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#1 Posted by SightlessReality (4979 posts) - - Show Bio

The S. G. T.

In this tournament, you use mid level character team and gear them up with high tier weapons. There will be 4 characters per team, each stripped of their regular gear in exchange for their new toys. How your team employs the weapons is up to you. They will be given a month to master their new gear, so choose wisely.

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Your Doom

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Rogue

Multiplex

Kyle Rayner

Ben 10

Mystique

Carol Ferris

(all characters Composite and all media)

Perks

Love and Hate: Team is bloodlusted

Split down the middle: 7 mid tier points, Witchblade "Either" and Bane's venom tubes

Gear

  • Mid Level Bank (1) - for 14 Mid Level Points
  • Low Level Bank (1) - for 20 Low Level Points
  • GL Ring (8)
  • Khaji-Da (3)
  • Medusa Mask (8)
  • 3 Mid Level Points (1)
  • x3 Omnitrix (5)
    • Chromastone
    • AmpFibian
    • Ghostfreak
    • Atomix
    • Nanomech
    • Upgrade
    • XLR8
    • NRG w/armor
    • Grey Matter
    • Lodestar
    • Way Big
    • Wildvine
    • Goop
    • Eye Guy
    • Ultimate Big Chill

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Tony Stark (Extremis)

Kanoe Zoichi

Takeo (Not shown above)

Perks

Who are You?- If your characters are all from different universes, you get your characters morals off.

Gear

High Level

  • Quantum Bands (15)
  • 3 Medium Level Points (1) x5 = 15

Mid Level

  • Doctor Doom Armor (10)
  • Iron Man Armor (10)
  • Worldmind (7)
  • Fata Morgana + 1 Brain Bio-Chip + Jovian Wormhole Reactor Uplink (5)
  • 2 Low Level Points (1) x3 = 6

Low Level

  • Zazie's Gear (8)
  • Black Panthers gear (5)
  • 1 Dose of Pym Particles (4)
  • Adamantium Ammo and Gun of your choice (Assault Rifle Rate of Fire) (3) ( Only for 1 person)
  • Vibranium armor and melee weapon of your choice (3)
  • Low Level Bank (1) x3

The Battlefield & Prep Area

Your team gets three months to train with their new weapons, during this time they can do anything to prepare themselves, however they cannot spy on the other team during this time in any way, shape, or form.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/sightless-s-gear-tournament-closed-1648127/#686

The battle takes place on an indestructible planet. To win you need to either perma kill or perma BFR your opponents team.

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Let the battle BEGIN!

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#3 Posted by TheNewBlueBeetle007 (4758 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr_ingenuity: you first, please

Or not.

@sightlessreality: can I use my banks now?

Introduction

Rogue

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Bio

Once a member of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, Rogue has since become a veteran member of the X-Men. After many years, she has finally gained conscious control of her power to absorb the thoughts, abilities and memories of others through physical contact. She is currently a member of both the Avengers Unity Squad and the X-Men team, based out of Jean Grey's School for Higher Learning.

Powers

Rogue is a mutant with the ability to drain a living being's essence upon physical contact, giving them a biophysical shock while synthesizing into her body their physical skills, memories, personality traits, and superhuman matrices to a varying degree. Prolonged physical touch could be lethal to whomever she contacts. After some work with Danger and Professor X, she has gained control of her power. Now that she has conscious control of her ability, if she so chooses, she can now physically touch people without unwillingly absorbing their powers or minds. During her time without powers, Rogue has proven that she is a very capable and agile hand-to-hand fighter.

She also displayed the ability to review templates that she absorbed in the past, though she has not displayed this ability since her psyche was repaired by Charles Xavier.

There are limitations as to how much power she can absorb. Extremely powerful individuals can remain conscious after Rogue uses her power on them, and even retain a degree of their power that Rogue was unable to siphon. Given the recent discovery that Sentry had a physical relationship with Rogue he may have had a means to circumvent her powers, or he may have a resistance to them. However no members of your team are powerful without gear, so this won't come into play here.

Gear Rogue will start out with

  • All Three Omnitrices
  • Green Lantern Ring
  • Khaji-Da the Blue Scarab

Danton Black aka Multiplex

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Bio:

Multiplex was once a scientist working for Dr. Stein. However, a freak accident bombarded him with nuclear energy, giving him the ability to clone himself. Through the years, he's primarily been an enemy of Firestorm, but has also fought the Flash and Green Arrow.

Since I'm using Composite Multiplex, I can draw on the traits of CW Danton Black, who only wanted justice for a man who stole his research and effectively killed his wife. This puts aside any teamwork questions you may have.

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Multiplex can clone himself. That's it. There's no known limit to his cloning powers.

Raven Darkholme aka Mystique

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Bio

Raven Darkholme, otherwise known as Mystique, has a very convoluted history about which very little is known, the exception being that she is over a century old and was most likely born somewhere in Austria. Mystique is one of the few bisexual characters in comics, having had a long relationship with Irene Adler, otherwise known as Destiny. Mystique initially met Destiny when she was hired to help her decipher her dreams and stop the worst of them from coming to pass. The two of them would eventually become life-long lovers. When Mystique was involved with Destiny the two of them actively tried to thwart Destiny's negative precognitive dreams from actually occuring. The relationship lasted decades, ending when Destiny was killed.

Mystique has also been the mother of at least three children. She is the biological mother of both Nightcrawler and Graydon Creed, whose father was the mutant Sabretooth. Ironically, Graydon turned out to be just a normal human and became the mutant-hating leader of the racist group known as theFriends of Humanity. He was eventually assassinated by Mystique herself. Her third child, by adoption, was Rogue, who would eventually join the X-Men after turning her back on Mystique's Brotherhood Of Evil Mutants.

Mystique has been a member of the X-Men, the Brotherhood, and others.

Powers

  • Shapeshifting
  • TP Immunity
  • Ability to mask her scent
  • Size shifting
  • Invisibility

Kyle Rayner

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Bio

Originally an artist, Kyle was chosen by a Green Lantern ring for having great willpower. He's been on adventures such as Blackest Night, First Lantern, Infinite Crisis, and others. He's taken on beings such as Ganthet and Oblivion with massive success.

Powers

Here, none. He just brings expertise of the ring.

Gear

  • Medusa Mask

Carol Ferris

I only chose her because she's had a relationship with Kyle Rayner, giving me the Love and Hate perk.

Ben 10

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He's here because of proficiency with the Omnitrix. That's all.

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#6 Edited by Mr_Ingenuity (14555 posts) - - Show Bio

@thenewbluebeetle007:

I'm Going to skip an intro and move forward with prep.

