centi meters, raikage speed in the camera was moving at a speed of 0.00006 KM, that's almost 100 000 thousand time slower and for naruto to move at the timeframe it would mean he had to be moving at a speed of at least 100 times faster than that, it would naruto has a speed of at least 500 mile par second which is still slower than that of saitama

speed -saitama speed is approximately 12 thousand mile par second,

potency -saitama most powerful strike is his serious punch whose total power is that of a 85 billion megaton of TNT

durabiltiy - can survived being striked by 2.5 megaton of TNT head-on ''boros kick to the moon''

anyway, in simple terms, saitama keeps one shotting till hax comes in ''madara'' and then lose

@jmarshmallow: Not to me, he has no planetary durability or strength feat, much less planet++ like you claimed in a post above

And just so you know. TSB ignore durability

Saitama wank at its finest

He is slow enough to the point he gets blitzed.

Loses to 3 beats 4 gets stomped in the other rounds

Saitama fans need to stop scaling directly from a guidebooks and Attack names he has no planetary feats therefore he is not planetary not even close.

Boros final attack was not planetary either as it didn't actually destroy anything he could of been bluffing

@phantomshepherd: i have absolutely no clue what your saying, anyway I'm pretty sure speed = distance/time.

Newguys wanted a timeframe and I gave him one.

And just so you know, fan calcs like that on CV are generally looked down upon .

Saitama clears with ease

@kingzod: Not to you?...

So your opinion has more weight than an official databook made by the author of the series, that says Saitama is a planet buster?...

@jmarshmallow: I meant you haven't proven anything to me. I really need to fix my laptop.

If we start taking databooks at face value this debate is going to get really messy, so I suggest you stick to concrete showings.

TSB is still GG

@finaldeath15: I have debunked the opm verse in 2 cavs i really dont want to do it again he has no piercing feats cellular feats molecular feats or energy feats he didn't tank boros attack he deflected it meaning if it landed he would have died

I never said Naruto characters are planetary i said opm characters arent

Making after images is not impressive

Dont tell me he may have jumped from moon to earth in a second give me the confirmed number(it does not exist)

Saitamas actual feats are pretty unimpressive all he has i faulty scaling some bs guidebooks and head cannon

welcome to cv

Thats no time frame it was just full of assumptions and assertions there is no time frme no matter how much you want there to be there just isnt he gets blitzed

Someone show me a planetary feat.

Ay is light sped by your logic

madara is universal so is temari

haku caps at LS

totsuka blade is infinite lol

Show me the feats or concede you can not keep calling him a planet buster when feat which is what we go by paint a much more pathetic picture

i was responding to the first statement, maybe there is some context, and no, time and distance is the formula to determine speed, it has nothing to do with the relativity between speed and force

@thenewguysnm1: what assumptions?

WTF is with all of these alt accounts saying he solos the verse with one punch???? He gets haxed to death

stops at 1.

@jmarshmallow: first, there are calculations to saitama strike that proves boros is not plantery, second he himself stated so, and this,

the kanji word that describe boros attack translate to collapsing star roaring cannon : shave the earth, it can also be translated into multiple things such as star instead of a planet, or earse instead of shave so it's influenced based of the context it is meaning for, which is the image above this one, boros is just a continental or continental+ level at best

@vsw: Saitama feat takes more than 19 seconds, 20 is a fair estimate, considering the ditance of the moon split by 20, 225,623 miles / 20 would be 12,531 miles Feat

note: a fan calculating is not valid?, in what evidence, what logic, what a nonsense!, this is madness, madness i say!!!

There was no timeframe in the anime so we can't know how long is took for Saitama to jump(thats why i used Boros breathing as a timeframe) for example, the whole 12 episodes of OPM Were 20 minutes each or so, even tho we saw days go past, Time in Anime =/= time in RL

Fan calc are not really valid Because when Kishimoto was writing Naruto for example, he didn't have a pen with him saying "alright with a PSI OF 23 trillion , Rock has a UTS of 23.000 tons so Toneri splitting the moon would have exactly 23 million Megatone of TNT, enough to destroy a planet"(i know what i said makes no sense its an example)

Authors write things simply because they Look cool, nothing more , nothing less,

Trust me, if you use Fan Calcs on CV You wont get far lol

@phantomshepherd:

first, there are calculations to saitama strike that proves boros is not plantery,

First off, I hate calcs. Fiction and the real world aren't the same.

