saber (fate) vs yami (Black clover)

Round 1: in character

Round 2:bloodlusted

Who takes the win?

Umm.... Yami obviously? In case this is not composite Saber.

Yami's Dimension Slash is a crazy hax. I don't think Saber can handle that.

Yami is FTL and can ignore durability. Her magic resistance might help but except she nukeseith Excalibur before she dies she’s not winning

Yami would win, Dimension Slash trumps everything Saber has.

Yami

@one_of_two: dimension slash could get negated by magic resistance...

@ecoblitz: Does Saber's magic resistance work against attacks that cut space itself?

An attack is magic does not matter what it does as long as it falls under the ability/power to be nullified.

Example: If attack A erases atoms but say is ranked B and Person B can negate magic all up to rank A it does not matter if attack A erases atoms because person B won't even notice it as it will be negated by virtue of being magic.

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Sukehiro

@ecoblitz: that is not how it works. You are using a No Limits Fallacy. You have to show feats of said magic resistance dealing with spacial magic.

If I use your logic I can say that Saber would be immune to Dr. Strange and the likes, and we know that won't be the case

@one_of_two: it’s not NLF literally gave you a rank example. Strange has more powerful spells than her magic resistance... it’s resistance for a reason. She has rank A magic resistance

@ecoblitz: Again, you are making a claim that her magic resistance can stop spacial magic, so the burden of proof is on you. Saying that she has an A rank in some gameplay element tells me absolutely nothing.

@one_of_two: is special magic magic? Obvious answer is Yes ergo it can get resisted. Idk what’s so hard to understand that something resists magic in general regardless of the type of magic... hence MAGIC resistance not X type MAGIC resistance.

It’s not a gameplay element...

@ecoblitz: Oh, my god. Just post feats of her resisting spells that cut space, the burden of proof is on you, since you are claiming her magic resistance can help her here.

Yami's spell has been stated outright to ignore his opponent's magic. Its not Yami's spell that kill's you, its the space getting cleaved in half while you occupy it.

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from scaling with a Servant who only has C Rank magic resistance, Saber should be able to resist timestop (yes, an actual space time resisting feat lol).

Yami cut the Devil in half (Mostly attributed to Yami's Dark Magic though.). The same Devil who needed to be ganged up upon by everyone.

And iirc, the Devil is easily mountain-level from his fight with Lumiere.

Saber's excaliblast is Light Magic. Yami's is Dark Magic.

@yosefscion:

You know, when people ask for feats, just stating something here isn't enough.

As for the topic at hand, we do have a Servant with really low Magic Resistance resist space manipulation.

And the rest of Caster's offensive spells are usually nullified by Saber just 'glaring' at them.

https://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update 172/

I might still back Yami though, IF she's actually FTL.

Basic Servants should have around microsecond reaction speeds and potentially light speed attacks (at the cost of burning up their bodies).

Dimension Slash could potentially be blocked by A ranked magic resistance. Or Avalon.

It's Speed really that would matter here. Maybe durability too.

@one_of_two: it’s not a spell that cut space though someone with a weaker magic resistance resisted a spell that affects space. 2 ranks weaker might I add. Saber’s Magic resistance isn’t a magic spell...

Yes I know how hax works...

Saber wins, aside from her feats, she also has B rank luck.

She gets blitzed or her durability ignored

If Yami is truly FTL, then Saber gets fodderized multiple times over.

@crimsonslayer85: But Saber has invulnerability with Avalon as it shut out all interference up to the 6th dimension, including True magic, and can block attacks from a higher order dimension? Hell Avalon even blocked and redirected Gilgamesh's Enuma Elish back at him, and the sword of rupture can wipe out the fabric of space reality itself. Dont really see how Yami could even kiss her toes through all of this... Though i am more than willing to listen if you think he can.

@drmundo: Did the OP said that Saber could use Avalon? No, so i have no reason to include it.

@crimsonslayer85: op also didnt say she couldnt use avalon

Yami solos the verse

Yami oneshots regular saber

@crimsonslayer85: Well that is true but why would she not use it? i see no reason as to why she would handicap herself like that. Its not stated that she couldnt use it so its safe to assume that she can, as that is what would make more sense.

@zascta: No he does not. Gilgamesh scales to Complex multiversal. EA is just blatantly overpowered. When activating Enuma Elish, the generated wind pressure strata simulates spatial rends to create an artificial space-time dislocation that acts as a crushing torrent capable of pulverizing any opposition. The Black Clover universe is wiped out if Gilgamesh so much as sneezes.

Saber realistically blitzstomps the lightning speed verse, and struggles a little with the wanked FTL version.

Avalon is still OP

@lordballer: I can understand that her speed is sub-optimal and all that. But Avalon blocks all interference up to the 6th dimension so REALISTICALLY most verses gets violated...

Yeah, she has a hax advantage too.

@lordballer: She does indeed.

No way this dude is saying BC is Lightning speed…

I have seen the FTL BC Debunk.

A Fate fan calling another verse wanked is laughable at best.

@lordballer: did you even read that thread?

@aggrape: I’m a fate fan. But that dude is just plain downplaying

At there strongest atoria negs with an unsealed excalblast that can neg diff star level gods.

@lordballer: If even Eco agrees it’s not lightning speed u then it’s a definite. Btw that thread got debunked immediately after it was posted