Prep

Tony Stark (Extremis)

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  • Quantum bands
  • Worldmind
  • Doom’s armor

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Worldmind info

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Stark will start by studying and enhancing his equipment. Considering Worldmind is an AI with Stark being technopath, he'll be able to merge with Worldmind on a mental level. So anything Worldmind knows Stark will know instantly. Stark's increase in intelligence & technopathy he will be able to analyze Doom's armor (something he couldn't previously do) for schematics. Using the schematics of Doom's Armor he'll dismantle it, redesign, then rebuild.

The new armor will be able to use the arc reactor, doom's energy adaptors, and quantum bands for power. Worldmind will be the armor's AI able to operate the suit without Stark & with the technopathic link Worldmind can even use the quantum bands. The armor has countermeasures for phasing, intangibility (ghost), psionics, neural disruption, & teleportation. The material needed is negligible as Stark can replace the entire frame with a construct and build the interior.

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Stark will continue by helping Zoichi and Takeo master there equipment.

Zoichi Kanoe

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  • Iron Man Armor Bleeding Edge
  • Fata Morgana + 1 Brain Bio Brain Chip + Jovian Wormhole Reactor Uplink
  • Vibranium armor and melee weapon of your choice

Zoichi's equipment set is simple Bleeding edge armor will be made of vibranium, with the fata morgana, brain chip & reactor implanted in his body. Now if OP doesn't allow for Zoichi to have vibranium iron man armor from the start, bleeding edge is nanomachines that self replicate covering all vibranium into materials for armor.

Zoichi has technopathy from his bio brain chip and fata morgana, which will allow him to link with Stark. Allowing him to receive weeks worth of training in a day by downloading Stark's experience. 1 minute to quantum computers is over 30 hrs.

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The wormhole reactor is a planetary energy source(Jupiter to be exact), and Zoichi will put that to good use. Using bleeding edge Zoichi will build more nanomachines (minus vibranium) to mimic Stark's repulsor tech & using the wormhole reactor he'll energize them with enough power to blow up a mountain range. And in three months time he'll have made 200 of them.

Wormhole reactor aids in regeneration.

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Which will allow the creation of far more nanomachines.

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While the wormhole reactor has enough energy to generate a black-hole briefly. Note the d-ripper gives Don Fua the powerset to do this not the energy.

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And repulsor tech really can adsorb that much energy.

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Takeo

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  • Zazie's Gear
  • Black Panthers gear
  • 1 Dose of Pym Particles
  • Adamantium Ammo

Takeo has the easiest gear set to learn. Black panther's gear gives teleportation, invisibility, and energy shield. Zazie's gear gives exo arms, berserker cell bullets (nanomachines), diamond mono filament wire, with an assortment of guns rpgs and grenades. Pym Particles is a one time shrink but it means he can get in or out the most dangerous places.

Worldmind can easily analyze his gear and give him tactical info on use.

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@mr_ingenuity:

Prep

Nobody on my team is evil. CW Danton Black only wanted revenge for his wife's death, while Mystique is willing to work with people if it benefits her. Carol and Rogue are always on the side of the angels, while Ben and Kyle are as well when they're not possessed. It may take a day or two for the team to work coherently, but they'll work together.

My prep is going to be pretty simple.

1. First Rogue will absorb Mystique's abilities. Since we're all bloodlusted, we'll cooperate to achieve the defeat of our enemies.

2. Rogue will absorb Multiplex's cloning abilities, then clone herself. The original Rogue will be referred to as Rogue-Prime.

3. Rogue will make four clones. One clone will turn into one alien and Rogue-Prime will absorb her power. Then Rogue-Clone will turn into a different alien, and we'll absorb that alien's power as well. Rinse and repeat for all 15 aliens.

4. Then, she'll absorb Ben's and Kyle's memories. This will give her knowledge on how to operate each individual alien to the same expertise as Ben, and how to operate the GL ring with maximum proficiency.

6. But we still have 3 months to kill. So Rogue will make 4 clones, each one working on the powers of a different alien, and some experimenting with using certain powers in conjunction with one another with help from Ben. Rogue will also learn to work with Khaji-Da the blue scarab, who will work with her because of bloodlust, and she'll learn how to use the ring with help from Kyle. Then the day before the battle, she'll absorb all the clones back together, and gain all their memories and skills on how to use the aliens.

7. Now Rogue is back to one person. Considering the Medusa Mask harnesses the emotional spectrum into empathetic powers, Kyle, the White Lantern master of the emotional spectrum, will be able to instill in this Rogue the maximum willpower a human being could possibly have. He's been practicing this for 3 months on Multiplex clones, so he'll be able to use it effectively.

8. Now Rogue will split up into as many clones as she can (4) once more, with each clone having the powers of all the different aliens.

9. Kyle, Multiplex, Mystique, Carol, Ben, and Rogue-Prime will now hide in a pocket dimension brought about by the now-expert GL Rogue. All the other Rogues will then be waiting for your team with a variety of attacks that you cannot hope to counter.

Your turn.

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#9 Edited by Mr_Ingenuity (14555 posts) - - Show Bio

@thenewbluebeetle007:

2. Rogue will absorb Multiplex's cloning abilities, then clone herself. This will in turn clone Khaji-Da, the Omnitrix, and the Green Lantern Ring as well, as none of them have shown any resistance to cloning. The original Rogue will be referred to as Rogue-Prime.

"You cannot directly make duplicates/copies/replicas of the gear your given but you can make items similar to it."

It has to be a separate item with the same ability.

If I'm using this quote out of context @sightlessreality correct me.

With that "What's the limit on summons? 4 maxium summons per character on your team. You cannot have your summons summon more summons and other broken stuff like that."

Rogue will make fifteen clones, and then each will turn into a different Omnitrix Alien. Rogue-Prime will absorb the powers of each of the different Aliens, thus gaining all of their powers.

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@thenewbluebeetle007: @mr_ingenuity He's Mr Ingenuity is correct you cannot directly make exact copies of gear in anyway. Your also breaking the 4 summon per person rule.

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@thenewbluebeetle007:

2. Rogue will absorb Multiplex's cloning abilities, then clone herself. This will in turn clone Khaji-Da, the Omnitrix, and the Green Lantern Ring as well, as none of them have shown any resistance to cloning. The original Rogue will be referred to as Rogue-Prime.

"You cannot directly make duplicates/copies/replicas of the gear your given but you can make items similar to it."

It has to be a separate item with the same ability.

If I'm using this quote out of context @sightlessreality correct me.

With that "What's the limit on summons? 4 maxium summons per character on your team. You cannot have your summons summon more summons and other broken stuff like that."

Rogue will make fifteen clones, and then each will turn into a different Omnitrix Alien. Rogue-Prime will absorb the powers of each of the different Aliens, thus gaining all of their powers.