Second, they're not official, and thus are subject to errors because nobody knows all the variables besides the creators.

Third, I've never seen such a calc. Care to provide it?

second he himself stated so,

No he didn't. The scan you provided is the English translation, but in that same English translation, this is the text when he performs the attack:

In the original Japanese, he says he's going to shave off the entire world.

and this,

Yes, let's talk about this, because I'm afraid your information here is incorrect.

the kanji word that describe boros attack translate to collapsing star roaring cannon : shave the earth, it can also be translated into multiple things such as star instead of a planet, or earse instead of shave so it's influenced based of the context it is meaning for, which is the image above this one, boros is just a continental or continental+ level at best

You are correct on the first bit. The kanji does translate to "Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon: Erase/Shave the Earth." So good job there.

However, you're leaving out the fact that right next to that, in the bottom left corner of the page, is a description of the attack, which reads:

"The roar of despair!! It is an attack able to destroy Earth."

If you can read Japanese, then you can read the description for yourself, and I'll assume you just missed that part.

If you can't read Japanese, then I dunno where you're getting your information from, but they didn't give you the whole story.

Either way, Boros is a planet buster.

@thenewguysnm1:

Ay is light sped by your logic

madara is universal so is temari

haku caps at LS

totsuka blade is infinite lol

I don't disagree if you can prove/quantify all of this.

Show me the feats or concede you can not keep calling him a planet buster when feat which is what we go by paint a much more pathetic picture

I already have.

But Okay.

Here is the official dubbed manga panel where he uses the "planet busting roar cannon":

Here's the official dub where he says he's gonna blast Saitama and the planet "straight to hell."

Says the same thing in the subbed version:

And on top of all that, it's confirmed by the data book:

The bottom left section, in case you can't read Japanese, translates directly as

"Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon: Erase the Earth. The roar of despair!! It is an attack able to destroy Earth."

What most people get caught up on is that the word for "Erase" is the same word for "Shaved".

However, this is irrelevant, because a few words later it literally says "It is an attack able to destroy Earth."

There. Evidence provided, case closed.

@kingzod:I meant you haven't proven anything to me. I really need to fix my laptop.

Uh, okay. Fair enough I guess.

This databook confirms what was already inferred from the anime/manga, that Boros is a planetbuster.

Specifcally, in the bottom left portion it says:

"Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon: Erase the Earth. The roar of despair!! It is an attack able to destroy Earth."

There. Now I've proven it to you.

If we start taking databooks at face value this debate is going to get really messy, so I suggest you stick to concrete showings.

Nah, long as they're official and they aren't contradicted by feats, they're valid. So bring em on.

TSB is still GG

@vsw: well, post structuralism is a thing.

and Yes, the example gave no sense, though hear this

it doesn't matter what the author itent is, what matters is the authored product, which is the center of our discussion, we as readers have the power to interpret it as it is, if Glass X doesn't have a color specified then it doesn't matter if the author state it's red or not, because the color is not a part of the authored product, that is where the line is crossed

After throwing saitama to the moon boros would have had to move to where he is now ''obiviously'' so it's compatible with saitama's time and his moon jump, so it's a fair estimate , and with no numbers or logics to go with there would be no point in this discussion since it would be just an opinion vs opinion, doesn't matter if a fan dislike it or like it, if they are up for the discussion then they would have to accept it as a part of the discussion, eventually at least, anyway

saitama would one shot all of them till hax comes in, then it's insta ko

@phantomshepherd: you know what? You do u man,

You'll get what I'm talking about eventually

Goodness these OPM debaters...

Since we're now accepting Word of God, does that mean Kinshiki can now split planets?

@jmarshmallow:

星 is the same word for planet, and star, it is figurable based of the context is it being used for

and no, it's officially called collapsing star roaring cannon not collapsing planet roaring cannon, that translations are obiviously fan made or a third party source that's unreliable due to you not posting your sources

i think i'm gonna end it with that note, and imo, fiction is based of the real world, of course what helps us understand the real world would help to understand the fake world, it's common sense, and author's intention doesn't matter, Death of the author is a thing

note: mangafox is not an official translator, Imo

@lambsauce: Imo, it's just how usually a person thinks/critique a show, after all, we wouldn't have goku vs superman if there wasn't as such, jokes aside of course

it's quite obivious and not a very interesting thread, speaking of DB, i might check in those bloody fans while i'm online

ciao

Kinshiki cat split Jupiter, Madara can slash all of reality, Kaguya can destroy space and time ?????