@thenewbluebeetle007: @mr_ingenuity He's Mr Ingenuity is correct you cannot directly make exact copies of gear in anyway. Your also breaking the 4 summon per person rule.

My bad, didn't see those rules. Post is edited, plan didn't change much.

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@thenewbluebeetle007:

Opening Strategy

Tony Stark (Extremis)

Stark will start off the battle by absorbing your teams life force, & adding it to his armor/construct. Life force is soul energy, so absorbing the energy will leave someone lifeless. Worldmind has witnessed this in Annihilation and Annihilation conquest, so Stark will know how to do this. A viable counter would be a soul manipulator or resistance feats. When this tactic was tired on Adam Warlock he counter with the soul gem. I'm fairly certain Kyle would be the only one with understanding of how to counter but White Lantern feats would be banned being reality warping. Considering Stark has fast reaction time with a durable suit of energy that can tank planet busting blast your team won't have be able to stop him in time. Doubtful they can even use their powers while being soul drained.

Stark's next move will be to open a singularity to the Quantum Zone, this singularity has been shown to pull anti matter into it from inside of the sun. Since quasar can't manipulate dark matter directly that is star level gravity manipulation. While this would mean nothing to a GL, Rouge is lifeless so combating this isn't a factor.

Zoichi Kanoe

Zoichi will act as support keeping your team clear of Stark while he drains them. Using his arc reactor bombs he's shoot them at your team and detonate them. Now your team may survive the initial onslaught of these (if you can provide feats) but soul draining doesn't take long. Also your team isn't operating at full capacity in that time span. At some point your team's chances of surviving this will be non existansistant.

Takeo

Takeo will shrink down and hide inside Zoichi's armor, waiting for a opening. Any attack he has would be vaporized by Zoichi's bombs & he wouldn't risk getting caught in it directly.

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I have a question. How will Kyle, Multiplex, Mystique, Carol, Ben, and Rogue-Prime get out of the pocket dimension from the inside? As I understand it your team only has one GL ring, so using a second one isn't plausible, and Rogue doing so in combat is a risk.

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Round 1

I will now demonstrate why my 4 clones are superior to your 3 people in every possible way. The Omnitrix was extremely hax.

Since I'll be using the powers of each of the 15 aliens I have, I'll make an Intro for each alien and just a basic rundown of their powers.

Introducing..... The Aliens!!!

Warning: This post contains a LOT of gifs.

Chromastone

Chromastone has flight and excellent durability, but the main power I'll be using here is energy absorption. He's been able to absorb everything from Mana (kinda like magic) energy to fire to standard energy blasts. Just a taste of his abilities...

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Ultimate Big Chill

This guy is one of the more versatile dudes here... power include:

  • Flight
  • Super Strength
  • Intangibility
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  • Cold manipulation - writer describes Ultimate Big Chill's flames as "plasma beams that consumes all the heat of whatever they touch and use that energy to burn". Now, there's only one way you could consume all the heat, and it's called absolute zero.
  • He can also fight in any temperature

NRG and his armor

There are two important things here: First, there is NRG's energy form, and then there is the armor.

NRG's Containment Suit is fire proof and virtually indestructible, with only Taydenite being able to pierce it.

If he gets out of his containment suit, he gets an energy form so powerful that he can melt through steel by just being there, and leave a funnel cloud when he blasts something.

Way Big

As the name suggests, Way Big can alter his size up to skyscraper level. He's unaffected by nearly all forms of damage, and casually crushes planes. His strength is such that he can throw people into orbit without any strain.

This video backs up everything I just said.

Wildvine

Wildvine can control plants and regenerate from severed body parts quickly. That's really all I'm using here.

Goop

Goop is a pile of slime. That's it. He can't be defeated except by BFR or transmutation, as energy and physical attacks just separate the slime so that he can reform.

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Eye Guy

He has 360 degree vision and can fire energy blasts.

XLR8

Ah, the speedster. XLR8 is a Kineceleran. This grants him Speed-Force like powers, such as:

  • Super Speed (duh)
  • Creating tornadoes from his hands
  • Having a prehensile tail

Now, just how fast is XLR8, you ask? Well...

(I couldn't find it on youtube so I had to find an external source - skip to 8:20)

http://tune.pk/video/66685/ben-10-episode-35-ben-10-season-3-episode-9-ben-10-the-unnaturals

Here XLR8 is moving so fast, that time is standing still. There isn't any movement in the slightest around him, yet he still runs at super speed.

That's very easily lightspeed. Also in Store 23, he thought of and typed in millions of combinations in a few seconds... the point is he's many times faster than light with these feats.

Nanomech

He can fly and shrink to microscopic sizes

Atomix

Atomix is a walking nuclear reactor who can nuke you with his hands. I'll get into his powers in more detail in a later post.

GhostFreak

Second to none, Ghostfreak is the most versatile alien out of them all. His powers are as follows:

  • Possession
  • Invisibility
  • Telekinesis
  • Intangibility
  • Energy Blasts
  • Flight
  • Lack of life force

Proof will be given as requested.

Ampfibian

  • Electrokinesis
  • Limited telepathy
  • Ability to go energy form
  • Stretchiness
  • Intangibility

I've kinda gotten lazy... but if you want proof of anything I'll give you gifs or something of the sort.

Lodestar

  • Force Fields
  • Ferrokinesis (Magnet control)
  • Excellent Regeneration

Upgrade

  • Technopathy
  • Ability to "upgrade" technology

Grey Matter

  • Smartest Alien in the Ben 10 Universe

Debunking Your Original Plan / Answering Questions

Stark will start off the battle by absorbing your teams life force, & adding it to his armor/construct. Life force is soul energy, so absorbing the energy will leave someone lifeless. Worldmind has witnessed this in Annihilation and Annihilation conquest, so Stark will know how to do this. A viable counter would be a soul manipulator or resistance feats. When this tactic was tired on Adam Warlock he counter with the soul gem. I'm fairly certain Kyle would be the only one with understanding of how to counter but White Lantern feats would be banned being reality warping. Considering Stark has fast reaction time with a durable suit of energy that can tank planet busting blast your team won't have be able to stop him in time. Doubtful they can even use their powers while being soul drained.

Ghostfreak doesn't have a soul (he's a ghost), and Upgrade is a machine. By having their powers at my disposal, this plan is effectively nullified. I'm the faster one here by a long shot - unless your armor or the Quantum Bands have feats of time looking as if it's at a standstill in comparison - and each of my clones will be attacking you in a variety of ways.

One of them will notice your tech, and use Upgrade's abilities to hack it while also using Chromastone's powers to absorb your energy - doing this at speeds that you can't comprehend.

Stark's next move will be to open a singularity to the Quantum Zone, this singularity has been shown to pull anti matter into it from inside of the sun. Since quasar can't manipulate dark matter directly that is star level gravity manipulation. While this would mean nothing to a GL, Rouge is lifeless so combating this isn't a factor.

Not that you'll survive this long, but XLR8 could just run away. I also don't understand what you mean by "Rogue is lifeless".

Zoichi Kanoe

Zoichi will act as support keeping your team clear of Stark while he drains them. Using his arc reactor bombs he's shoot them at your team and detonate them. Now your team may survive the initial onslaught of these (if you can provide feats) but soul draining doesn't take long. Also your team isn't operating at full capacity in that time span. At some point your team's chances of surviving this will be non existansistant.

Draining won't really work, considering that we don't have a life force and we'd be the ones attacking you first.

Arc reactor bombs are cool, but they'd actually work against your team when Upgrade hacks into them. He integrates himself into the software, making it in a way a part of him. He'd be able to do the same to the arc reactor bombs. Or we could use Chromastone's powers to simply absorb the blast.

Why would my team not be operating at full capacity? The original team is hiding in a pocket dimension, and the four Rogues are the ones attacking you, meaning perfect chemistry as they're the same person. They all have the speed of XLR8, so reaction time won't be a problem.

Takeo

Takeo will shrink down and hide inside Zoichi's armor, waiting for a opening. Any attack he has would be vaporized by Zoichi's bombs & he wouldn't risk getting caught in it directly.

I'll cover this later.

I have a question. How will Kyle, Multiplex, Mystique, Carol, Ben, and Rogue-Prime get out of the pocket dimension from the inside? As I understand it your team only has one GL ring, so using a second one isn't plausible, and Rogue doing so in combat is a risk.

Rogue-Prime is the on with the ring. She's hiding the team, while the 4 Clones fight you.

Plan

Rogue-Clone 1

First, she'll use the powers of Goop and Nanomech to get past whatever shields you may have. Then she'll use her own life force absorption to KO you.

As mentioned before, if that doesn't work, Rogue Clone 1 will use Upgrade's and Chromastone's powers to absorb your energy and turn your tech against you. If that doesn't work, she'll use Lodestar's abilities to rip all the metal of your bodies. This leaves you as humans.

Rogue-Clone 2

RC2 will use the powers of Atomix and Ultimate Big Chill in conjunction with each other. Considering my team is invulnerable to physical and energy damage thanks to the powers of Goop, we can just spam nuclear explosions and absolute zero blasts on your team. I doubt they could survive either one TBH.

Rogue-Clone 3

RC3 as Way Big will punch you really really hard. If you can somehow survive the rapid onslaught of the first two, you certainly won't be unscathed, and even if you were Way Big's punches could shatter whatever forcefield you have, considering he was able to throw Vilgax into orbit. He'll also blast you with AmpFibian's electric blasts.

Rogue-Clone 4

Now if all the above three fail for some unprecedented reason, RC4 will be there using the energy form of NRG to disintegrate your bodies. Unless you prove you can harm an energy being, he's going to incinerate you by simply flying through you, as he was able to melt rock in the same manner.

Meanwhile, the real threat, Rogue-Prime, will be safe in the pocket dimension. With access to both the GL Ring (amped to maximum willpower by the Medusa Mask) and Khaji-Da the Blue Scarab, she'll be waiting if you manage to defeat the clones. She can use her ring to see in the real world, and take notes on your powers.

@mr_ingenuity: there ya go :P

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@thenewbluebeetle007:

Debunking

Not sure how this word applies here.

Ghostfreak doesn't have a soul (he's a ghost), and Upgrade is a machine. By having their powers at my disposal, this plan is effectively nullified. I'm the faster one here by a long shot - unless your armor or the Quantum Bands have feats of time looking as if it's at a standstill in comparison - and each of my clones will be attacking you in a variety of ways.

Being a ghost doesn't change anything. Being incorporeal still makes Ghostfreak energy which can be absorbed, unless you can prove Ghostfreak incorporeal form is dark matter. Also Quantum Bands can scan for all types of energy signatures.

Quantum Bands scans for Living Lasers specific energy signature to absorb him.

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Stark has combined the Quantum Bands with Doom’s armor, which has absorbed Nightmare a reality warping Fear lord. Nightmare doesn't have life force :P, so long as your team uses some type of energy Stark can drain it.

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Considering you're are using only Ghostfreak and Upgrade as counters seems to me you're playing this bothways. Rogue clones and aliens would have lifeforce.

One of them will notice your tech, and use Upgrade's abilities to hack it while also using Chromastone's powers to absorb your energy - doing this at speeds that you can't comprehend.

There isn't any plausible way your team can hack Stark, Worldmind, and Fata Morgana technopathy combined. Worldmind alone out classes your team in technopathy.

When the Ultron upgraded Phalanx infected Nova, worldmind stopped them from corrupting himself. It should be noted that the Phalanx had taken over tech of the entire Kree empire that spanned solar systems.

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Chromastone is doing much if anything. The Quantum Bands power comes from the quantum zone which is all the potential energy in the universe. Draining the Bands would require universal energy manipulation or cutting it off from the rest of the universe. Neither are are available to your team. So long as Stark has power he can continually amp & reform his construct.

I doubt Chromastone could manipulate quantum energy, Monica Rambeau or Silver Surfer couldn't.

Zoichi is backed by energy that can create a black hole in its entirety.

So Chromastone is fodder compared to my team.

Before I move on I'll address the speed argument that doesn't stand up to your claims.

Here XLR8 is moving so fast, that time is standing still. There isn't any movement in the slightest around him, yet he still runs at super speed.

That's very easily lightspeed. Also in Store 23, he thought of and typed in millions of combinations in a few seconds... the point is he's many times faster than light with these feats.

The episode you used a proof of FTL speed isn't any where near hypersonic speed.

My proof XLR8 was recorded by Gwen and seen clearly on slowmo without a high speed camera. That's supersonic speed at best, movie quicksilver has that level of speed. Here is the scene if anyone is interested.

IIRC XLR8 can't fully control his speed on ice which is also supersonic speed.

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Also typing in codes for the password isn't a quantifiable feat, or is it impressive. New 52 kid Flash pre upgrade, Quicksilver in x-men evolution has done the same & even stark runs calculations faster than any supercomputer.

Overall Stark, Zoichi and Takeo have hypersonic combat speed.

Stark’s has millisecond perception, watched a point blank exposition stand still (while assembling his armor bringing it form the next room), and operate his armor moving at mach 5 without being in it.

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Zoichi has the Fata Morgana which experiences a minute as 30+ hrs & bleeding edge armor gives him Ironman’s speed (high hypersonic).

Takeo can run from one side of a city, and across the ocean to reach an island miles away. This is hypersonic at base stats, not that he needs it being that small.