@gear4god: i know it's off topic and all, though i really can't move on from the fact that madara was wasted!, so he was winning, so what?, the antagonist wins sometimes and it still is a great story, they just had to pull a nonsensical/unexplained/incomprehensible feat that black zetsu would be able to submit madara even though he showed resistantability leagues above that of black zetsu and yet even then there was no excuse to why madara didn't counter it or thought of such, overall, naruto at the end was atrociously ruind. pleased that you read

@thenewguysnm1: Just because Boros failed to destroy the Earth don't means that the technique isn't Multi-Continental. Saitama simple nullified the Beam before touch the surface, but if the manga and JP Encyclopedia say that Boros can shave the Earth then he can, you can't deny things just because the feat never happened, if was confirmed by canon sources this also can be used in a debate, until now, there is nothing contradicting a Surface Wiper Boros, he still the strongest guy that Saitama ever faced.

clears

@joviolma: So amatarasu is as hot as the sun

Ay is lightspeed

this is all backed up by official sources

what makes ot multi continental other then attack name which means nothing btw all it has is a guidebook which contradicts the feat

if you just look at the feat there is nothing there tbh

madara uchiha 2 rinnegan y sharinnegan deberia ser ronda 6, no 5.

madara estaba etiquetando a naruto y sasuke

Based on feats we’ve seen in the anime and manga, stops at two.

Based on the idea that Saitama has never shown his 100% true power, never been hurt before, has never fought an opponent with anywhere close to 1% of his total power and designed as more of a joke character that simply cannot be beat: clears.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT????????????????????

When did anyone become planetary in OPverse?

And Saitama has no feat against sub-atomic disintegration.

@blackwizzard17: the vaporizing feat is stated and emphasized to vaporize even The bones and Boiling point of hydroxyapatite is around 1500°C, that's ten times fainter than the core of earth,

saitama feat is not enough to destroy the planet, he has the potential to destroy it overtime though with that logic anyone is a planet buster overtime, even in the real world so no to that, his best feats is the serious punch and the moon jump which are both continental to continental+ level, that's high tier in naruto, though it's still under the God tier

@great_black_star: who in Naruto uses sub atomic decintegration?

@jmarshmallow: Now I'm just confused? Weren't we talking about Saitama? I know Boros is a planet buster.

Though he's not beating Naruto or Sasuke either.

Newguys gave you the basic rundown I believe. Anyways there was confusion so it seems irrelevant now

What's there to prove? Saitama has no feats to say he can shrug off a TSB which is superior to dust release that is in turn superior to a rasenshiruken which cuts on a cellular level.

Unless Saitama has molecular-atomic disintegration durability feats. TSB is GG

@vsw: No one, he is lying. At best, it is atomic and even that is based on head canon.

@theoriginalone said:

Lmao more head canon nonsense. Without Yin and Yang style they are at least atomic, with yin and yang style they are above atomic destruction and more akin to Hakai from DB Super.

When Obito applied the properties of Yin and Yang style that is when the destructive power of TSB changed. Both Minato and Tobirama confirmed this.

Gallery

What is Yin and Yang manipulation? The manipulation of creation and nothingness as stated and shown.

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The principle and properties of Yin and Yang manipulation is greater than molecular destruction or manipulation. Further proof is Kaguya and Momoshiki's attacks. Momoshiki made Naruto disappear with his Yin and Yang manipulation which is what Bijuu Bombs are composed of.

"At that time, a huge explosion that twists and warps space! A twosome who call themselves Momoshiki and Kinshiki appear, wrapped in an ominous atmosphere. He wields the Rinnegan in both hands and tenaciously aim to take Naruto’s life. Sasuke protects Boruto, who is petrified and unable to do anything. Naruto, who was occupied by that and turned his back, disappears with a jutsu fired by Momoshiki. He leaves Boruto a smile…"

Now here is visual aid to support the above evidence. Sure this is not a primary source but it is a secondary source.

@vsw@kingzod@great_black_star

@sivil-law: My head canon? This coming from you who thinks games are canon? What?

What does anytrhing you psoted prove it is above atomic disntegraton? Creating of all things is just a title, NOTHING ELSE. Show me a single statement that says it is atomic level, let alone anything fighter?