The first scan shows Takeo in the city. Second scan shows how far the island is away from the city/peninsula. Third scan shows how to get there which is running. The last shows Takeo arriving.

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From the looks of it your speed is out of context feats and my team could very well speedblitz your team.

Not that you'll survive this long, but XLR8 could just run away. I also don't understand what you mean by "Rogue is lifeless".

That’s your answer “run away”. Now answer this question, run where? I stated star level gravity? You do realize that is a planet, a star level force would crush a planet into dust. But this planet is indestructible so no harm is done & my team has the Quantum Bands on their side. Rouge Prime is hiding with your team’s most powerful weapon, so there isn't any hope for you clones.

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Rogue clones have absorb every aliens physiology, and form what I can tell some of those need energy to function. Rogue could die from being drained, at very least would depowered unable to use energy attacks.

Arc reactor bombs are cool, but they'd actually work against your team when Upgrade hacks into them. He integrates himself into the software, making it in a way a part of him. He'd be able to do the same to the arc reactor bombs. Or we could use Chromastone's powers to simply absorb the blast.

I already covered why your team can’t hack mine given their technopathic link & becoming part of my team’s tech give them control over your team. Unless you can show Chromastone absorbing island level bombs (not a city busting nuke), there isn’t any way for your team to counter the reactor bombs.

Why would my team not be operating at full capacity? The original team is hiding in a pocket dimension, and the four Rogues are the ones attacking you, meaning perfect chemistry as they're the same person. They all have the speed of XLR8, so reaction time won't be a problem.

Stark is draining your team as you stated “each clone having the powers of all the different aliens.” Allowing Stark to drain all their power in one go, depowering your team of everything but stats. I mean you really don't expect stark to say they don't have life force I guess nothing works.

Rogue-Prime is the one with the ring. She's hiding the team, while the 4 Clones fight you.

Could you show me “Kyle” creating a pocket dimension for himself? Because I’m skeptical of this. I know lanterns can store things in a pocket dimension but Rogues understanding of this come from Kyle meaning he has to perform the feat. Making sure no context is missing.

Plan

Rogue-Clone 1

First, she'll use the powers of Goop and Nanomech to get past whatever shields you may have. Then she'll use her own life force absorption to KO you.

As mentioned before, if that doesn't work, Rogue Clone 1 will use Upgrade's and Chromastone's powers to absorb your energy and turn your tech against you. If that doesn't work, she'll use Lodestar's abilities to rip all the metal of your bodies. This leaves you as humans.

None of this is accurate the first two have been addressed. Lodestar powers is countered by doom’s armor, and Quantum Bands. Bleeding edge is carbon nanotubes and shields counteract the rest. Takeo is microscopic size & protected by bleeding edge armor.

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RC2 will use the powers of Atomix and Ultimate Big Chill in conjunction with each other. Considering my team is invulnerable to physical and energy damage thanks to the powers of Goop, we can just spam nuclear explosions and absolute zero blasts on your team. I doubt they could survive either one TBH.

Nukes seriously? Bleeding edge shields have taken Ultron's blast and weaker armor has taken three nuclear meltdowns with 2% shields (FYI Bleeding Edge is the upgrade to Extremis armor). While Quantum Bands take blast from Silver Surfer and the sun going nova.

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Ultimate Bigchill doesn't freeze at absolute zero Heatblast broke free my team can do infinitely better. The Quantum Bands alone can manipulate and absorb a star light years away. Your intro is a biased assumption with no feats.

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Rogue-Clone 3

RC3 as Way Big will punch you really really hard. If you can somehow survive the rapid onslaught of the first two, you certainly won't be unscathed, and even if you were Way Big's punches could shatter whatever forcefield you have, considering he was able to throw Vilgax into orbit. He'll also blast you with AmpFibian's electric blasts.

Excuse me when I state, this sound more desperate as I go on. Bleeding age takes punches from hulk & thor. Hulk alone has thrown FIng Fang Foom to the moon a base without anger increasing his strength. Quantum bands shields tank multiple heros without a crack.

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Chromastone, nukes and now electricity. ◔_◔ After listing/showing all these feats does this deserve a full response, honestly not.

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Now if all the above three fail for some unprecedented reason, RC4 will be there using the energy form of NRG to disintegrate your bodies. Unless you prove you can harm an energy being, he's going to incinerate you by simply flying through you, as he was able to melt rock in the same manner.

All three have failed, and this won't work either. Wat do?

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Heat won't do anything to my team and Zoichi and Stark can absorb energy beings. Which includes NRG.

Meanwhile, the real threat, Rogue-Prime, will be safe in the pocket dimension. With access to both the GL Ring (amped to maximum willpower by the Medusa Mask) and Khaji-Da the Blue Scarab, she'll be waiting if you manage to defeat the clones. She can use her ring to see in the real world, and take notes on your powers.

Going to need feats or this pocket dimension.

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#16 Posted by TheNewBlueBeetle007 (4758 posts) - - Show Bio

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Chromastone is doing much if anything. The Quantum Bands power comes from the quantum zone which is all the potential energy in the universe. Draining the Bands would require universal energy manipulation or cutting it off from the rest of the universe. Neither are are available to your team. So long as Stark has power he can continually amp & reform his construct.

I doubt Chromastone could manipulate quantum energy, Monica Rambeau or Silver Surfer couldn't.

Chromastone has absorbed a lot of different types of energy before... Mana energy, energy blasts etc... why wouldn't he be able to manipulate Quantum? Surfer is one of the most inconsistent characters in comics... losing to Thor one day and standing up to Big G the next... feats against him are sort of inapplicable.

I'm not familiar with Monica's energy absorption feats, care to enlighten me?

Zoichi is backed by energy that can create a black hole in its entirety.

Cool, a black hole. Means nothing when your team dies before you can do anything.

Before I move on I'll address the speed argument that doesn't stand up to your claims.

Here XLR8 is moving so fast, that time is standing still. There isn't any movement in the slightest around him, yet he still runs at super speed.

That's very easily lightspeed. Also in Store 23, he thought of and typed in millions of combinations in a few seconds... the point is he's many times faster than light with these feats.

The episode you used a proof of FTL speed isn't any where near hypersonic speed.

My proof XLR8 was recorded by Gwen and seen clearly on slowmo without a high speed camera. That's supersonic speed at best, movie quicksilver has that level of speed. Here is the scene if anyone is interested.

IIRC XLR8 can't fully control his speed on ice which is also supersonic speed.

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Also typing in codes for the password isn't a quantifiable feat, or is it impressive. New 52 kid Flash pre upgrade, Quicksilver in x-men evolution has done the same & even stark runs calculations faster than any supercomputer.

Overall Stark, Zoichi and Takeo have hypersonic combat speed.

Stark’s has millisecond perception, watched a point blank exposition stand still (while assembling his armor bringing it form the next room), and operate his armor moving at mach 5 without being in it.

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Zoichi has the Fata Morgana which experiences a minute as 30+ hrs & bleeding edge armor gives him Ironman’s speed (high hypersonic).

Going to need feats on this. Is it just time perception, or actual speed as well?

Takeo can run from one side of a city, and across the ocean to reach an island miles away. This is hypersonic at base stats, not that he needs it being that small.

The first scan shows Takeo in the city. Second scan shows how far the island is away from the city/peninsula. Third scan shows how to get there which is running. The last shows Takeo arriving.

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From the looks of it your speed is out of context feats and my team could very well speedblitz your team.

lol... lowballing, really? speed feat isn't out of context at all... watch the episode if you want... Your silly lowballing isn't going to work here. XLR8 in the scan moved so fast that time was still. He went much faster than the human eye could perceive (from the stands to first base and back without anyone seeing), and when time was "stopped," he was still moving as a blur. It takes milliseconds for a human eye to process something (just like it did with Stark), yet none of the people could even comprehend what was going on and in fact looked like they were still while XLR8 was a blur...

Ben doesn't go all out because of PIS and because he could hurt someone by accident. He also likes going to Mr. Smoothie and playing video games instead of training... which is why he hasn't mastered XLR8 to the fullest extent. Rogue will have all of Ben's knowledge on how to use him, then she'll also have 3 months dedicated to mastering his powers. She'll be in prime form here.

Not that you'll survive this long, but XLR8 could just run away. I also don't understand what you mean by "Rogue is lifeless".

That’s your answer “run away”. Now answer this question, run where? I stated star level gravity? You do realize that is a planet, a star level force would crush a planet into dust. But this planet is indestructible so no harm is done & my team has the Quantum Bands on their side. Rouge Prime is hiding with your team’s most powerful weapon, so there isn't any hope for you clones.

Rogue clones have absorb every aliens physiology, and form what I can tell some of those need energy to function. Rogue could die from being drained, at very least would depowered unable to use energy attacks.

Only 1/4 of my strategy is energy attacks... also Rogue is literally known for draining power and life force... what's to say she won't do the same to your team?

Arc reactor bombs are cool, but they'd actually work against your team when Upgrade hacks into them. He integrates himself into the software, making it in a way a part of him. He'd be able to do the same to the arc reactor bombs. Or we could use Chromastone's powers to simply absorb the blast.

I already covered why your team can’t hack mine given their technopathic link & becoming part of my team’s tech give them control over your team. Unless you can show Chromastone absorbing island level bombs (not a city busting nuke), there isn’t any way for your team to counter the reactor bombs.

There is actually. It's called being immune to physical and energy damage thanks to Goop and being 2Fast4U anyway

Why would my team not be operating at full capacity? The original team is hiding in a pocket dimension, and the four Rogues are the ones attacking you, meaning perfect chemistry as they're the same person. They all have the speed of XLR8, so reaction time won't be a problem.

Stark is draining your team as you stated “each clone having the powers of all the different aliens.” Allowing Stark to drain all their power in one go, depowering your team of everything but stats. I mean you really don't expect stark to say they don't have life force I guess nothing works.

Say wha... even if Stark could drain that much energy (which he has no feats of... it's foolish to assume he and Worldmind will click instantly considering its occasional hostility towards Nova and he also has no feats with the quantum bands).... what would he do about Rogue-Clone 1? The microscopic one. BUt all this will be covered later.

Rogue-Prime is the one with the ring. She's hiding the team, while the 4 Clones fight you.

Could you show me “Kyle” creating a pocket dimension for himself? Because I’m skeptical of this. I know lanterns can store things in a pocket dimension but Rogues understanding of this come from Kyle meaning he has to perform the feat. Making sure no context is missing.

I think against Nero Kyle was able to access another dimension.

Plan

Rogue-Clone 1

First, she'll use the powers of Goop and Nanomech to get past whatever shields you may have. Then she'll use her own life force absorption to KO you.

As mentioned before, if that doesn't work, Rogue Clone 1 will use Upgrade's and Chromastone's powers to absorb your energy and turn your tech against you. If that doesn't work, she'll use Lodestar's abilities to rip all the metal of your bodies. This leaves you as humans.

None of this is accurate the first two have been addressed. Lodestar powers is countered by doom’s armor, and Quantum Bands. Bleeding edge is carbon nanotubes and shields counteract the rest. Takeo is microscopic size & protected by bleeding edge armor.

The first one actually hasn't been addressed at all

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Rogue-Clone 2

RC2 will use the powers of Atomix and Ultimate Big Chill in conjunction with each other. Considering my team is invulnerable to physical and energy damage thanks to the powers of Goop, we can just spam nuclear explosions and absolute zero blasts on your team. I doubt they could survive either one TBH.

Nukes seriously? Bleeding edge shields have taken Ultron's blast and weaker armor has taken three nuclear meltdowns with 2% shields (FYI Bleeding Edge is the upgrade to Extremis armor). While Quantum Bands take blast from Silver Surfer and the sun going nova.

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Ultimate Bigchill doesn't freeze at absolute zero Heatblast broke free my team can do infinitely better. The Quantum Bands alone can manipulate and absorb a star light years away. Your intro is a biased assumption with no feats.

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Ultimate Big Chill is always limiited by the plot, and Ben's unwillingness to go all out. The description the writer gave, which I mentioned in my first post, fits the description of absolute zero.

And lol, isn't this whole match kind of a biased assumption because nobody has feats with their gear? You're trying to paint me as incompetent, but you're failing miserably.

Rogue-Clone 3

RC3 as Way Big will punch you really really hard. If you can somehow survive the rapid onslaught of the first two, you certainly won't be unscathed, and even if you were Way Big's punches could shatter whatever forcefield you have, considering he was able to throw Vilgax into orbit. He'll also blast you with AmpFibian's electric blasts.

Excuse me when I state, this sound more desperate as I go on. Bleeding age takes punches from hulk & thor. Hulk alone has thrown FIng Fang Foom to the moon a base without anger increasing his strength. Quantum bands shields tank multiple heros without a crack.

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Chromastone, nukes and now electricity. ◔_◔ After listing/showing all these feats does this deserve a full response, honestly not.

Who's desperate? I have 15 different aliens at my disposal, a GL Ring, a Scarab, and a Medusa Mask... I have plenty more :)

Again, you're assuming Stark will be as proficient as Quasar when that may not be the case. In fact, you say my powers are baseless assumption, but everything I say is backed up by facts while you're just showing feats of Quasar and Doom in hopes that Stark will be as skilled.