"When Obito applied the properties of Yin and Yang style that is when the destructive power of TSB changed. Both Minato and Tobirama confirmed this."

No one is denying this but that doesn't mean it is above atomic level. Stop this bullshit of yours. You don't have single shread of proof to substantiate that. NOT A SINGLE ONE.

"At that time, a huge explosion that twists and warps space! A twosome who call themselves Momoshiki and Kinshiki appear, wrapped in an ominous atmosphere. He wields the Rinnegan in both hands and tenaciously aim to take Naruto’s life. Sasuke protects Boruto, who is petrified and unable to do anything. Naruto, who was occupied by that and turned his back, disappears with a jutsu fired by Momoshiki. He leaves Boruto a smile…"

I know you are stupid but what does this bullshit prove? Naruto was captured in that fight becasue he used a massive amount of his chakra to contain that blast. He was weakened and easier to capture. Twists and warps space? Are you smoking something?

Stop this bullshit already.

And why are you still posting games gifs? Post something from the manga or get outta here.

Anyone who belives this bullshit posted by sivil-law needs help.

Well my opinion remains, he likely stops at Juubidara or Naruto and Sasuke.

1. Games are just another adaptation of the primary source. Not my fault you don't know the difference between a primary and secondary source.

2. The evidence speaks for itself. Yin and Yang manipulation is above molecular manipulation aka Jinton. Why are you debating against a series you have no knowledge of? If you don't know what Yin manipulation is or what it affects then stop debating in this thread right now.

Creation of All Things was never mentioned in my post only referenced. Nor did I ever use the TITLE of the jutsu to try and prove anything. Stop the deflections.

3. Already proved it. Again the evidence speaks for itself. If you had any basic understanding of Yin and Yang manipulation then you wouldn't be sitting here making an ass out of yourself.

4. Drop the tough guy act and actually disprove the evidence with some scans to support your stance. More head canon coming from you again. Show me some scans or something of this happening? When did Momoshiki and Kinshiki capture him after the blast? Where are your references at? I know you have a hard time reading but that says "space" not "place". Take the time to read and comprehend instead of rushing to downplay or invalidate something. Chill out.

5. You probably never gave a presentation to an audience before. It is called visual aid. It is to help dummies like you with visualization. Since you can't read.

@jmarshmallow:

Already did. The name of the attack proves that it’s lightspeed, and there’s no evidence against it.

No, you proved nothing. Flashy Flash doesn't even have a feat that sub-relativistic and his fastest move was unleashing several attacks in a millisecond. That's MHS+ at best.

Big Bang Attack obviously isn’t Big Bang level...

According to your logic it is, you just stated that because Flash's attack was called Lightspeed Slash, it proves it is Lightspeed. Stop the double standards.

because it’s been used and shown not to be Big Bang level. The same cannot be said about LS Slash.

Yes it can because Flash who moved his fastest against Monster Garou wasn't LS or even remotely close to it.

Yes. It is. See, I can do that too. That’s not a rebuttal.

No rebuttal is needed when no evidence is put forth to begin with...

I already said I didn’t feel like discussing calcs.

No one wanted to discuss calcs, just saying kicking Saitama to the moon is not an impressive feat concerning Naruto God-tiers.

And no, he’s a planet buster,I posted the official entry from his databook that confirms it.

No, that Databook excerpt proves nothing. I already did my research and that could be translated as destroying the Earth's surface (Shave the Earth Literally), which also corresponds with what was said in the web comic and manga.

Clears

@sivil-law: Don't tag me

1. I know the difference between the manga and storm 4. You have a hard time understanding sources.

2. I never said it is sub atomic. I said it is Yin and Yang manipulation. O please show me where I was lying? Please show me where I was wanking? I simply stated that the TSB have the properties of Yin and Yang manipulation.

Show me where I mentioned Creation of All Things? You don't seem be very bright. I referenced the manga which describes the properties and effects of Yin and Yang manipulation.

3. Prove the TSB are atomic... tough guy and stop talking shit.

4. Thank you for showing that you have no references or anything to back up your bullshit head canon about them capturing Naruto after he was weakened. Meanwhile in the canon story Naruto disappeared from the attack fired by Momoshiki. As "described" and "shown" in the plot of the manga, novel, and movie.

5.

"At that time, a huge explosion that twists and warps space!.........Naruto, who was occupied by that and turned his back, disappears with a jutsu fired by Momoshiki. He leaves Boruto a smile…"

Snitch.