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Now if all the above three fail for some unprecedented reason, RC4 will be there using the energy form of NRG to disintegrate your bodies. Unless you prove you can harm an energy being, he's going to incinerate you by simply flying through you, as he was able to melt rock in the same manner.

All three have failed, and this won't work either. Wat do?

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Heat won't do anything to my team and Zoichi and Stark can absorb energy beings. Which includes NRG.

Okay there I see the Quantum Bands (once again not proficient as Quasar), and Iron Man's armor... well NRG has intangibility which means he can just phase through the armor at speeds that made people seem like they were standing still. Thus melting your human forms still stands.

Meanwhile, the real threat, Rogue-Prime, will be safe in the pocket dimension. With access to both the GL Ring (amped to maximum willpower by the Medusa Mask) and Khaji-Da the Blue Scarab, she'll be waiting if you manage to defeat the clones. She can use her ring to see in the real world, and take notes on your powers.

Going to need feats or this pocket dimension.

Check out Kyle's battles against Nero, I'm pretty sure it was mentioned there.

Rogue-Clone 1

You've failed to show that you have a defense for me getting past your shields with microscopic size and intangibility as well as Goop's invulnerability, meaning we can breach your shields.

And when we breach your shields, RC1 uses her life force absorption to KO you.

Energy Absorption

Your entire plan revolves around energy abbsorption. However, this is reliant on the fact that there is an energy source to drain from. You're probably relying on Atomix here, but once the clone realizes she's being drained, she'll simply go into Goop form and you can't drain slime. We, on the other hand, can simply KO you using Life Force Absorption

Meanwhile the rest of my team is in a pocket dimension safe and sound and watching your team for knowledge. You've failed to show you can affect them at all.

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#17 Edited by Mr_Ingenuity (14555 posts) - - Show Bio

@thenewbluebeetle007:

Chromastone has absorbed a lot of different types of energy before... Mana energy, energy blasts etc... why wouldn't he be able to manipulate Quantum? Surfer is one of the most inconsistent characters in comics... losing to Thor one day and standing up to Big G the next... feats against him are sort of inapplicable.

I'm not familiar with Monica's energy absorption feats, care to enlighten me?

What makes you the authority on what applies? You haven’t shown any feats for Chromastones. So why would Chromastone be able to do it when many other energy manipulators have failed?

If calling inconsistent and PIS will be your argument, I'll show a feat that you can't dispute.

Quasar trapped Binary in a bubble and left her there. Just so you know how powerful she was at the time, Binary manipulated the entire sun.

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Cool, a black hole. Means nothing when your team dies before you can do anything.

You think those fodder can fodderize my team. I was questioning your thought process when you made this claim “All the other Rogues will then be waiting for your team with a variety of attacks that you cannot hope to counter.” But now I realize you’re not thinking any of this through.

Going to need feats on this. Is it just time perception, or actual speed as well?

Stark gets his speed form the suit he can think that fast but not move at those speeds. Such as operating the suit at Mach five without being in it. Although that doesn’t change anything here, because Stark has a superior suit to any he has ever built in this. Meaning his speed is perfectly applicable here.

lol... lowballing, really? speed feat isn't out of context at all... watch the episode if you want... Your silly lowballing isn't going to work here. XLR8 in the scan moved so fast that time was still. He went much faster than the human eye could perceive (from the stands to first base and back without anyone seeing), and when time was "stopped," he was still moving as a blur. It takes milliseconds for a human eye to process something (just like it did with Stark), yet none of the people could even comprehend what was going on and in fact looked like they were still while XLR8 was a blur...

Lowballing is a big accusation in a debate. There is only one way to settle that, more feats within the context of the episode.

Truthfully I don't understand the accusation, showing further evidence from the episode that contradicts your FTL claim ends with me lowballing. If that’s the case most of your argument is lowballing, you've made it clear you think fodder clones will defeat my team.

Moving on away from a ridiculous claim to an inaccurate one. Human reaction speed ranges in the triple digits when measured in milliseconds(depending on the stimuli). While Stark is plotting out his next move at .002 seconds making it combat speed. So no people watching baseball can't be compared to Extremis enhanced Stark. On second thought I retract my previous statement, this is ridiculous.

Ben doesn't go all out because of PIS and because he could hurt someone by accident. He also likes going to Mr. Smoothie and playing video games instead of training... which is why he hasn't mastered XLR8 to the fullest extent. Rogue will have all of Ben's knowledge on how to use him, then she'll also have 3 months dedicated to mastering his powers. She'll be in prime form here.

This seem like a recurring argument. Doesn't matter how long Rouge trains with the Aliens or in what minds set. Rouges skills with the Aliens are copied meaning she will do no better than Ben. Your prep didn't give any reason why Rouge would be better at using aliens than Ben “But we still have 3 months to kill. So Rogue will make 4 clones, each one working on the powers of a different alien, and some experimenting with using certain powers in conjunction with one another with help from Ben.“ This is how far Rouges training went in your statements.

Only 1/4 of my strategy is energy attacks... also Rogue is literally known for draining power and life force... what's to say she won't do the same to your team?

If that’s right, then me debating anything but your strategy is becoming more irrelevant. You make no mention of using XLR8 in your strategy (I checked) So I guess you concede the speed debate since Rouge clones isn’t using XLR8.

There is actually. It's called being immune to physical and energy damage thanks to Goop and being 2Fast4U anyway

Goop isn’t invulnerable to being destroyed at the atomic level, which those arc reactor bombs will most certainly do. If you didn't know the arc reactor burns at 10,073 kelvin using only 73% of it output a bomb would use the full 100%. I probably should made that more clear in Takeo’s strategy “Any attack he has would be vaporized by Zoichi's bombs & he wouldn't risk getting caught in it directly.”

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With that Goop would be BFR to the Quantum Zone via singularity.

XLR8 is slower than my entire team in combat speed, and I will continue to state this until you show feats. XLR8 can’t out run a singularity with star level gravity. XLR8 isn’t mentioned in your “Plan”.

Say wha... even if Stark could drain that much energy (which he has no feats of... it's foolish to assume he and Worldmind will click instantly considering its occasional hostility towards Nova and he also has no feats with the quantum bands).... what would he do about Rogue-Clone 1? The microscopic one. BUt all this will be covered later.

No that’s your quote and form the looks of it you’ve back away from it. Considering it no longer suits you.

The clone wouldn't get past Stark’s shields. To by pass Doom’s shields he would need to shrink to the atomic level(Sue shrunk her forcefield to get past doom's shields), microscopic is far to big. Also quantum bands make shields with photons. Not to mention Worldmind/Stark would know she’s there.

Worldmind scanned an entire planet for life even microscopes, Stark would have him running full scans.

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FYI not going to address your statements regarding worldmind, until you make complete statements.

I think against Nero Kyle was able to access another dimension.

Volume issue number?

The first one actually hasn't been addressed at all

Actually ignored/forgot about Goop and nanomech in my original reply. So that statement was towards upgrade and chromastone (which I assume you have conceded are useless) . But I did address them this time around.

For clarity Nanomech & Goop would get blasted and swept away by the singularity.

For defence bleeding edge is nanomachines and considering Stark’s standard bodily nanomachines nearly killed Ares, I would state with enhanced armor nanomachines the circumstances are the same. Already addressed why getting to Stark won’t work above.

Ultimate Big Chill is always limiited by the plot, and Ben's unwillingness to go all out. The description the writer gave, which I mentioned in my first post, fits the description of absolute zero.

Actually a quick google search would show you it doesn’t.

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Ben has used Ult. Big Chill to crowd control his fans and the Sentient Ult. Big Chill’s ice was melted by Ben using Heatblast. None of that notes absolute zero. While in composition Iceman has frozen Thor momentarily, and a fusion reactor.

And lol, isn't this whole match kind of a biased assumption because nobody has feats with their gear? You're trying to paint me as incompetent, but you're failing miserably

Not sure, I can certainly show my team performing similar feats. But in the context of my statement you mistakenly claimed a feat never performed/shown in canon based on a description.

If I wanted to paint you as incompetent I would state you’re sending fodder to fight my team & would be correct.

Who's desperate? I have 15 different aliens at my disposal, a GL Ring, a Scarab, and a Medusa Mask... I have plenty more :)

Not sure yet if you're legitimately desperate, but the clones aren't a threat and your strategy is prolonging the debate. :\

Okay there I see the Quantum Bands (once again not proficient as Quasar), and Iron Man's armor... well NRG has intangibility which means he can just phase through the armor at speeds that made people seem like they were standing still. Thus melting your human forms still stands.

NRG can't get past the armors shields because he's energy. Not only that Bleeding edge counteracts phasing by using energy.

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Also going inside Zochi's body would suck him into the wormhole reactor.

Again, you're assuming Stark will be as proficient as Quasar when that may not be the case. In fact, you say my powers are baseless assumption, but everything I say is backed up by facts while you're just showing feats of Quasar and Doom in hopes that Stark will be as skilled.

This is the first I'm hearing of this.

Let me set the record straight. I have a cosmic A.I. on my side with files on every potential threat during Annihilation event(Nova Corps Files). Just so you know Worldmind knows exactly what Quasar can do, read the file Wordmind has on him. Considering Worldmind who controls the Nova Force has accomplished similar feats everything I'm stating can be replicated.

Quasars file.

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Quasar has made shields than can survive solar system busting power, The Nova Force has done so to.

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Quasar can manipulate the energy of a star, Nova Force has done so with a star's gravity.

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Considering I've combined Worldmind’s understanding of cosmic forces (power cosmic, quantum, and kree science) with Stark’s understanding of energy and their technopathy. They will pull off all these feats.

Stark has Channeled Thor’s lightning after quick calibrations & built a machine to weaponize the Sun.

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You've failed to show that you have a defense for me getting past your shields with microscopic size and intangibility as well as Goop's invulnerability, meaning we can breach your shields.

First Intangibility wasn't mentioned for the first clone so that’s out. Although Stark and Doom have built in counter measures. Goop is disintegrated and in the quantum zone (over kill). Meaning your fodder Clones can't breach my team’s defenses.

And when we breach your shields, RC1 uses her life force absorption to KO you.

Can't get past the defences, and Zoichi is a synthetic human (no life force). :P

Energy Absorption

Your entire plan revolves around energy abbsorption. However, this is reliant on the fact that there is an energy source to drain from. You're probably relying on Atomix here, but once the clone realizes she's being drained, she'll simply go into Goop form and you can't drain slime. We, on the other hand, can simply KO you using Life Force Absorption

Meanwhile the rest of my team is in a pocket dimension safe and sound and watching your team for knowledge. You've failed to show you can affect them at all.

No matter what energy is or isn't present on the battlefield I have singularity swallowing up your team. Also any of Rogue alien forms will get vaporized by arc reactor bombs. My team can detonate arc reactor bombs on themselves with no ill effect. There isn't any win using fodder.

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#18 Posted by TheNewBlueBeetle007 (4758 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr_ingenuity: wow, never got the tag. Will have my response up soon.

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#19 Edited by TheNewBlueBeetle007 (4758 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr_ingenuity: I made a post, but it got eaten and I don't really feel like typing it up again. Not sure I could have won anyway, and your use of invectives made this unenjoyable.

Good luck in the next round.

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#20 Posted by SightlessReality (4979 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr_ingenuity: @thenewbluebeetle007: Just making double sure that your resigning Beetle. Voting won't be going up till Next Monday at the soonest. So there's still time to debate.

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#21 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (14555 posts) - - Show Bio

@thenewbluebeetle007: I understand you didn't like the negativity in my statements. But the negativity wasn't misplaced it was directed at your statements. Didn't intend to make this an uncomfortable debate. I tried to make it clear the use of clones made the debate circle. Which is also no fun.

I'll go about it differently if we're ever debating.

@sightlessreality It's alright to call it I mishandle it.

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#22 Edited by TheNewBlueBeetle007 (4758 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr_ingenuity: @thenewbluebeetle007: Just making double sure that your resigning Beetle. Voting won't be going up till Next Monday at the soonest. So there's still time to debate.

A week? I kinda already forfeited and it would look bad in the eyes of the voters. Not to mention I'd have to remodel my strategy considering I overestimated the capabilities of the aliens.

@mr_ingenuity said:

@thenewbluebeetle007: I understand you didn't like the negativity in my statements. But the negativity wasn't misplaced it was directed at your statements. Didn't intend to make this an uncomfortable debate. I tried to make it clear the use of clones made the debate circle. Which is also no fun.

I'll go about it differently if we're ever debating.

@sightlessreality It's alright to call it I mishandle it.

Okay... just be a bit more careful next time

If I wanted to paint you as incompetent I would state you’re sending fodder to fight my team & would be correct.

You think those fodder can fodderize my team. I was questioning your thought process when you made this claim “All the other Rogues will then be waiting for your team with a variety of attacks that you cannot hope to counter.” But now I realize you’re not thinking any of this through.

At least you didn't mean it. There are some people who blatantly trash their opponents

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#23 Edited by SightlessReality (4979 posts) - - Show Bio

@thenewbluebeetle007: Alright then, but remember.............the voters wouldn't have to see those post if they were deleted so that actually wouldn't be problem.

I'm glad that the both of you were able to get around the negativity :)